NUPE wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Haven't we seen this before? DWill goes down for extended periods, BrokePez is out (again), what are you going to be watching at the Barclays? Gerald Wallace? Joe Johnson? If the teams were switched, this forum would be worse than a suicide psychological counseling hotline.

The Nets have a good squad. It's just a question as to whether they gel and stay healthy.

It's odd to me that the same people hyping the Nets are the same ones that bash the Knicks. These are the same people crying about Melo / Amar'e being overpaid but seem to have no issue with the Nets absorbing Joe J's contract and/or the Lopez contract. These are the same people that bash Amar'e and Melo for having "bad seasons" last year but never raise the fact that Deron also had a horrendous season last year. These are just terrible posters.

I think both teams will be competitive (Nets and Knicks) and time will tell regarding which team is better. Not much can be properly judged based on pre-season.

Nupe, we talking about maybe 2-3 posters who bash Amare/Melo. Nobody is really hyping the Nets. Media hype is plentiful for sure. I think some are just trying to be objective and consider our division has the potential to be very though. Philly got potentially better, Boston is potentially better, I think the Nets are much better, and Toronto is not awful.

I think if any team loses two starters it will struggle. We lose Tyson and Amare we got some problems also. All teams need chemistry to succeed. None more than ours!

JJ's and BroPez's contract are not on court issues. If BroPez can add two rebounds a game and a block to his scoring average he is an allstar. He played 287 games before he broke his foot. Its not like he has history other than his foot.

NUPE wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Haven't we seen this before? DWill goes down for extended periods, BrokePez is out (again), what are you going to be watching at the Barclays? Gerald Wallace? Joe Johnson? If the teams were switched, this forum would be worse than a suicide psychological counseling hotline.

The Nets have a good squad. It's just a question as to whether they gel and stay healthy.

It's odd to me that the same people hyping the Nets are the same ones that bash the Knicks. These are the same people crying about Melo / Amar'e being overpaid but seem to have no issue with the Nets absorbing Joe J's contract and/or the Lopez contract. These are the same people that bash Amar'e and Melo for having "bad seasons" last year but never raise the fact that Deron also had a horrendous season last year. These are just terrible posters.

I think both teams will be competitive (Nets and Knicks) and time will tell regarding which team is better. Not much can be properly judged based on pre-season.

nupe, watching the nets, it seem as if johnson and williams have been playing together for years.. somewhat seamless transition... yea it is preseason, but I see them being on the same page somewhat... no one is hyping the nets, but I will say I like their situation(as I do so many other teams) over ours... It is interesting to see the development of Blatche(who is a bone head but very talented) to see if he "gets it"... then you have marshawn brooks and brook lopez who still have a ways to go.. it makes for fun ball to watch... how these guys will progress.... we just don't have that bro... it seems as if our ceiling is already fixed, and it doesn't seem to be a championship ceiling, but that is another discussion..

These are the same people that bash Amar'e and Melo for having "bad seasons" last year but never raise the fact that Deron also had a horrendous season last year. These are just terrible posters.

well I for one am not bashing amare as he is my favorite knick.. I think he had a rough year physically, the death of his brother, etc.. He is the best player on the team IMO.. my problem with melo is melo.. did you see his last interview.. this guy keeps referring to this team as "my team"... "i'm the leader'.. "if falls on my shoulders".. this guy is disrespectfull and self absorbed and honestly, did nothing to come walking in here calling himself the leader.. if I were chandler and amare I would mop this clown up in the locker room...

no one is bashing amare really, the venom from me, is how this team seems to be taking on the stinky filthy air that is dolan, isiah and melo.. I don't like it bro...

as far as deron williams go he didn't shoot the ball well last year and the nets were decimated on top of the fact that they were just not good.. but the guy did average 21/9.. how in the world is that horrendous is beyond me bro... you are taking that to the extreme to again, try to protect carmelo and it is sad.. don't worry about throwing amare in there, I know you could care less if amare is bashed... but you throw him in to make it seem as if you are not just worrying about melo.. I can see right through this bro...

gunsnewing wrote:Joe Johnson is a very underrated passer

Joe Johnson is one of the most intellectually lazy pro athletes on the face of the earth. He is a slow thinker. In Atlanta, his interviews rarely consisted of more than a few awkward sentences. With all his resources, it would seem that he would take advantage of his position and better his vocabulary or involvement asa spokesperson fro something of value. No. He stayed in the shadows. The Hawks were one of the most disjointed assmblage of talent because they either refused to... or could not communicate. It was a minor miracle that Mike Woodson took them as far as he did.

Let's hear how Joe answers the aggressive New York media before you crown his passing skills.

misterearl wrote:Why Are We Talking About Joe Johnson?

gunsnewing wrote:Joe Johnson is a very underrated passer

Joe Johnson is one of the most intellectually lazy pro athletes on the face of the earth. He is a slow thinker. In Atlanta, his interviews rarely consisted of more than a few awkward sentences. With all his resources, it would seem that he would take advantage of his position and better his vocabulary or involvement asa spokesperson fro something of value. No. He stayed in the shadows. The Hawks were one of the most disjointed assmblage of talent because they either refused to... or could not communicate. It was a minor miracle that Mike Woodson took them as far as he did.

Let's hear how Joe answers the aggressive New York media before you crown his passing skills.

Ok, so lets leave Joe home for the debate club and the travel Spelling Bee team!

tkf - we have the top two (intellectually lazy people) on our roster.. both denver castoffs..

Really?

".... Carmelo excels off the court in his efforts to improve communities and positively impact the way of life for disadvantaged children and families through his philanthropic efforts. The Giving Back Fund is the premier philanthropic resource for the sports and entertainment communities. In 2006, the organization named Carmelo eighth on a list of 30 celebrity philanthropists in America in their “The Giving Back 30” report. He was the only basketball player on this list, and was joined in the top tier by celebrities such as Oprah Winfrey and Tiger Woods. Carmelo was recognized for making charitable donations in excess of $4 million for projects in his hometown of Baltimore, Maryland and Syracuse, New York."

You were saying?

ChuckBuck wrote:Hey TKF, don't judge a book by it's cover. You may dislike Melo all you want on the court, for his style of play, whatever, but recognize that he's not a complete douchebag off the court.

What a classic picture. Jared Jeffries! I miss him...

jrodmc wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:As some one who didn't want him to leave but, isn't pissed that we lost him I find this thread really illuminating. Illuminating in the way that some folks think you can project a guys season based on 2preseason game.
I also think its funny that guys are also saying he took the league by surprise and things will be different. I'd be ok with that statement if he'd only played in a few games. The fact is he played long enough for the scouting reports to come out and we saw a difference once it did. For a game or two his stats took a dip but, he and adjusted. I can't say I was totally pleased with the adjustment because his assists took a dip since he began to focus more on scoring the ball which, he did well.
I was expecting Woody to work on blending his scoring into his offense along with learning to do a better job of getting Melo and Stat involved in the offense. That to me was his biggest weakness. Sure he was able to connect with Novak (reports our out that JR assisted on most of them) and Chandler who has a talent for rolling to the basket but, seemed unable to really mesh with Melo or Amare. His pick n roll could be much better for a guard in New York as well as being able to benefit Amare.
All I all I saw him as a YOUNG point guard with potential. Young point guard will have ups and downs and the learning curve is steeper for them but, I feel he can be a solid guard in this league.

Totally true man, all these guys bashing Lin so early are not paying close attention to the actual NBA game. Their love for the Knicks have blind them completely, that if tomorrow the Knicks trade Shumpert (plus picks as usual) for Ray Allen, a lot of these guys will be all for it, siting how this team is built to win now, without realizing that we may not even be a Top 10 NBA team right now.

I believe most in the NBA don’t expect Lin to be a franchise player, otherwise he wouldn’t have gone undrafted or he would have commanded MAX money in free agency, since that’s what typically franchise players get. However, I do think Lin is more talented than any point guard the Knicks currently have and with the proper mentorship and his already good work ethic, he could be a much better player making the Knicks more of a threat.

I have blind Knicks love, but even a blind man could shoot open j's better than we're seeing from Lin so far. Lin's more talented than Felton?

He hasn't proven he's more talented than Tony Douglas yet.

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Why dont we just close the book on lin and focus on our team

IrishKnickFan wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:As some one who didn't want him to leave but, isn't pissed that we lost him I find this thread really illuminating. Illuminating in the way that some folks think you can project a guys season based on 2preseason game.
I also think its funny that guys are also saying he took the league by surprise and things will be different. I'd be ok with that statement if he'd only played in a few games. The fact is he played long enough for the scouting reports to come out and we saw a difference once it did. For a game or two his stats took a dip but, he and adjusted. I can't say I was totally pleased with the adjustment because his assists took a dip since he began to focus more on scoring the ball which, he did well.
I was expecting Woody to work on blending his scoring into his offense along with learning to do a better job of getting Melo and Stat involved in the offense. That to me was his biggest weakness. Sure he was able to connect with Novak (reports our out that JR assisted on most of them) and Chandler who has a talent for rolling to the basket but, seemed unable to really mesh with Melo or Amare. His pick n roll could be much better for a guard in New York as well as being able to benefit Amare.
All I all I saw him as a YOUNG point guard with potential. Young point guard will have ups and downs and the learning curve is steeper for them but, I feel he can be a solid guard in this league.

Totally true man, all these guys bashing Lin so early are not paying close attention to the actual NBA game. Their love for the Knicks have blind them completely, that if tomorrow the Knicks trade Shumpert (plus picks as usual) for Ray Allen, a lot of these guys will be all for it, siting how this team is built to win now, without realizing that we may not even be a Top 10 NBA team right now.

I believe most in the NBA don’t expect Lin to be a franchise player, otherwise he wouldn’t have gone undrafted or he would have commanded MAX money in free agency, since that’s what typically franchise players get. However, I do think Lin is more talented than any point guard the Knicks currently have and with the proper mentorship and his already good work ethic, he could be a much better player making the Knicks more of a threat.

I have blind Knicks love, but even a blind man could shoot open j's better than we're seeing from Lin so far. Lin's more talented than Felton?

He hasn't proven he's more talented than Tony Douglas yet.

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Why dont we just close the book on lin and focus on our team

I would love to, but people need to be realistic and honest when assessing players (not just Lin) from other teams.

misterearl wrote:Pure Biased BullSh#t and you know it

tkf - we have the top two (intellectually lazy people) on our roster.. both denver castoffs..

Really?

".... Carmelo excels off the court in his efforts to improve communities and positively impact the way of life for disadvantaged children and families through his philanthropic efforts. The Giving Back Fund is the premier philanthropic resource for the sports and entertainment communities. In 2006, the organization named Carmelo eighth on a list of 30 celebrity philanthropists in America in their “The Giving Back 30” report. He was the only basketball player on this list, and was joined in the top tier by celebrities such as Oprah Winfrey and Tiger Woods. Carmelo was recognized for making charitable donations in excess of $4 million for projects in his hometown of Baltimore, Maryland and Syracuse, New York."

You were saying?

what you just posted is meaningless bro...

ChuckBuck wrote:Hey TKF, don't judge a book by it's cover. You may dislike Melo all you want on the court, for his style of play, whatever, but recognize that he's not a complete douchebag off the court.

great, send him back to denver and he can do all of the charity work he wants.. i don't give a damn as long as he isn't in a knick uniform, heck if he leaves I promise to start a website extolling his virtues off the court... on the court and as a teamate the guy comes off as a douchebag....