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1/25/2012  9:35 PM
gunsnewing wrote:I think if Antoni is not fired the Nets will pass us in the standings

And who should be coaching us when he is fired?

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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1/25/2012  9:35 PM
nixluva wrote:All the IDIOTS blaming D'Antoni who is he supposed to play at PG to get this team going if neither of Shump, TD or Bibby can run the team? If you can't see that the poor PG play is the source of the problem your F'n BLIND! This is not D'Antoni's fault. The team can't sustain the ball movement if the PG's are making HORRIBLE decisions. They're the ones not running the sets right. Then that leads to frustration and bad D!

D'Antoni is an idiot because he runs an offense dependent on three point shooting with some of the most dominant front court players in the league. Take off your rose-colored lenses, man. It's time for D'Antoni to go

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1/25/2012  9:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/25/2012  9:40 PM
RonRon wrote:This is BS, the way Dantoni does not give a shot to his bench when the first 2units aren't brining it.

SO WHAT IF THEY DONT PERFORM... YOU SEND A MESSAGE to them to tell them that they are playing like SH!%$

Like when JVG emptied the bench in the 1st quarter and woke up the whole team

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1/25/2012  9:36 PM
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nixluva wrote:All the IDIOTS blaming D'Antoni who is he supposed to play at PG to get this team going if neither of Shump, TD or Bibby can run the team? If you can't see that the poor PG play is the source of the problem your F'n BLIND! This is not D'Antoni's fault. The team can't sustain the ball movement if the PG's are making HORRIBLE decisions. They're the ones not running the sets right. Then that leads to frustration and bad D!

I'm offended that u need to insult our intelligence for our opinions. How is it that every roster we have underachieves. It's obvious he has had the talent. Look at all the Ex-Knicks succeeding and playing much better without him. Gallo, Crawford, Lee, Nate, Chandler, Zach..the list goes on. He's had enough talent to not see all these offensive and defensive lapses team after team.

If he needs a PG to succeed fine. Then you adjust til your PG gets healthy some how to play better. What's his excuse to not adjusting during the game to situations. Timeouts to stop flow? Changing your sub patterns according to games. I watch so many games of other teams and always see other coaches get their starters back in quicker if the subs are stinking it up. How can you go 6 minutes without scoring and not call one timeout? what does that have to do with not having a PG?

What do random double teams leaving good 3 point shooters open have to do with a PG?

This all can't be coincidence. It comes from no discipline from the head honcho aka THE COACH!!

only Iman out of that group is capable of penetrating but he cannot be the only person that can take it off the dribble.
That is why Lin's speed and quickness will help...

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1/25/2012  9:37 PM
I have no reason to respect any ignorant comment! If I read a comment that is conjecture and anger but lacks any BB logic I reject it outright! I'm not at home or else I'd get extremely specific and breakdown the plays and show you the mistakes our guards are making. I'd post the plays and show you how they're diagrammed and compare that to what the guards are actually doing wrong. How that poor execution and lack of floor vision or timing is the cause of all the bad shots and turnovers.
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1/25/2012  9:38 PM
nixluva wrote:
colombian0725 wrote:
nixluva wrote:All the IDIOTS blaming D'Antoni who is he supposed to play at PG to get this team going if neither of Shump, TD or Bibby can run the team? If you can't see that the poor PG play is the source of the problem your F'n BLIND! This is not D'Antoni's fault. The team can't sustain the ball movement if the PG's are making HORRIBLE decisions. They're the ones not running the sets right. Then that leads to frustration and bad D!

Nixluva are you related to D'Antoni?

No! I just happen to know BB! I actually have the SSOL playbook and I know what the plays are supposed to look like! None of our guards are actually running the sets right! Shump was asleep at the wheel and missing wide open passes for easy scores! TD was setting up further and further out on the floor or driving with no plan and forcing shots. The passing and ball movement comes to a stop when your PG's do this.

if you have the SSOL playbook answer this: why is our idiot coach running it with a team that isn't fit to run it.

coach to your talent. coach to what your team does well. pat riley knew it. any good coach knows it. d'antoni is a stubborn idiot. how many games do we need to lose with guys who can't shoot threes missing threes to prove d'antoni's point?

he's a stubborn idiot and needs to be fired. he's putting his precious system ahead of what the team needs.

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1/25/2012  9:38 PM
RonRon wrote:
nixluva wrote:All the IDIOTS blaming D'Antoni who is he supposed to play at PG to get this team going if neither of Shump, TD or Bibby can run the team? If you can't see that the poor PG play is the source of the problem your F'n BLIND! This is not D'Antoni's fault. The team can't sustain the ball movement if the PG's are making HORRIBLE decisions. They're the ones not running the sets right. Then that leads to frustration and bad D!

you said it well, but you fail to point out we still have one more PG that he didn't give a shot.
He actually is the quickest and fastest one, with the ability to penetrate, and probably the best facilitator among those 3.

Jerome Jordan should get some minutes over JJ.

Novak should get some minutes over Bill Walker.

This is BS, the way Dantoni does not give a shot to his bench when the first 2units aren't brining it.

SO WHAT IF THEY DONT PERFORM... YOU SEND A MESSAGE to them to tell them that they are playing like SH!%$

It's not even sending a message it's called adjusting. How many times have we play'd an opposing team and their coach puts in someone who hasn't play'd in awhile to shake things up and that person ends up killing us. we had open shot after open shot that were missed. Who hits open shots? Novak. How many minutes did Novak get? 0...Great Coaching. even if Novak doesn't get open at least they have to stay on him to keep lane open for Amare.

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1/25/2012  9:39 PM
nixluva wrote:All the IDIOTS blaming D'Antoni who is he supposed to play at PG to get this team going if neither of Shump, TD or Bibby can run the team? If you can't see that the poor PG play is the source of the problem your F'n BLIND! This is not D'Antoni's fault. The team can't sustain the ball movement if the PG's are making HORRIBLE decisions. They're the ones not running the sets right. Then that leads to frustration and bad D!

nixluva, how is shumpert's ROY campaign going under d'antoni's brilliant hand?

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1/25/2012  9:39 PM
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colombian0725 wrote:Okay he is a good passer but I am asking is he a pass first point guard? If so please tell me when. I have always seen Davis as score first. Yes he can pass but his tendency is to find his own shot. As Barkley said it you don't change who you are in your 9th or 10th season. I think some of you guys are depending on Baron to be this Chris Paul pass first point guard and will quickly learn he is still a score first.

Think there are a lot of misconceptions of Baron davis's game. Look up his assist numbers. He passes at a high clip and seems to enjoy passing. In my opinion he is a pass first PG with the ability to score. His tendency is to dribble and probe the defense and shoot if his options are covered. He is a "VERY SMART" player.

I can agree to disagree. Yes he has good assist numbers but when it comes down to it he still has the tendency to become selfish regardless of his ability to pass the ball. Meaning he would come down the court and start popping 3's. Just like alot of the guys on our roster. So what's playing on the Knicks with MDA who has every else on the roster throwing up three's going to stop him from doing with he already does naturally...

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1/25/2012  9:40 PM
colombian0725 wrote:Okay he is a good passer but I am asking is he a pass first point guard? If so please tell me when. I have always seen Davis as score first. Yes he can pass but his tendency is to find his own shot. As Barkley said it you don't change who you are in your 9th or 10th season. I think some of you guys are depending on Baron to be this Chris Paul pass first point guard and will quickly learn he is still a score first.

he's not a pass-first guard. but this team needs his outside shooting, ability to penetrate and dish and his ability to be a third-scorer more than anything.

he's not a pass-first point guard, but neither was chauncey. this team needs a floor general. baron isn't chris paul or nash, but he's a good leader and good third scorer.

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1/25/2012  9:42 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:
RonRon wrote:
nixluva wrote:All the IDIOTS blaming D'Antoni who is he supposed to play at PG to get this team going if neither of Shump, TD or Bibby can run the team? If you can't see that the poor PG play is the source of the problem your F'n BLIND! This is not D'Antoni's fault. The team can't sustain the ball movement if the PG's are making HORRIBLE decisions. They're the ones not running the sets right. Then that leads to frustration and bad D!

you said it well, but you fail to point out we still have one more PG that he didn't give a shot.
He actually is the quickest and fastest one, with the ability to penetrate, and probably the best facilitator among those 3.

Jerome Jordan should get some minutes over JJ.

Novak should get some minutes over Bill Walker.

This is BS, the way Dantoni does not give a shot to his bench when the first 2units aren't brining it.

SO WHAT IF THEY DONT PERFORM... YOU SEND A MESSAGE to them to tell them that they are playing like SH!%$

It's not even sending a message it's called adjusting. How many times have we play'd an opposing team and their coach puts in someone who hasn't play'd in awhile to shake things up and that person ends up killing us. we had open shot after open shot that were missed. Who hits open shots? Novak. How many minutes did Novak get? 0...Great Coaching. even if Novak doesn't get open at least they have to stay on him to keep lane open for Amare.

exactly, and this time don't give that crap that they take bad shots, and haven't deserved a chance while everyone else got a chance.

Bibby and TD are set up to fail, how many times were they not doing ANYTHING while trying to facilitate.
Putting JJ to play with the 3 of them only makes it worse. Dantoni has problem with putting guys in his dog house for no reason...

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1/25/2012  9:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/25/2012  9:48 PM
RonRon wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
nixluva wrote:All the IDIOTS blaming D'Antoni who is he supposed to play at PG to get this team going if neither of Shump, TD or Bibby can run the team? If you can't see that the poor PG play is the source of the problem your F'n BLIND! This is not D'Antoni's fault. The team can't sustain the ball movement if the PG's are making HORRIBLE decisions. They're the ones not running the sets right. Then that leads to frustration and bad D!

I'm offended that u need to insult our intelligence for our opinions. How is it that every roster we have underachieves. It's obvious he has had the talent. Look at all the Ex-Knicks succeeding and playing much better without him. Gallo, Crawford, Lee, Nate, Chandler, Zach..the list goes on. He's had enough talent to not see all these offensive and defensive lapses team after team.

If he needs a PG to succeed fine. Then you adjust til your PG gets healthy some how to play better. What's his excuse to not adjusting during the game to situations. Timeouts to stop flow? Changing your sub patterns according to games. I watch so many games of other teams and always see other coaches get their starters back in quicker if the subs are stinking it up. How can you go 6 minutes without scoring and not call one timeout? what does that have to do with not having a PG?

What do random double teams leaving good 3 point shooters open have to do with a PG?

This all can't be coincidence. It comes from no discipline from the head honcho aka THE COACH!!

only Iman out of that group is capable of penetrating but he cannot be the only person that can take it off the dribble.
That is why Lin's speed and quickness will help...

At this point TD needs a long vacation. Not ready for D league bad. At least Lin is hungry and focused. I don't know how he will play but that trip to the D-league combined with TD's poor play shows that he should get a chance. If players think they're safe no matter what they do, they can get complacent, sloppy, selfish.

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1/25/2012  9:43 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:
nixluva wrote:All the IDIOTS blaming D'Antoni who is he supposed to play at PG to get this team going if neither of Shump, TD or Bibby can run the team? If you can't see that the poor PG play is the source of the problem your F'n BLIND! This is not D'Antoni's fault. The team can't sustain the ball movement if the PG's are making HORRIBLE decisions. They're the ones not running the sets right. Then that leads to frustration and bad D!

I'm offended that u need to insult our intelligence for our opinions. How is it that every roster we have underachieves. It's obvious he has had the talent. Look at all the Ex-Knicks succeeding and playing much better without him. Gallo, Crawford, Lee, Nate, Chandler, Zach..the list goes on. He's had enough talent to not see all these offensive and defensive lapses team after team.

If he needs a PG to succeed fine. Then you adjust til your PG gets healthy some how to play better. What's his excuse to not adjusting during the game to situations. Timeouts to stop flow? Changing your sub patterns according to games. I watch so many games of other teams and always see other coaches get their starters back in quicker if the subs are stinking it up. How can you go 6 minutes without scoring and not call one timeout? what does that have to do with not having a PG?

What do random double teams leaving good 3 point shooters open have to do with a PG?

This all can't be coincidence. It comes from no discipline from the head honcho aka THE COACH!!

Totally agree.
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1/25/2012  9:43 PM
nixluva wrote:I have no reason to respect any ignorant comment! If I read a comment that is conjecture and anger but lacks any BB logic I reject it outright! I'm not at home or else I'd get extremely specific and breakdown the plays and show you the mistakes our guards are making. I'd post the plays and show you how they're diagrammed and compare that to what the guards are actually doing wrong. How that poor execution and lack of floor vision or timing is the cause of all the bad shots and turnovers.

It's very insulting that you keep calling people who are voicing their opinions ignorant. I've play'd organized basketball and watched the sport for over 2 decades.

I agree with you with the PG play but that's not the only aspect of the game that is failing right now. Or failing when we had a competent PG in Felton. All these issues have always been there regarding coaching. You are pinpointing everything to the guards. I agree with Baron Davis we will be a better team BUT the sub patterns will still be the same, lack of timeouts will still be there, you will still see bad defense, etc.

How many times in his tenure have we said damn Dantoni coached his ass off that game. Besides the first two games of Celtics series, I can't think of one.

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1/25/2012  9:43 PM
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:All the IDIOTS blaming D'Antoni who is he supposed to play at PG to get this team going if neither of Shump, TD or Bibby can run the team? If you can't see that the poor PG play is the source of the problem your F'n BLIND! This is not D'Antoni's fault. The team can't sustain the ball movement if the PG's are making HORRIBLE decisions. They're the ones not running the sets right. Then that leads to frustration and bad D!

D'Antoni is an idiot because he runs an offense dependent on three point shooting with some of the most dominant front court players in the league. Take off your rose-colored lenses, man. It's time for D'Antoni to go

+1000
Instead of playing to our inside strength, we settle for 3 point shots.
Look where it got us tonight.
We had a chance to build on last night's momentum.....
instead, we revert to shooting threes and not playing with energy.
PLEASE fire D'Antoni....this guy is freakin' clueless.

"Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships." -Michael Jordan
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1/25/2012  9:45 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
RonRon wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
nixluva wrote:All the IDIOTS blaming D'Antoni who is he supposed to play at PG to get this team going if neither of Shump, TD or Bibby can run the team? If you can't see that the poor PG play is the source of the problem your F'n BLIND! This is not D'Antoni's fault. The team can't sustain the ball movement if the PG's are making HORRIBLE decisions. They're the ones not running the sets right. Then that leads to frustration and bad D!

I'm offended that u need to insult our intelligence for our opinions. How is it that every roster we have underachieves. It's obvious he has had the talent. Look at all the Ex-Knicks succeeding and playing much better without him. Gallo, Crawford, Lee, Nate, Chandler, Zach..the list goes on. He's had enough talent to not see all these offensive and defensive lapses team after team.

If he needs a PG to succeed fine. Then you adjust til your PG gets healthy some how to play better. What's his excuse to not adjusting during the game to situations. Timeouts to stop flow? Changing your sub patterns according to games. I watch so many games of other teams and always see other coaches get their starters back in quicker if the subs are stinking it up. How can you go 6 minutes without scoring and not call one timeout? what does that have to do with not having a PG?

What do random double teams leaving good 3 point shooters open have to do with a PG?

This all can't be coincidence. It comes from no discipline from the head honcho aka THE COACH!!

only Iman out of that group is capable of penetrating but he cannot be the only person that can take it off the dribble.
That is why Lin's speed and quickness will help...

At this point TD needs a long vacation. Not ready for D league bad. At least Lin is hungry and focused. I don't know how he will play but that trip to the D-league combined with TD's poor play shows that he should get a chance. If players think they're safe no matter what they get can get complacent, sloppy, selfish.

Wow we are really hoping a D-League guy to come in and help this team will Basketball games? what a freaking joke.

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1/25/2012  9:46 PM
This loss sucks as usual but we're soon to be only 5 games under .500 (after the Miami whooping) with a ton of ball left. This team has too much talent to suck this bad. I really think Baron is going to make a huge difference.
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1/25/2012  9:46 PM
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:All the IDIOTS blaming D'Antoni who is he supposed to play at PG to get this team going if neither of Shump, TD or Bibby can run the team? If you can't see that the poor PG play is the source of the problem your F'n BLIND! This is not D'Antoni's fault. The team can't sustain the ball movement if the PG's are making HORRIBLE decisions. They're the ones not running the sets right. Then that leads to frustration and bad D!

D'Antoni is an idiot because he runs an offense dependent on three point shooting with some of the most dominant front court players in the league. Take off your rose-colored lenses, man. It's time for D'Antoni to go

This is the kind of ignorance I'm talking about!!! You're proving my point. The offense isn't dependent on 3's! Go read up on the offense 1st then come back to me! There's a reason that
His teams have been near the top of the league in offensive efficiency.

Someone mentioned why not play Lin cuz he can penetrate but that's not everything either. There's more to it than that. See how often TD messes up on his drives. It looks easy
But it's not! Billups admitted last year that it was the hardest thing he'd done trying to learn the offense. I doubt that Lin has it down either. No one knows this better than MDA.

As for poor D! When you struggle so much on offense it effects your D! Frustration sets in and you lose focus.

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1/25/2012  9:46 PM
RonRon wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
RonRon wrote:
nixluva wrote:All the IDIOTS blaming D'Antoni who is he supposed to play at PG to get this team going if neither of Shump, TD or Bibby can run the team? If you can't see that the poor PG play is the source of the problem your F'n BLIND! This is not D'Antoni's fault. The team can't sustain the ball movement if the PG's are making HORRIBLE decisions. They're the ones not running the sets right. Then that leads to frustration and bad D!

you said it well, but you fail to point out we still have one more PG that he didn't give a shot.
He actually is the quickest and fastest one, with the ability to penetrate, and probably the best facilitator among those 3.

Jerome Jordan should get some minutes over JJ.

Novak should get some minutes over Bill Walker.

This is BS, the way Dantoni does not give a shot to his bench when the first 2units aren't brining it.

SO WHAT IF THEY DONT PERFORM... YOU SEND A MESSAGE to them to tell them that they are playing like SH!%$

It's not even sending a message it's called adjusting. How many times have we play'd an opposing team and their coach puts in someone who hasn't play'd in awhile to shake things up and that person ends up killing us. we had open shot after open shot that were missed. Who hits open shots? Novak. How many minutes did Novak get? 0...Great Coaching. even if Novak doesn't get open at least they have to stay on him to keep lane open for Amare.

exactly, and this time don't give that crap that they take bad shots, and haven't deserved a chance while everyone else got a chance.

Bibby and TD are set up to fail, how many times were they not doing ANYTHING while trying to facilitate.
Putting JJ to play with the 3 of them only makes it worse. Dantoni has problem with putting guys in his dog house for no reason...

In defense of Bibby, he helped bring them back from a 5 point deficit in the first half and kept setting up Stat for elbow jumpers and Stat kept missing them. Not saying he played great but he was staying in front of some very fast guards. He shouldn't be given heavy minutes but he should be getting some of TD'S. Its too sporadic right now

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1/25/2012  9:47 PM
I am really numb right now. I still for the life of me does not understand why TD is still getting PT. Same with Bibby. Both are garbage and useless. How long before MDA finally says the heck with loalty...let me give Lin a shot at running the point.
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