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TMS
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2/9/2011  11:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2011  11:42 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
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Childs2Dudley wrote:Already trashing Mozgov...LOL.

Jesus Christ, go find another scapegoat. He's not the reason we lost.

yeah, instead of making observations about the players that actually played in this game we should probably be arguing about more important stuff, like who's going to make the next game thread.

Your observations are usually insults and veiled threats. You're always angry and talking down to people. There's a reason you get into it numerous people here. Keep that talk to yourself.

Mozgov was not the reason we lost. I do not need to go into an observation for it. He wasn't the reason we lost. Perimeter defense was. We've sat here and discussed the fact that D'Antoni and his style will not win games. I do not believe wasting time discussing this after every loss is worthy of discussion. Nothing else needs to be said about this.

Sorry I didn't fill your need of "observation" by making a light-hearted remark instead of trashing a player. I don't play favorites with players. I call it like it is. And that really is how it is.

i haven't said anything that was unfair towards Mozgov in this thread, & i certainly have not made any insulting comments or veiled threats towards you... & not once did i say Mozgov was the reason we lost... people are carrying on a mature conversation about things they noticed during the course of this game & you're telling me my observations are usually insults & veiled threats... if u don't care to participate in the discussion then don't... i really don't care... i've noticed u seem to enjoy lecturing people on the content of their posts rather than participating in discussions anyway.

as for me "getting into it with numerous people" if you can't handle debating topics with me then there is an ignore feature you're free to use... i don't need the lectures from posters like you thanks.

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Childs2Dudley
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2/9/2011  11:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2011  11:50 PM
Yeah, you're the standard of excellence of this forum so you really shouldn't be hearing it from "posters like me". But I said it anyway. Oh well.

Not interested in advancing this any further. I said my piece and I stick by it.

And btw, there is no ignore feature.

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2/10/2011  12:37 AM
my problem with moz is simple. you are 7 ft tall and you are a center. if you are not grabbing boards and defending the paint then you are useless.

i can forgive chandler at the 4 because he provides efficient offense, even at his worst and causes match up problems on the other end. mozgov benefited from jordan completely ignoring him and being not so great defensively himself.

giving up 58 pts in the paint is a lot even by our standards. mozgov's role on defense is to help in that regard but he had no effect at best.

i'd also like to remind you that the clips built that huge lead with amar'e on the bench and mozgov on the floor most of the time and we started coming back the minute he went to the bench.

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2/10/2011  12:39 AM
FistOfOakley wrote:my problem with moz is simple. you are 7 ft tall and you are a center. if you are not grabbing boards and defending the paint then you are useless.

i can forgive chandler at the 4 because he provides efficient offense, even at his worst and causes match up problems on the other end. mozgov benefited from jordan completely ignoring him and being not so great defensively himself.

giving up 58 pts in the paint is a lot even by our standards. mozgov's role on defense is to help in that regard but he had no effect at best.

i'd also like to remind you that the clips built that huge lead with amar'e on the bench and mozgov on the floor most of the time and we started coming back the minute he went to the bench.

58 points in the paint is not Mozgov's fault. It is the PERIMETER DEFENSE which let everyone go by them and drive to the hoop. Mozgov didn't have a great defensive game but he is not going to block every layup that comes at him. Especially when there are 25-30 layups coming at him.

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2/10/2011  12:56 AM
it's not about blockign shots. it's about being a presence, challenging shots and not giving up dunks. there were just numerous instances where he could have taken a foul to prevent a dunk or just flat out stepped up and challenge a shot(bledsoe's tear drop where he was 5 feet away comes immediately to mind).
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2/10/2011  1:02 AM
FistOfOakley wrote:it's not about blockign shots. it's about being a presence, challenging shots and not giving up dunks. there were just numerous instances where he could have taken a foul to prevent a dunk or just flat out stepped up and challenge a shot(bledsoe's tear drop where he was 5 feet away comes immediately to mind).

Do you understand why there were so many opportunities in the paint? It's because the perimeter defenders were not keeping their men in front of them. It's not Mozgov's job to bail out the defenders every single time. We played no defense on the outside and amare didn't help by doing nothing either. Mozgov has been a presence in almost every game he's played this season when he's gotten a chance. Taking one game where the guards sucked on D and using it as an example and to make him a scapegoat is wrong.

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2/10/2011  1:13 AM
denying penetration on a regular basis is really hard in the nba. there's a reason why all the top defending teams have capable defensive big men. when there's 58 points in the paint there's a lot of blame to go around but ultimately it's your frontcourt that's responsible.
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2/10/2011  1:25 AM
FistOfOakley wrote:denying penetration on a regular basis is really hard in the nba. there's a reason why all the top defending teams have capable defensive big men. when there's 58 points in the paint there's a lot of blame to go around but ultimately it's your frontcourt that's responsible.

Wrong.

Denying penetration on a regular basis isn't easy but the good teams in the NBA have very good perimeter defense. The Knicks don't. Opponents will score 58 points in the paint when there is little resistance on the outside, forcing the big men to come out and help. Usually this leaves someone wide open for an easy basket and this was what was usually happening in this game.

Not sure how you interpret the game of basketball but the fault here lies with the perimeter defense moreso than the defense of the front court. The guards failed their task and the team could not withstand such putrid defense.

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2/10/2011  4:19 AM
This entire team is a work in progress. Fans are so impatient that it's not even funny. The Clips mostly suck cuz they have a lot of young guys still trying to figure it out and we have the same problem. This isn't a super team with guys that have all kinds of experience at every position. Our players haven't figured it all out yet. I want to see this team with some years under their belt and this year being in the playoffs will be a great learning experience. I know it's annoying to watch the team lose games they should win, but that's the reality of the team at this stage.

This is still MUCH better than what we've had to deal with for years. We're going in the right direction as a franchise. There's 31 more games for this team to try and get it right and hopefully they will. Once again we're relying on 2 rookies right now and a bunch of other guys that are still developing. We've got a bunch of guys that are 22-26 forming the bulk of our rotation. I think it's understandable that they'll still struggle to be consistent.

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2/10/2011  7:07 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:If we lose I want blobman out as game thread maker. He has like a 1-15 game thread record.

Also, THE MOZ!

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2/10/2011  7:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2011  7:28 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Yeah, you're the standard of excellence of this forum so you really shouldn't be hearing it from "posters like me". But I said it anyway. Oh well.

Not interested in advancing this any further. I said my piece and I stick by it.

And btw, there is no ignore feature.

dude, we're talking about legitimate issues here if u don't care to participate then don't... stop lecturing to people what they should be talking about after a Knicks loss & save your emo rantings for someone else. thanks.

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2/10/2011  7:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2011  7:29 AM
Hahaha, "emo rantings". Classic.

Hey, I was watching the Bosnia Mexico game, IN WHICH BOSNIA GOT ROBBED, BY THE WAY, BOGUS PENALTY, MAN! Chicharito you're a bum!

So I was skipping between games, I saw only bits and pieces. I saw a nice dunk shot by Mozgov on a Felton dish, but I also saw Felton dribble up and pop it without passing two times! Two times and I was barely watching the game. Terrible, man. I don't like that fella.

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2/10/2011  7:35 AM
nixluva wrote:This entire team is a work in progress. Fans are so impatient that it's not even funny. The Clips mostly suck cuz they have a lot of young guys still trying to figure it out and we have the same problem. This isn't a super team with guys that have all kinds of experience at every position. Our players haven't figured it all out yet. I want to see this team with some years under their belt and this year being in the playoffs will be a great learning experience. I know it's annoying to watch the team lose games they should win, but that's the reality of the team at this stage.

This is still MUCH better than what we've had to deal with for years. We're going in the right direction as a franchise. There's 31 more games for this team to try and get it right and hopefully they will. Once again we're relying on 2 rookies right now and a bunch of other guys that are still developing. We've got a bunch of guys that are 22-26 forming the bulk of our rotation. I think it's understandable that they'll still struggle to be consistent.

i think there are areas of weakness that clearly need to be addressed... this has nothing to do with being impatient, people just notice certain things in certain players & would like to see them work on these weaknesses going forward... no one is beyond reproach on this team not even Amare, who last night getting into early foul trouble did not help our cause either... as the main guy he's gotta do a better job of staying on the floor especially when we don't have another star on the team to carry the offense when he's not playing.

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2/10/2011  8:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2011  8:35 AM
This team goes as Felton goes. This is what an MDA SSOL team will do. When we were making our run, Clyde was pleasantly surprised when they were going to Gallo. He said that...wow, knicks playing smart and feeding the hot hand. Which was Gallo. Then I noticed that Felton was not in. He comes in and Gallo sees the ball once in awhile. Felton really is approaching Dudu territory. He also had a couple of horrible PnR passes to Timo and Amare. Dang.
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2/10/2011  8:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2011  10:02 AM
NYKBocker wrote:This team goes as Felton goes. This is what an MDA SSOL team will do. When we were making our run, Clyde was pleasantly surprised when they were going to Gallo. He said that...wow, knicks playing smart and feeding the hot hand. Which was Gallo. Then I noticed that Felton was not in. He comes in and Gallo sees the ball once in awhile. Felton really is approaching Dudu territory. He also had a couple of horrible PnR passes to Timo and Amare. Dang.

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2/10/2011  9:52 AM
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Finestrg wrote:
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tkf wrote:Moz was a beast, too bad he saw little time in the second half.. 18/6

he had a bunch of wide open dunks under the basket but he was leaving his man wide open on defense throughout the 1st half... i think him & D Jordan were having a contest of who could leave their man open the most

He can score a little around the basket when he's set up properly (even that's an adventure--he fumbles the damn ball way too much at times) or with that little soft jumper of his but the most important things we could use outta him--defense & rebounding--is where he falls way short in my book..He's a really hard guy to evaluate--sometimes his reaction/timing looks good (alley oops, offensive rebound dunks) but most of the time it looks terrible (he just doesn't pursue rebounds like you'd like to see, block shots like we need)..I think he actually plays too soft for a guy that big..I'd like him to play bigger, meaner, tougher..Hard to explain...Anyone feel me on this? He just looks way overmatched in the NBA..Even in his breakout performance against Detroit a few games back I still felt the same way..Dude just doesn't do it for me, sorry to say..On paper it looks like he could be a great compliment to Amar'e and make up for his shortcomings but that's not how it translates on the court..

Moz is still learning but i agree if he wants to be a viable fulltime starter, he needs to learn how to box out & defend the paint... definitely does play soft for a guy his size, he needs to be more physical downlow... seems a bit timid when going after boards & bodying up on guys in the paint at times... i think it's obvious he's still experiencing some of that "afraid to make a mistake" syndrome when he's on the floor.

He definitely still has some nerves. I said to my son during last night's game: I want Moz to gain 20 lbs of muscle this summer. He needs to get some drunk-Russian attitude going. He's too soft in his body AND in his attitude. He needs to bump mufuhs outta the way and grab boards.

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2/10/2011  11:42 AM
TMS wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Yeah, you're the standard of excellence of this forum so you really shouldn't be hearing it from "posters like me". But I said it anyway. Oh well.

Not interested in advancing this any further. I said my piece and I stick by it.

And btw, there is no ignore feature.

dude, we're talking about legitimate issues here if u don't care to participate then don't... stop lecturing to people what they should be talking about after a Knicks loss & save your emo rantings for someone else. thanks.

Ignore Feature:
Forum Settings -> Ignored Users -> Add User -> click

go away

Hey look, you're insulting and arguing with people. This is so shocking.

Thank you for introducing me to the feature. I will put it to good use for sure.

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2/10/2011  12:02 PM
NYKBocker wrote:This team goes as Felton goes. This is what an MDA SSOL team will do. When we were making our run, Clyde was pleasantly surprised when they were going to Gallo. He said that...wow, knicks playing smart and feeding the hot hand. Which was Gallo. Then I noticed that Felton was not in. He comes in and Gallo sees the ball once in awhile. Felton really is approaching Dudu territory. He also had a couple of horrible PnR passes to Timo and Amare. Dang.

I am beginning to come to this conclusion too.

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