tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Can't imagine why fans can't say....."We failed, but we'll be ok".

Now we got homers defending Dolans money.

Unreal!

IF we did not want him why we run around telling everyone he is the starting PG?
Made Woodson look stupid.

EXACTLY, all of the talk, the dinner in LA.... I mean why? if they didn't want him...

Last time I checked, Woodson nor Melo have the authority to write checks to players. It was Dolan's call not to open up his wallet for Lin. Your hatred for Melo will not allow you to believe that their is some good in him. There are 2 articles in this thread, one I posted and another one by Chuck where Lin himself vouches for Melo, yet you brush it off as PR rhetoric. You are letting your emotions get in the way of logical posts.

knickscity wrote:TKF, i think they gameplanned for Lin because they knew we were trying too hard to run the team through him, and they knew d'antoni was not gonna adjust at all.

Which he didn't.

They let Mario chalmers of all people shut him down, that was embarassing to watch.

ChuckBuck wrote:Any professional point guard in the NBA that gets picked off in the backcourt, should be taken out back and beat with a rusty spiked bat.

They teach that drill in freaking middle school Gym class, let alone high school or college. Anyone saying that this is just 1 game should feel embarassed. This is fundamental basketball and if you struggle to get it across the half court line against a single defender, there's probably a reason teams passed on you.

Amen

Mray20 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I'll just leave this for the Linophiles:

That shyt is imprinted in my brain forever.

This is more than likely what was happening in practice with the Warriors and Rockets which is why both teams cut him but nobody wants to believe that. Linsanity was a nice story but lets not act like it was a a full season , Don't know if there are any Yankee fans here but I remember Joba Chamberlain for 2 months in 2007 was lights out , people were calling him the next Roger Clemens and after that sucked, remember Shane Spencer hitting 10 home runs in September 3 of which were grand slams , next season sucked, anyone remember Shelley Duncan came up and was on fire and then trash the next season, and don't give me oh baseball is a different sport the pitchers figure you out and batters , the point is 25 games IS A SMALL SAMPLE!!

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:THIS IS SAD.. you guys have only one game in which you use to judge lin.... it is not only sad, but lacks posting integrity... but that is just blind homerism at its best.. or worst....

Here you go!

knock lin to up the knicks

if you believe the knicks will be good, then no need to bash lin

this seems like panic, hoping lin wasn't the real deal... all evidence leads to him being a player.. I can post about 20 hours of carmelo looking like a slow fat turd on the court.. but why? I can just post his playoff record...

lin is good, and the knicks should be ok, if you truly believe that..

so I leave you with this..

and this

tkf wrote:get used to seeing this..

and this

• Of all players who drove the ball at least 40 times in camera-recorded games last season, Anthony proved to be the most efficient of anyone in the league. The Knicks scored 1.66 points per possession on trips that included an Anthony drive (from 20 feet out to 10 feet in) at any point in the possession. Anthony shot the ball on 55 percent of those drives (53 total, in 17 recorded games), a pretty normal figure for a top player at any position. He drew fouls on 25 percent of his drives, one of the half-dozen highest numbers in the sample of 91 players that STATS sent along. (Among players who piled up more than a token number of drives, only James Harden drew fouls more often.) Anthony shot a hair better than 60 percent from the floor on driving attempts.

But here’s the thing: Despite all those touches and more isolation plays than any player in the entire league (as a share of his total possessions, per Synergy Sports), Anthony only pulled off only 3.1 drives per game in the sample size. That mark was equivalent to the numbers for Chandler Parsons and Luol Deng, a bit below those for Kevin Durant (3.6) and Paul Pierce (3.7) and about half to one-third of the number that most point guards recorded.

• Anthony shot the ball nearly half the time that he touched it at the elbow, and he ranked No. 1, again, in points per possession recorded on all of his elbow touches. (Side note: This is an imperfect stat, since it considers the points a player produces after every elbow touch, even ones in which he passes the ball as the first ingredient in a long possession. Power forwards touch the ball at the elbow more than anyone, with Marc Gasol, Kevin Love, Pau Gasol, Greg Monroe and LaMarcus Aldridge leading the league in touches per game, but they pass the ball about 75 percent of the time, per STATS. Their points per possession numbers by this measure are thus artificially low; Marc Gasol, for instance, shot 57 percent from the elbow but has a very low points per possession number). Anthony shot a whopping 62 percent on shots taken after an elbow touch, one of the highest numbers in the league.

Taken together, these stats tell us that Anthony is an enormously powerful force when he attacks the basket from far outside. Watch video of all his shot attempts within five feet of the rim, as I did via NBA.com’s fantastic stats database, and it’s easy to see why. Melo loves to drive from the deep wing area, especially from the left side, where he is dynamite at faking right and squeezing along the left baseline for a right-handed lay-up. (His dependence on right-handed finishes can get him in trouble on the left side if a shot-blocker is around). He’s deadly driving from the elbow areas, with a tendency to go left and a first step too good for almost every defender — especially the power forwards who defended him late in the season, a subject we’ll pick up again later.

And even more interesting: Anthony is quite a polished pick-and-roll scorer when he starts from above the three-point line and has space to get going. He flies around that pick, and when a big man help defender meets him at the foul line, Anthony has a go-to move that few can stop. He sort of fakes a right-to-left crossover before pulling the ball back to his right and powering to the hoop.

Yesterday we looked at Jeremy Lin and why his ability in the pick-and-roll could wind up warranting the contract that the Houston Rockets gave him. With regard to the Rockets' half-court offense, Lin and his pick-and-roll play is a very good match. However, in basketball, you don't play only offense, and that offense isn't limited to pick-and-roll play. Once you start taking into consideration Lin's ability in transition and how the Rockets want to play in the fast break, you start to worry a little bit. Start looking at Lin's one-on-one defense, and you worry a lot.

On the offensive end, Lin's weakest area last season was his decision-making in transition. According to Synergy Sports, Lin was one of the worst players in transition, posting a PPP of 0.857, placing him in the bottom 12 percent of all NBA players. Lin's big problem in transition? Turnovers. Last season with the Knicks, Lin gave up the ball on 26.2 percent of his transition possessions.

Defense is really hard to quantify, but one of the best ways to do so is to look at Synergy Sports' isolation numbers. Using those metrics, Lin rates poorly. In isolation situations, he allowed a PPP of 0.971 (bottom 16 percent among NBA players) on 45.1 percent shooting last season. Defensively, Lin really struggles keeping his man in front of him, and that shows both on tape and in the numbers. According to Synergy Sports, he allowed his man to drive to the basket on 80.9 percent of the isolation possessions that he defended against.

This comes down to lateral quickness. Lin just can't stay in front of NBA-quality point guards. Most of the time, he uses his smarts and his body position to stay in front of his man during initial dribble penetration, but it's when his opponent changes direction that he has trouble.

For the Rockets to make this Jeremy Lin signing work, they are going to have to maximize the good and try to find ways to limit the bad. One way Houston can do this is by sticking to their secondary break offense and limiting Lin's transition possessions. On defense? They are just going to have to try and provide as much help as possible.

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I like Lin and hate that he is in Houston but the Melo bashing and Lin praising is too much to take.

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Oh and we got melo for gallo and wilson. We got NADA for Lin. THE END

I'd say we did pretty well for ourselves in free agency. Not resigning Lin probably led to:

-Jason Kidd
-Marcus Camby
-Kurt Thomas
-Raymond Felton
-Pablo Prigioni
-Ronnie Brewer

If anything we have a more balanced, defensive, experienced roster than with Lin.

I LOVE kid and camby, especially when they were in their primes.. but lets be real, those guys are nearing 40, prigioni is a mystery, and brewer is garbage...

we did get more experienced, but we also got old.. don't forget, we also let fields go as well..

True, but none of them will be expected to take on primary roles with the team.

In reduced capacity all should do fine.

Just curious, why don't you like Brewer?

i don't dislike him, just think he is overrated as a defender and a horrible offensive player..

As far as the reduced capacity for the older guys, thats fine, but we can't turn around and use that as such a big plus for this team...

kidd in a reduced roles means what? we just don't know yet..

That's fine, but just because a players role is small doesn't mean they won't have value.

Camby is a solid choice for when tyson gets in foul trouble or needs a breather, and the team shouldn't lose their reboounding and post defense with him out....improvement.

Kidd as a backup at worst is an improvement over Bibby who played every three games, and toney douglas...improvement.

Brewer has always been viewed at a solid defender, yes his offense is crap, but he does move well without the ball, and considering what fields gave last year, Brewer is an improvement there as well.

Kurts role...be ready to plays and soak up some hard fouls, and likely wouldn't be here except to get felton a couple more dollars.

Don't know how Pablo will adjust to the nba, he is an unknown for sure.

Overall I like the moves, considering we're cash strapped.

I have no problem with Camby, outside of his age. Great backup for sure.

I am hoping that there is not a big role for the "nearing 40" crowd though. But I am not so sure about Kid in that regards - he very well might be playing 20 or more minutes a night. You speak about not having to rely on the experienced cats as just a purely good thing. Who is the starter? Yeah, it is Felton. I did like Felton but he fell off the last 10 or more games he was with us - he couldn't continue playing above his head imo. And outside of that one good run, what has he done since he's been in the NBA? We are taking a very huge chance by letting Lin go.

We are one injury away from a nightmare of a season, sound familiar? And when you got lots of old folks and our star with a 2 year re-occurring back injury, the "domino effect" can happen awfully quickly.

muhaha wrote:First let me get this fact correctly: Knicks signed Felton BEFORE the deadline to match Houston's contract!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-deadline-approaches-raymond-felton-officially-a-knick-1.3841893

LOL@ all the people who agreed with everything Knicks FO did this off season.
Dolan's propaganda machine got some of you brainwashed! Why is Lin's contract an issue with the fans? Team is already over the cap the third year, with or without Lin's contract. It means, by signing Lin, the only thing that's affecting is Dolan's pocket. Unless you are his bookkeeper, it shouldnt be a concern for you! Cable and ticket prices wont drop because of not signing Lin.
- Second hight average ticket price in NBA
- One playoff win in the last 20 years
- One of the biggest fan bases in NBA
Should Dolan pay 45 some million for Lin in the 3rd year? Fvck yeah he should.

Why is Novak 15 million contract not an issue?
He was picked off waver last year.
He can't create his own shots.
He will never be affective without a PG who can drive and dish.
He can't defend.
He is a veteran who already reached his potential.
Lin costs 1 million more than Novak for the next two years.
Did you guy forget how he played against Miami in the playoff????????

For one lousy 3rd-year, fans cast Lin under the bus....praise to Dolan's propaganda machine! Objective achieved!

Oh yeah, BTW I totally agree that 25-game is not enough of a sample size, but that one game against Miami......