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Game Thread: New York Knicks (26-26) @ New Jersey Nets (17-37) - Saturday, February 12, 2011 at 7:00 PM EST
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2/12/2011  11:45 PM
scoshin wrote:Did you even watch the game tkf or are you just going on your usual Chandler rants? He had one of his better games of the season, especially his drive and kickouts, and his defense. There's a reason he was +16 for the night.

His drive and kicks from under the baseline to Fields were huge plays(corner and top of key), they were huge. He also was back to block party Chandler.... so yeah he was returning to form tonight.

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2/12/2011  11:49 PM
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Juice wrote:We appear to be a better team when Chandler is on or close to a 2nd option...

WHEN HE'S NOT IT BECOMES A LONG SEASON

I think we are a better team when either Chandler or Gallo is playing the role of 2nd option well. When both are off, the games become ugly. When either one is on, along with Amar'e, they seem to be good.

Though the San Antonio win, IMHO their best win of the season, came with Wilson rocking it and Gallo out, so maybe you are right.

Tonight Gallo was kind of a footnote. He wasn't bad but he was by no means good. Chandler returned to form and we looked not too shabby. When had our best stretch of play during the season when he was on his game and our worst when he wasn't. He's probably the gauge to look at on this team for this season in terms of how well we play and how bad we play.


8-21 for 21 points is returning to form? what kind of form? not one you want taking 21 shots.. we were lucky to be playing the nets.. they have been playing better, but they are still the nets..


Chandler was really clutch tonight. I can't remember him moving the ball on offense better and he kept blocking shots. Similar to Gallo the last few games, I watched him play and I knew that I would regret his being moved in a trade.
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2/12/2011  11:55 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
tkf wrote:
Juice wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Juice wrote:We appear to be a better team when Chandler is on or close to a 2nd option...

WHEN HE'S NOT IT BECOMES A LONG SEASON

I think we are a better team when either Chandler or Gallo is playing the role of 2nd option well. When both are off, the games become ugly. When either one is on, along with Amar'e, they seem to be good.

Though the San Antonio win, IMHO their best win of the season, came with Wilson rocking it and Gallo out, so maybe you are right.

Tonight Gallo was kind of a footnote. He wasn't bad but he was by no means good. Chandler returned to form and we looked not too shabby. When had our best stretch of play during the season when he was on his game and our worst when he wasn't. He's probably the gauge to look at on this team for this season in terms of how well we play and how bad we play.


8-21 for 21 points is returning to form? what kind of form? not one you want taking 21 shots.. we were lucky to be playing the nets.. they have been playing better, but they are still the nets..

Chandler was really clutch tonight. I can't remember him moving the ball on offense better and he kept blocking shots. Similar to Gallo the last few games, I watched him play and I knew that I would regret his being moved in a trade.

The Nets announcers were taking note of his play tonight. Gallo has been spoken of highly too in certain games. Tonight just happened to be where Chandler put his stamp on the game, in more ways than 1.

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2/13/2011  12:07 AM
scoshin wrote:Did you even watch the game tkf or are you just going on your usual Chandler rants? He had one of his better games of the season, especially his drive and kickouts, and his defense. There's a reason he was +16 for the night.

watched it as I typed... 21 shots for 21 points is not good.. sorry... his drive and kickouts? rofl.. those are drive and bailouts... he passes when he figures there is no shot...

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2/13/2011  12:08 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
tkf wrote:
Juice wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Juice wrote:We appear to be a better team when Chandler is on or close to a 2nd option...

WHEN HE'S NOT IT BECOMES A LONG SEASON

I think we are a better team when either Chandler or Gallo is playing the role of 2nd option well. When both are off, the games become ugly. When either one is on, along with Amar'e, they seem to be good.

Though the San Antonio win, IMHO their best win of the season, came with Wilson rocking it and Gallo out, so maybe you are right.

Tonight Gallo was kind of a footnote. He wasn't bad but he was by no means good. Chandler returned to form and we looked not too shabby. When had our best stretch of play during the season when he was on his game and our worst when he wasn't. He's probably the gauge to look at on this team for this season in terms of how well we play and how bad we play.


8-21 for 21 points is returning to form? what kind of form? not one you want taking 21 shots.. we were lucky to be playing the nets.. they have been playing better, but they are still the nets..


Chandler was really clutch tonight. I can't remember him moving the ball on offense better and he kept blocking shots. Similar to Gallo the last few games, I watched him play and I knew that I would regret his being moved in a trade.

I am usually a homer for our young players.. but honestly, I am not a fan of volume shooters... chandler is a volume shooter.. and if we are going to do that, then go get a guy like Al thornton to throw up 21 shots, I am sure he could get you 30 points.. Hell why did we all hate harrington for doing the same thing?

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2/13/2011  12:14 AM
Watching the game I didn't feel Chan took bad shots tho. He was fully engaged in this game as opposed to other games where I felt he wasn't fully into it. His defense was very good.
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2/13/2011  12:24 AM
nixluva wrote:Watching the game I didn't feel Chan took bad shots tho. He was fully engaged in this game as opposed to other games where I felt he wasn't fully into it. His defense was very good.

A couple of his misses came off tip/put back attempts around the rim, one of which proved to be clutch late.

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2/13/2011  12:31 AM
nixluva wrote:Watching the game I didn't feel Chan took bad shots tho. He was fully engaged in this game as opposed to other games where I felt he wasn't fully into it. His defense was very good.

some fans are funny. he takes the same questionable shots, when he misses, I hear people say he had a bad game. when he makes, he is engaged, back to form.... the difference the past few weeks is that most of chandlers bad choices have not been going in... a few weeks earlier, they were...

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2/13/2011  12:40 AM
scoshin wrote:Did you even watch the game tkf or are you just going on your usual Chandler rants? He had one of his better games of the season, especially his drive and kickouts, and his defense. There's a reason he was +16 for the night.

I forgot, he did have that one good kickout to TD, and TD nailed the shot. honestly, TD was a huge factor tonight..

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2/13/2011  12:49 AM
Chandler definitely came up big tonight. I was surprised to see the 8-21 on the stat sheet at the end of the game (granted I was preoccupied in the 1st half). He flat out carried us early in the 4th when the Nets came back to take the lead. Kept making big shot, after big shot to answer the Net's attack.

He's put up enough stinkers the past couple weeks to complain about, but Wilson gets a pass tonight.

Not the prettiest game for anyone out there, but the results the same either way. Knicks get a much needed W.

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2/13/2011  1:04 AM
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Childs2Dudley wrote:Douglas is a flaming idiot. Such a low basketball IQ.

I have just about given up on TD as PG. Dude plays with blinders on.

And for all of the talk that he is good on the defensive end, he'll get a steal once but miss on gambles on 3 other tries that lead to easy baskets for other team and 2 fouls on other plays. 1 steal and like 5 bad plays.

Sorry to say it, but that's what I see too. I thought the kid had turned a corner at one point. He was under control and making plays. I just don't think he's got the court vision or mentality to be a PG. I still wish we could've traded for Ridnour. He'd be a good back up.

As each month goes by I am less impressed with Felton too.

He puts up stats, has a 20/10 game every once in a while, but I expected more leadership and quality play for entire games.

I just don't see him making enough plays that get easy baskets for other players (sure, every once in a while he will have a fantastic PnR pass to Amare or whomever). His mental mistakes come too often too (sloppy passes to post player, repeatedly giving Amare the ball on the move 40 feet from basket, whipping passing in traffic that he has no business making, etc). I saw at least 3-4 big defensive mistakes during the New Jersey game, some of them coming in the second recovery play action (there is a switch and recover and Felton makes the first good move but doesn't give effort to get back to his man or comes off pick too slowly).

This could all be because he has an incompetent backup and the minutes are wearing on him, and he certainly is banged up and not complaining about that. Outside of the San Antonio huge win, I can't remember a game where Felton really pushed the ball for a whole game.

Felton has had about a good month or so where he was very good, but that's it. And he has become a siv lately, letting his guy get past him waaaayyyy too easily.

I agree with this - but I think we'd see a better Felton if he could play 33minutes a night and have a capable backup take 15 minutes. we don't have that now. that's why i wanted Jason Williams, at least he can pretend to be a decent backup. Toney Douglas cannot. though I thought Toney played pretty well for the most part tonight, he made some horrendous plays and non-plays.

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2/13/2011  1:07 AM
Nalod wrote:Gallo made plays. Good basketball players do lots of things. Take a charge, grab important rebounds in the 4th.

He shoots from the 3, dunks on breaks, Passes, rebounds, etc etc.

He is not a freaking all world. Thats Amare, thats Melo, and you need guys like Gallo that do these things. Good basketball players don't always make highlights but do the big things. Mozzy keeps the ball alive with his hight.

Team made a few nice big stops down the stretch.

It was not a pretty game, but in its first with out Amare team prevailed and gutted out a win.

Great teams start with good players.

Glad to see Chandler step up. I like the kid. I want him to get paid either here or wanted elseware. Good kid.

Our yoots are just fine trending better over the big picture. I like watching this group.

Good post. Gallo is a good player - I don't think he'll ever develop that takeover mentality some here saw in him or wanted from him. I wish he could be consistently agressive, but he's a very smart player. I hate to make the Euro/Euro comparison, but he seems to be more a Toni Kukoc type than a Dirk. But hey, Toni got three rings coming off the bench behind two stars. Maybe Gallo can do the same behind Amare and Melo (i hope i hope i hope).

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2/13/2011  9:19 AM
tkf wrote:TD seemed to have one of the better games tonight statistically. I hate how he gets beat up on in these forums.. but some think it is ok to hoist up 21 shots to get 21 points.. didn't see the game, but I will take you guys word for it until I watch it later, but jeez.. give TD a break.. haha

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You don't give Chandler a break.

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2/13/2011  9:20 AM
tkf wrote:
scoshin wrote:Did you even watch the game tkf or are you just going on your usual Chandler rants? He had one of his better games of the season, especially his drive and kickouts, and his defense. There's a reason he was +16 for the night.

watched it as I typed... 21 shots for 21 points is not good.. sorry... his drive and kickouts? rofl.. those are drive and bailouts... he passes when he figures there is no shot...

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What about 6 Blocks? Come on you just don't like Chandler. admit it!

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2/13/2011  9:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2011  9:49 AM
Papabear wrote:
tkf wrote:
scoshin wrote:Did you even watch the game tkf or are you just going on your usual Chandler rants? He had one of his better games of the season, especially his drive and kickouts, and his defense. There's a reason he was +16 for the night.

watched it as I typed... 21 shots for 21 points is not good.. sorry... his drive and kickouts? rofl.. those are drive and bailouts... he passes when he figures there is no shot...

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What about 6 Blocks? Come on you just don't like Chandler. admit it!

5 blocks.. that is nice... but lets not go overboard here.

good to see you papabear.... been a while since I seen you around.. kind of a coincidence huh?

I don't hate him papabear.. just not in love with him like some of you are...

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2/13/2011  10:09 AM
tkf wrote:
Papabear wrote:
tkf wrote:
scoshin wrote:Did you even watch the game tkf or are you just going on your usual Chandler rants? He had one of his better games of the season, especially his drive and kickouts, and his defense. There's a reason he was +16 for the night.

watched it as I typed... 21 shots for 21 points is not good.. sorry... his drive and kickouts? rofl.. those are drive and bailouts... he passes when he figures there is no shot...

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What about 6 Blocks? Come on you just don't like Chandler. admit it!

5 blocks.. that is nice... but lets not go overboard here.

good to see you papabear.... been a while since I seen you around.. kind of a coincidence huh?

I don't hate him papabear.. just not in love with him like some of you are...

Chan is OK player. He is missing something metally and his BB IQ is less that avarage in NBA.
He suddenly can get disoriented and start attempting some bad shots.
He can be very good with smart PG concentrated on making plays for him. We do not have this.
So he is left on his own.
He is complimentary player and his game depending heavily on PG and coaching.
Chan will be very good on teams like Spurs, Jazz, Lakers. And he will suck on bad team.
We are OK so he is OK.

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2/13/2011  10:27 AM
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:
martin wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Douglas is a flaming idiot. Such a low basketball IQ.

I have just about given up on TD as PG. Dude plays with blinders on.

And for all of the talk that he is good on the defensive end, he'll get a steal once but miss on gambles on 3 other tries that lead to easy baskets for other team and 2 fouls on other plays. 1 steal and like 5 bad plays.

Sorry to say it, but that's what I see too. I thought the kid had turned a corner at one point. He was under control and making plays. I just don't think he's got the court vision or mentality to be a PG. I still wish we could've traded for Ridnour. He'd be a good back up.

As each month goes by I am less impressed with Felton too.

He puts up stats, has a 20/10 game every once in a while, but I expected more leadership and quality play for entire games.

I just don't see him making enough plays that get easy baskets for other players (sure, every once in a while he will have a fantastic PnR pass to Amare or whomever). His mental mistakes come too often too (sloppy passes to post player, repeatedly giving Amare the ball on the move 40 feet from basket, whipping passing in traffic that he has no business making, etc). I saw at least 3-4 big defensive mistakes during the New Jersey game, some of them coming in the second recovery play action (there is a switch and recover and Felton makes the first good move but doesn't give effort to get back to his man or comes off pick too slowly).

This could all be because he has an incompetent backup and the minutes are wearing on him, and he certainly is banged up and not complaining about that. Outside of the San Antonio huge win, I can't remember a game where Felton really pushed the ball for a whole game.

Felton has had about a good month or so where he was very good, but that's it. And he has become a siv lately, letting his guy get past him waaaayyyy too easily.

I agree with this - but I think we'd see a better Felton if he could play 33minutes a night and have a capable backup take 15 minutes. we don't have that now. that's why i wanted Jason Williams, at least he can pretend to be a decent backup. Toney Douglas cannot. though I thought Toney played pretty well for the most part tonight, he made some horrendous plays and non-plays.

TD is just playing the role d'A designs AFAICT Saturday

Toney Douglas, G 21 8-13 3-6 0-2 0 3 3 0 1 0 1 3 +6 19

when scoring is needed. 19 pts in 21 minutes

against the Lakers 23 minutes 1-6 1-4 1-2 1 0 0 2 1 3 4 6 4

6 assists in 23 vs Lakers

The foul late was especially stupid he got played on that one. He lead the team back from a 20 point deficit the other day. He makes mistakes but I personally have not yet given up on TD. He should look better with a traditional C thought and had some nice moments in Moz's eruption the other night.

I do think Felton would be better with more rest and d'A just needs to give it to him and let TD sink or swim The 2 point guard lineup has the worst point difference. And TD has a better point differential as PG than Felton. That needs to be weighed against the competition though since Felto is doing it against the NBA starters

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2/13/2011  10:51 AM
arkrud wrote:
tkf wrote:
Papabear wrote:
tkf wrote:
scoshin wrote:Did you even watch the game tkf or are you just going on your usual Chandler rants? He had one of his better games of the season, especially his drive and kickouts, and his defense. There's a reason he was +16 for the night.

watched it as I typed... 21 shots for 21 points is not good.. sorry... his drive and kickouts? rofl.. those are drive and bailouts... he passes when he figures there is no shot...

Papabear Says

What about 6 Blocks? Come on you just don't like Chandler. admit it!

5 blocks.. that is nice... but lets not go overboard here.

good to see you papabear.... been a while since I seen you around.. kind of a coincidence huh?

I don't hate him papabear.. just not in love with him like some of you are...

Chan is OK player. He is missing something metally and his BB IQ is less that avarage in NBA.
He suddenly can get disoriented and start attempting some bad shots.
He can be very good with smart PG concentrated on making plays for him. We do not have this.
So he is left on his own.
He is complimentary player and his game depending heavily on PG and coaching.
Chan will be very good on teams like Spurs, Jazz, Lakers. And he will suck on bad team.
We are OK so he is OK.

very well put....

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2/13/2011  10:52 AM
tkf wrote:
Papabear wrote:
tkf wrote:
scoshin wrote:Did you even watch the game tkf or are you just going on your usual Chandler rants? He had one of his better games of the season, especially his drive and kickouts, and his defense. There's a reason he was +16 for the night.

watched it as I typed... 21 shots for 21 points is not good.. sorry... his drive and kickouts? rofl.. those are drive and bailouts... he passes when he figures there is no shot...

Papabear Says

What about 6 Blocks? Come on you just don't like Chandler. admit it!

5 blocks.. that is nice... but lets not go overboard here.

good to see you papabear.... been a while since I seen you around.. kind of a coincidence huh?

I don't hate him papabear.. just not in love with him like some of you are...

5 blocks is pretty impressive - that's josh smith/ak47 territory.

Chandler was the only guy who took it to the rack all night last night, he's the only reason the knicks won.

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2/13/2011  10:54 AM
tkf wrote:
arkrud wrote:
tkf wrote:
Papabear wrote:
tkf wrote:
scoshin wrote:Did you even watch the game tkf or are you just going on your usual Chandler rants? He had one of his better games of the season, especially his drive and kickouts, and his defense. There's a reason he was +16 for the night.

watched it as I typed... 21 shots for 21 points is not good.. sorry... his drive and kickouts? rofl.. those are drive and bailouts... he passes when he figures there is no shot...

Papabear Says

What about 6 Blocks? Come on you just don't like Chandler. admit it!

5 blocks.. that is nice... but lets not go overboard here.

good to see you papabear.... been a while since I seen you around.. kind of a coincidence huh?

I don't hate him papabear.. just not in love with him like some of you are...

Chan is OK player. He is missing something metally and his BB IQ is less that avarage in NBA.
He suddenly can get disoriented and start attempting some bad shots.
He can be very good with smart PG concentrated on making plays for him. We do not have this.
So he is left on his own.
He is complimentary player and his game depending heavily on PG and coaching.
Chan will be very good on teams like Spurs, Jazz, Lakers. And he will suck on bad team.
We are OK so he is OK.

very well put....

Chandler isn't a leader, but since we got some real leaders here in Amar'e and Ray, he's been quite good. His game against the Spurs where he had 31pts was incredible. He's been slumping lately because of the trade rumors, as Gallo was earlier in the season.

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