fishmike wrote:Dagger wrote:fishmike wrote:franco12 wrote:fishmike wrote:Dagger wrote:fishmike wrote:just a litle perspective in Knick land... as THjr has taken over Landry's status of next superstar.Fields may yet get his groove back and be a good NBA player, but between the injuries and ineffective play he's making Shandon Anderson consider a comeback.
we all liked him... but perspective.
This team will continue to be a sloppy mess until we get a floor general. We need a PG above all else.
They have very different skills, what are you trying to say, that any player that seem a to have potential can become a scrub? THJR is a bright spot in a horrid season, so people like to talk about him, I don't think expectations are that ridiculous for him.
what are those? Because a two way PG with Lowry's skill set look like a far more important piece than what THjr projects to be.In fact... THjr's best possible upside is Allan Houston or Reggie Miller... and there is a LOT LOT LOT of ground to cover before he sniffs those guy's jocks. Having a skill set and impacting NBA games are two very different category of things we are talking
regardless of what THjr's potential is - the reason I hesitate at trading him, and to some extent Shump as well, is that this organization has forever been trading its youth, picks for 'established' players to help in the here and now.
And that has gotten us nowhere.
Just think if the Knicks had been barred from trading picks and youth away, and they had to keep players forever - how much better would we be right now, and how much brighter our prospects for improving? Go back 10 years, or 5.
Dolan claims to be patient. But he is not been. He certainly lacks foresight, and I wonder if he has ever reflected on past moves his team of yes people has made, and if he looks in the mirror, what he sees...
I totally agree with you. 100%. That being said there are certainly times when trading picks or young players for better or more established ones makes sense.I look at this team and I see all the players devalued and the team playing poorly because of the dreadful guard play. I reminds me of when we thought Tony Douglas or a gimpy Baron Davis can hold down point. They couldnt and look at how well we played after Lin came in, even after Linsanity was over and he just a regular staring PG and we had that sick run post-MDA.
No picks or THjr for Teague. But Lowry? Thats a different category of player in my opinion. Worth a risk
Lowry is playing well in a contract year, he's been an average player his whole career. You're set on trading THJR for a player with no all-star selections and career averages of 10 points and 5 assists prior to this season. A player on a team with no leverage in trade negotiations that only traded Gary Forbes and a future first round pick to get him in the first place. Why would we give up a pick and THJR in a deal for him. Maybe you're not high on THJR but I don't think it's a big stretch to say he will have at least 1 all-star selection throughout his entire career, which would be more than savior Kyle Lowry has. Lowry has all the signs of a guy that will regress next year to a mediocre point guard once he makes his money. That reality, coupled with Toronto's weak position in trade negotiations, is good reason to hold off on giving two valuable assets away for him. This season is already lost, and, if Lowry is not a rental, then he signs for what 10 million a year? That would majorly cut into our 2015 cap flexibility.
what signs? When was the last time you saw him play? I dont see this at all so if you can add some color go for it, because everything I have heard, read or seen points to a player who is breaking out, and at 27 years old thats not unusual for a PG. He's done all this before, and he's not just putting up #s. He's got the Raps winning games.THjr makes an all star game? Based on what?
I admit I don't watch the raptors very often, so maybe you see something in the games I haven't. However, I look at his numbers after 7(?) years in the league and the fact that he's gone in and out of back-up roles and I'm not impressed. Like I said his numbers before this year are very pedestrian. As for the signs that he will likely regress that you asked about I mean 1) his poor numbers in pretty much every year since he's been in the league besides this season 2) he's playing in a contract year for the only big payday he will get in his career at this point 3) he's putting up good numbers on a bad team 4) as he gets older it will only get harder for him to maintain and improve his game, if he couldn't consistently perform well with a young body how will he look once he gets on the other side of 30?
I respect your opinion that he's a good player, but we're arguing about hypotheticals: you think it's him breaking out and I think it's a fluke year, no one knows for sure how he will look next year. Maybe I'll watch a few raptors games and change my tune a bit but I remain skeptical when trying to assess a player for half a year's play when his body of work betrays his apparent value. As for THJR, I agree that to get more minutes he needs to get his assists and rebounds up and refine his defense, but I see a player that can shoot and finish so I think it's a matter of him getting his dribble down to take the next step and become a versatile scorer.
I also dont think adding Lowry makes the Knicks anything close to a contender, way too many holes.
2/18/2014 3:40 PM