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misterearl
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2/1/2012  2:30 PM
Just keepin' it real rp.

rp wrote:Unless TD looses minutes or moves to shooting guard back up, I don't see Lin getting any playtime other than garbage minutes.

rp - realistically speaking, smackeddog nailed it with the iced-tea spit take of the day... "it is physically impossible for a pg to play worse than Toney Douglas."

Shumpert has been learning on the fly, and done an admirable job considering he has NOT had the benefit of Summer League, training camp or a practice. ("we talkin' bout practice...")

Lin has gained vocal support from the home crowd and in NYC that earns you bonus points when you do something right.

Douglas is on thin ice.

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2/1/2012  2:33 PM
yea good point Earl. With shump people forget he didn't even have a summer league and full training camp. He is doing the best he can. He is goin to be good.
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2/1/2012  2:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2012  2:53 PM
"...we talkin' bout practice..."

gunsnewing - Other than gameday shoot arounds, Lin has not had the benefit of sharing the court, or scrimmages, with the big kids for more than a few rare off days. No training camp.

Imagine what Lin can do, once he gets comfortable with where Amar'e and Chandler like the ball. Notice how he makes the pass, and instead of standing still and asking for it back, like "he-who-will-go-unnamed", Jeremy sprints towards a screener.

The little things.

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2/1/2012  2:58 PM
Bippity10 wrote:Of all the flaws this coaching staff has, I don't think understanding the PG position is one of them. I think they have put him in a position where he can succeed and wehre his confidence will grow. It reminds me of the Mozgov situation where about a week before he started playing again, they started talking about how they needed to get him on the floor. They have said the same things about Lin recently so I think his time will come. If Baron is not turning this team around then Lin is not either. So in my view there is no need not to be patient with the guy.

Yeah everyone wants to jump the gun with Lin. Really anytime we have a young Player this forum jumps all over MDA for not playing them immediately. Some wanted TD to get tons of Playing time and now we see that he wasn't really ready then cuz he's still not ready to run the team. We need to let MDA and the staff do their job and stop assuming that we know better than them all the time. MDA has been criticized for years over his playing young guys but he's rarely been wrong about them. Guys he felt strong about he ended up being right. Guys he was down on he ended up being right.

Lin has unfortunately had very little time to learn what is a very intricate system. It took a month for Duhon, Felton and CB to learn. Let's give the kid some time before we rush him in.

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2/1/2012  3:14 PM
I sure as help was not one if the ones calling for MDA to play TD. I am however hopeful that Lin will start to see more playing time because he is the only PG on this team if u forget about Baron
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2/1/2012  4:42 PM
gunsnewing wrote:I sure as help was not one if the ones calling for MDA to play TD. I am however hopeful that Lin will start to see more playing time because he is the only PG on this team if u forget about Baron

I think with every solid performance Lin has it's giving MDA more confidence in him. MDA is kind of slow in trusting guys, but once he does you can be sure he's got your back. So far Lin has passed every test he's been given and I think he'll figure into the mix from here in. He deserves a shot to see what he can do, but like I said MDA is cautious with new guys. It took a while for him to really settle on Shawne but once he did he was in.

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2/1/2012  5:25 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Berman saying Knicks are pursuing Sessions. I don't get it if true. Sessions doesn't understand the MDA system any better than Lin and he can't shoot. Unless he is replacing Bibby & Douglas I don't get it. Maybe its a trade. I can role with Davis, Lin & sessions I guess

Sessions can get in the paint which is what we need. We def don't need another player who (thinks he can) jack up 3's.

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2/2/2012  1:08 AM
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2/2/2012  1:20 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/2/2012  1:24 AM
Listen to the Rocket announcers. They really like Lin.

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2/2/2012  1:35 AM
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2/2/2012  1:36 AM
Overall - some pretty awful basketball.

Funny how the Houston announcer says "the knicks just take too many darn 3's"

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2/2/2012  1:43 AM
It's clear to see that Lin has the talent. The Houston game isn't really the best example of how good he can be in time. I think he's more than capable of being a good NBA PG. Nothing i've seen suggests he can't play on this level. I just wanna see Lin actually running point the way it's meant to be in this offense. PnR with STAT and others! Good penetration and ball movement and keeping his dribble until there's a good pass to be made. I believe he can do it, but there's some really big games coming up and I don't know if MDA has full confidence in him yet to give him a shot in these next 2 games. We'll see. Something tells me we'll see Bibby again rather than Lin. I hope i'm wrong but I just get that feeling.
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2/2/2012  1:48 AM
nixluva wrote:It's clear to see that Lin has the talent. The Houston game isn't really the best example of how good he can be in time. I think he's more than capable of being a good NBA PG. Nothing i've seen suggests he can't play on this level. I just wanna see Lin actually running point the way it's meant to be in this offense. PnR with STAT and others! Good penetration and ball movement and keeping his dribble until there's a good pass to be made. I believe he can do it, but there's some really big games coming up and I don't know if MDA has full confidence in him yet to give him a shot in these next 2 games. We'll see. Something tells me we'll see Bibby again rather than Lin. I hope i'm wrong but I just get that feeling.

Again, why does he have confidence in TD? what has he shown to warrant significant minutes? Because there is no one better? Lin can't really be worse - no?

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2/2/2012  2:05 AM
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nixluva wrote:It's clear to see that Lin has the talent. The Houston game isn't really the best example of how good he can be in time. I think he's more than capable of being a good NBA PG. Nothing i've seen suggests he can't play on this level. I just wanna see Lin actually running point the way it's meant to be in this offense. PnR with STAT and others! Good penetration and ball movement and keeping his dribble until there's a good pass to be made. I believe he can do it, but there's some really big games coming up and I don't know if MDA has full confidence in him yet to give him a shot in these next 2 games. We'll see. Something tells me we'll see Bibby again rather than Lin. I hope i'm wrong but I just get that feeling.

Again, why does he have confidence in TD? what has he shown to warrant significant minutes? Because there is no one better? Lin can't really be worse - no?

He's been coaching TD for a long time now. I'm sure he likes the kid and is trying to give him a chance to get better. Lin just got here. They haven't even had that many practices together yet. Can't compare TD and Lin in terms of the coach knowing what he'll do in a given situation. I don't even know how many of the plays Lin knows yet. It could be that he doesn't yet know the full playbook.

Don't assume that Lin would automatically be better against NBA starters than TD has been. You have nothing to go on in that regard. If you started Lin tomorrow against Rose are you sure what you'd get from Lin? I don't know how he'd handle it. Coach will go with what he knows and even tho TD has been struggling, likely MDA believes he could get one of those good TD performances where he gets a lot of assists and hits his shots. It has happened before and MDA remembers that. Lin has no history here yet. It's gonna take some time to gain full trust from the coach.

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2/2/2012  2:14 AM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:It's clear to see that Lin has the talent. The Houston game isn't really the best example of how good he can be in time. I think he's more than capable of being a good NBA PG. Nothing i've seen suggests he can't play on this level. I just wanna see Lin actually running point the way it's meant to be in this offense. PnR with STAT and others! Good penetration and ball movement and keeping his dribble until there's a good pass to be made. I believe he can do it, but there's some really big games coming up and I don't know if MDA has full confidence in him yet to give him a shot in these next 2 games. We'll see. Something tells me we'll see Bibby again rather than Lin. I hope i'm wrong but I just get that feeling.

Again, why does he have confidence in TD? what has he shown to warrant significant minutes? Because there is no one better? Lin can't really be worse - no?

He's been coaching TD for a long time now. I'm sure he likes the kid and is trying to give him a chance to get better. Lin just got here. They haven't even had that many practices together yet. Can't compare TD and Lin in terms of the coach knowing what he'll do in a given situation. I don't even know how many of the plays Lin knows yet. It could be that he doesn't yet know the full playbook.

Don't assume that Lin would automatically be better against NBA starters than TD has been. You have nothing to go on in that regard. If you started Lin tomorrow against Rose are you sure what you'd get from Lin? I don't know how he'd handle it. Coach will go with what he knows and even tho TD has been struggling, likely MDA believes he could get one of those good TD performances where he gets a lot of assists and hits his shots. It has happened before and MDA remembers that. Lin has no history here yet. It's gonna take some time to gain full trust from the coach.

Listen, I respect MDA's tennaciousness and competitive spirit - he definitely is trying to win unlike Larry Brown. But he does not have the time to play these games. Like it or not, he is on the (VERY) hot seat. He can't go down with TD being the one that he trusts most. He needs to try something else other than waiting for TD to have a not so horrible game. He should not go down without trying everything. He is running out of time. I find that one of his downsides is his stubborness and that might cost him his job.

He needs to play the guy meaningful minutes and see what he's got. Enough with the learning.

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2/2/2012  7:30 AM
Im sure when Lin is ready many will think MDA held him back.

Most likely fans know more than the coaching staff and they should read the UK to know when Lin is ready.

It obvious that MDA is on more of a hot seat then reported because UK forum writers know it!

If it were me, I'd play Lin cuz what does MDA have to lose?

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2/2/2012  7:50 AM
Even if Lin is over matched, MDA would be sending a message to some of these guys that there is a way he wants them to play.
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2/2/2012  7:50 AM
I think this kid is a keeper. He is a pass first player who can get to the rim. Other than the Rockets games he's played garbage minutes I like what I see.

Janaury;
1/31 Pistons - 6 minutes played - 4 assists
1/28 - Rockets - 20 minutes 6 assists
1/24 - Bobcats - 6 minutes 4 assists
1/14 - Thunder - 5 minutes 1 assist
1/7 - Pistons - 4 minutes 0 assists

15 assists in 41 minutes. I know it's a small sample but this kid should get some run.

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2/2/2012  9:15 AM
Berman is unbelievable. He is the only one reporting the knicks have interest in Sessions. The reality is he came to MDA with the idea. Then Berman writes MDA won't rule out interest in adding a PG like Sessions LOL
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2/2/2012  9:20 AM
Nalod wrote:Im sure when Lin is ready many will think MDA held him back.

Most likely fans know more than the coaching staff and they should read the UK to know when Lin is ready.

It obvious that MDA is on more of a hot seat then reported because UK forum writers know it!

If it were me, I'd play Lin cuz what does MDA have to lose?

So there is no point to this forum? No need to second guess the coach or think he is doing something wrong? Or to have opinios? Don't get the sarcasm ... Isn't that the point of these board discussions? To give our opinion?

Is MDA not on a very hot seat?

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