nixluva wrote:I'm tired of the excuses. Melo clearly has more overall talent than Bernard King. King was a pure scorer and thos Melo is also that kind of player, he has other skills and could quite easily be a Point Forward if he WANTED TO. That's my problem with him. Things that he should do to be an even better player and ascend to the Elite level he doesn't WANT to do. Not that he can't do it. There's a huge difference. Melo should be working on adding to aspects of his game as Lebron did. The guy was presented with a golden opportunity to raise his game to the level of a Lebron. If he would've accepted the responsibility and embraced the role he could easily have done things to make his teammates better. He talked a good game, but in truth he didn't really want to.

I've seen Melo make too many great passes to accept that he couldn't do it more often. He's not a limited player in any sense. I've seen Melo operate off a Curl and execute a catch and shoot so really there's no reason he couldn't have functioned in that kind of system and the more he did it the better he would've gotten. You can ALWAYS go ISO. You don't need any special attention from the coaches for that. However, to play in a team oriented flow you have to exert yourself and the guy chaffed at the role.

STAT is getting ready to try and add to his game and make an adjustment from the kind of player he's been to a more flexible PF that can post up and play a different style of game. Even Tyson is at least trying to expand his game. Only Melo is too stubborn to make any change for the sake of the team. Melo still has a chance to step up and i'm hoping that will be this year. We'll see if he can help lead his team to the ECF's this year. I'm not expecting a guarantee that he has to get past the Heat but with this team he should be able to get to the ECF's.

Melo is not Lebron. Who is? That's what makes Lebron, Lebron. He did what was asked of him as in play point forward which is not his thing. It's no an excuse...it's reality. No doubt he's talented but to say that Melo could raise his game to the level of Lebron is a bit much.

There are many that beleive that Melo is not even a top 10 player, more like top 15 but he could raise his game to be the best in the NBA if he wanted to? What aspects of his game besides assist should Melo be working on?

Keep in mind when Melo was playing heavy point forward Douglas, Bibby, Fields, Shumpert, Amare, Walker, Harrellson, Chandler were the ones logging major mins.

mrKnickShot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:82games.com
Douglas jump shot 333%
Bibby jump shot 396%
Fields jump shot 404%
Shump jump shot 401%
Amare jump shot 352%
Davis jump shot 414%
Anthony jump shot 410%
Smith jump shot 476%
Novak jump shot 673%
Lins jump shot 469%

How about Tyson's Jumper?

It actually was 596% I thought it would be horrible so I didn't think it would be fair to add it lol. And with 31% of his overall attempts.

mrKnickShot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:82games.com
Douglas jump shot 333%
Bibby jump shot 396%
Fields jump shot 404%
Shump jump shot 401%
Amare jump shot 352%
Davis jump shot 414%
Anthony jump shot 410%
Smith jump shot 476%
Novak jump shot 673%
Lins jump shot 469%

How about Tyson's Jumper?

It actually was 596% I thought it would be horrible so I didn't think it would be fair to add it lol. And with 31% of his overall attempts.

Yeah - I just saw that. I lost all my confidence now in what they consider a jumper.

lol me to.

nixluva wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm tired of the excuses. Melo clearly has more overall talent than Bernard King. King was a pure scorer and thos Melo is also that kind of player, he has other skills and could quite easily be a Point Forward if he WANTED TO. That's my problem with him. Things that he should do to be an even better player and ascend to the Elite level he doesn't WANT to do. Not that he can't do it. There's a huge difference. Melo should be working on adding to aspects of his game as Lebron did. The guy was presented with a golden opportunity to raise his game to the level of a Lebron. If he would've accepted the responsibility and embraced the role he could easily have done things to make his teammates better. He talked a good game, but in truth he didn't really want to.

I've seen Melo make too many great passes to accept that he couldn't do it more often. He's not a limited player in any sense. I've seen Melo operate off a Curl and execute a catch and shoot so really there's no reason he couldn't have functioned in that kind of system and the more he did it the better he would've gotten. You can ALWAYS go ISO. You don't need any special attention from the coaches for that. However, to play in a team oriented flow you have to exert yourself and the guy chaffed at the role.

STAT is getting ready to try and add to his game and make an adjustment from the kind of player he's been to a more flexible PF that can post up and play a different style of game. Even Tyson is at least trying to expand his game. Only Melo is too stubborn to make any change for the sake of the team. Melo still has a chance to step up and i'm hoping that will be this year. We'll see if he can help lead his team to the ECF's this year. I'm not expecting a guarantee that he has to get past the Heat but with this team he should be able to get to the ECF's.

Melo is not Lebron. Who is? That's what makes Lebron, Lebron. He did what was asked of him as in play point forward which is not his thing. It's no an excuse...it's reality. No doubt he's talented but to say that Melo could raise his game to the level of Lebron is a bit much.

There are many that beleive that Melo is not even a top 10 player, more like top 15 but he could raise his game to be the best in the NBA if he wanted to? What aspects of his game besides assist should Melo be working on?

Melo was able to bring the ball up court and make passes. There really isn't that much more he would be asked to do as Point Forward. Melo actually is very close to Lebron in terms of skills but it's his mental approach that differs. Melo is lazy in comparison to Lebron. It's much easier for him to just think "SCORE".

Think about it, aside from bringing the ball up, Melo is always a Point F. He's holding the ball back to basket or facing up and at that point in the possession Melo is in control of the offense and can actually give instructions to his teammates to do any number of things. He can survey the floor and look for cutters. He can call for a pick or run a give and go. Basically just like Lebron he can be the QB of the offense whenever he has the ball in his hands. Don't give me this crap aabout Melo not being Lebron. I'm not saying Melo will be EXACTLY as good as Lebron. Why do people always use that lame as line of reasoning? If he can avg. a couple more assists a game and just overall be a better decision maker then in fact Melo could be more on Lebron's level as a player. Of course Melo can't be as athletic or as fast, but in terms of skills Melo can do a lot of the same things.

Please!!

Melo is not even close to Lebron in talent, athleticism and overall skills. Please stop this nonsense.

If you are talking about pure scoring then maybe but nothing else.

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm tired of the excuses. Melo clearly has more overall talent than Bernard King. King was a pure scorer and thos Melo is also that kind of player, he has other skills and could quite easily be a Point Forward if he WANTED TO. That's my problem with him. Things that he should do to be an even better player and ascend to the Elite level he doesn't WANT to do. Not that he can't do it. There's a huge difference. Melo should be working on adding to aspects of his game as Lebron did. The guy was presented with a golden opportunity to raise his game to the level of a Lebron. If he would've accepted the responsibility and embraced the role he could easily have done things to make his teammates better. He talked a good game, but in truth he didn't really want to.

I've seen Melo make too many great passes to accept that he couldn't do it more often. He's not a limited player in any sense. I've seen Melo operate off a Curl and execute a catch and shoot so really there's no reason he couldn't have functioned in that kind of system and the more he did it the better he would've gotten. You can ALWAYS go ISO. You don't need any special attention from the coaches for that. However, to play in a team oriented flow you have to exert yourself and the guy chaffed at the role.

STAT is getting ready to try and add to his game and make an adjustment from the kind of player he's been to a more flexible PF that can post up and play a different style of game. Even Tyson is at least trying to expand his game. Only Melo is too stubborn to make any change for the sake of the team. Melo still has a chance to step up and i'm hoping that will be this year. We'll see if he can help lead his team to the ECF's this year. I'm not expecting a guarantee that he has to get past the Heat but with this team he should be able to get to the ECF's.

Melo is not Lebron. Who is? That's what makes Lebron, Lebron. He did what was asked of him as in play point forward which is not his thing. It's no an excuse...it's reality. No doubt he's talented but to say that Melo could raise his game to the level of Lebron is a bit much.

There are many that beleive that Melo is not even a top 10 player, more like top 15 but he could raise his game to be the best in the NBA if he wanted to? What aspects of his game besides assist should Melo be working on?

Melo was able to bring the ball up court and make passes. There really isn't that much more he would be asked to do as Point Forward. Melo actually is very close to Lebron in terms of skills but it's his mental approach that differs. Melo is lazy in comparison to Lebron. It's much easier for him to just think "SCORE".

Think about it, aside from bringing the ball up, Melo is always a Point F. He's holding the ball back to basket or facing up and at that point in the possession Melo is in control of the offense and can actually give instructions to his teammates to do any number of things. He can survey the floor and look for cutters. He can call for a pick or run a give and go. Basically just like Lebron he can be the QB of the offense whenever he has the ball in his hands. Don't give me this crap aabout Melo not being Lebron. I'm not saying Melo will be EXACTLY as good as Lebron. Why do people always use that lame as line of reasoning? If he can avg. a couple more assists a game and just overall be a better decision maker then in fact Melo could be more on Lebron's level as a player. Of course Melo can't be as athletic or as fast, but in terms of skills Melo can do a lot of the same things.

Please!!

Melo is not even close to Lebron in talent, athleticism and overall skills. Please stop this nonsense.

If you are talking about pure scoring then maybe but nothing else.

Also, lbj isn't a gym rat I have heard guys say he could be even better than he Is now if he put in the time to work on his game.

CrushAlot wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm tired of the excuses. Melo clearly has more overall talent than Bernard King. King was a pure scorer and thos Melo is also that kind of player, he has other skills and could quite easily be a Point Forward if he WANTED TO. That's my problem with him. Things that he should do to be an even better player and ascend to the Elite level he doesn't WANT to do. Not that he can't do it. There's a huge difference. Melo should be working on adding to aspects of his game as Lebron did. The guy was presented with a golden opportunity to raise his game to the level of a Lebron. If he would've accepted the responsibility and embraced the role he could easily have done things to make his teammates better. He talked a good game, but in truth he didn't really want to.

I've seen Melo make too many great passes to accept that he couldn't do it more often. He's not a limited player in any sense. I've seen Melo operate off a Curl and execute a catch and shoot so really there's no reason he couldn't have functioned in that kind of system and the more he did it the better he would've gotten. You can ALWAYS go ISO. You don't need any special attention from the coaches for that. However, to play in a team oriented flow you have to exert yourself and the guy chaffed at the role.

STAT is getting ready to try and add to his game and make an adjustment from the kind of player he's been to a more flexible PF that can post up and play a different style of game. Even Tyson is at least trying to expand his game. Only Melo is too stubborn to make any change for the sake of the team. Melo still has a chance to step up and i'm hoping that will be this year. We'll see if he can help lead his team to the ECF's this year. I'm not expecting a guarantee that he has to get past the Heat but with this team he should be able to get to the ECF's.

Melo is not Lebron. Who is? That's what makes Lebron, Lebron. He did what was asked of him as in play point forward which is not his thing. It's no an excuse...it's reality. No doubt he's talented but to say that Melo could raise his game to the level of Lebron is a bit much.

There are many that beleive that Melo is not even a top 10 player, more like top 15 but he could raise his game to be the best in the NBA if he wanted to? What aspects of his game besides assist should Melo be working on?

Melo was able to bring the ball up court and make passes. There really isn't that much more he would be asked to do as Point Forward. Melo actually is very close to Lebron in terms of skills but it's his mental approach that differs. Melo is lazy in comparison to Lebron. It's much easier for him to just think "SCORE".

Think about it, aside from bringing the ball up, Melo is always a Point F. He's holding the ball back to basket or facing up and at that point in the possession Melo is in control of the offense and can actually give instructions to his teammates to do any number of things. He can survey the floor and look for cutters. He can call for a pick or run a give and go. Basically just like Lebron he can be the QB of the offense whenever he has the ball in his hands. Don't give me this crap aabout Melo not being Lebron. I'm not saying Melo will be EXACTLY as good as Lebron. Why do people always use that lame as line of reasoning? If he can avg. a couple more assists a game and just overall be a better decision maker then in fact Melo could be more on Lebron's level as a player. Of course Melo can't be as athletic or as fast, but in terms of skills Melo can do a lot of the same things.

Please!!

Melo is not even close to Lebron in talent, athleticism and overall skills. Please stop this nonsense.

If you are talking about pure scoring then maybe but nothing else.

Also, lbj isn't a gym rat I have heard guys say he could be even better than he Is now if he put in the time to work on his game.

He might be the biggest freak of nature I have ever seen. And, I believe that he deserved the DPOY over Tyson by a decent margin.

FoeDiddy wrote:it becomes "ridiculous" when people ignore stats and facts when discussing just to stay the course of their argument.

Melo was injured after Memphis game and sucked after that but before that was playing great
Response: Melo sucked most of the season don't blame injury

Melo options to pass to stunk it up when he did pass
Response: Melo never bought into the system and shoots too much

Melo stated first three games under Woodson I've just tried to use more energy on defense and give the team everything I got
Response: Melo was dogging it Under MDA

Man get the hell out of here with this excuse making. Dude was playing major minutes and when he started to stink so bad that he was literally hurting the team he sat his ass down JUST BEFORE WE PLAY THE HEAT!!!! Talk about a bitch move.

No more F'n EXCUSES!!! He didn't break a leg or anything. His ass was able to play 35 minutes a night or more. If he actually worked on his passing and scoring within the flow of an offense and not just off ISO he'd be much closer to Lebron than you guys are making it sound. I NEVER SAID he'd BE LEBRON, but the idea is that if you're as skilled as Melo is there's no reason except for laziness for him not to be putting up better numbers. Melo can score, rebound and pass. He's good enough at the basic skills of the game to be a better player than he is. He needs to do more of the things that are part of WINNING BB. Not just ISO.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:it becomes "ridiculous" when people ignore stats and facts when discussing just to stay the course of their argument.

Melo was injured after Memphis game and sucked after that but before that was playing great
Response: Melo sucked most of the season don't blame injury

Melo options to pass to stunk it up when he did pass
Response: Melo never bought into the system and shoots too much

Melo stated first three games under Woodson I've just tried to use more energy on defense and give the team everything I got
Response: Melo was dogging it Under MDA

Man get the hell out of here with this excuse making. Dude was playing major minutes and when he started to stink so bad that he was literally hurting the team he sat his ass down JUST BEFORE WE PLAY THE HEAT!!!! Talk about a bitch move.

No more F'n EXCUSES!!! He didn't break a leg or anything. His ass was able to play 35 minutes a night or more. If he actually worked on his passing and scoring within the flow of an offense and not just off ISO he'd be much closer to Lebron than you guys are making it sound. I NEVER SAID he'd BE LEBRON, but the idea is that if you're as skilled as Melo is there's no reason except for laziness for him not to be putting up better numbers. Melo can score, rebound and pass. He's good enough at the basic skills of the game to be a better player than he is. He needs to do more of the things that are part of WINNING BB. Not just ISO.

I thought all this was common knowledge.

No need to get excited about it.

HA! Yeah well I can't help it. I get so tired of the Melo defenders not accepting that this guy has to freakin step up and not just do the easy part of the game. We need him to be ALL that he can be as a player. From what I see he clearly could be doing more. G. Karl and MDA weren't wrong to want the guy to expand his game beyond his ISO game.