JohnWallace44 wrote:Look folks, I've been saying this for years, but the fact of the matter is that we have a passive, old, weak, sheety GM. He can't draft, can't evaluate, and those chickens have come home to roost. He's made lopsided deals to get rid of ZBo and Crawford, so what's changed? This is another lopsided deal to get rid of the final piece. Should he have made a move earlier so that a team like Houston didn't hold all the cards? Yup. Is he good enough to know that? Nope. Screwed the pooch on the 08 and the 09 draft, slept through Nate and Lee's deals at last year's deadline, slept through FA season this year... At least he knows what he has to do, and what he has to do is to clear enough space for two Max players.

Its tough, but what are you gonna do? At least the guy is facing up to it and doing what needs to be done at this point.

Now that the reality.
And let’s think what we have if we will not do anything with JJ contract and just approach the summer as it is.
We can sign Lee for 12 mils (he will not take less) and beg one FA to come and play with bad team for a year for a promise to get another man next year. Who will do this? Are these FAs and their agents idiots?
Or we can let Lee go for nothing together with Nate and try to conspire 2 FAs to come together to the team with absolutely nothing to wait for third guy for a year. What is the probability of this?
This is a dead end for Walsh and he has only 1 way out - gamble it all-in.

arkrud wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:Look folks, I've been saying this for years, but the fact of the matter is that we have a passive, old, weak, sheety GM. He can't draft, can't evaluate, and those chickens have come home to roost. He's made lopsided deals to get rid of ZBo and Crawford, so what's changed? This is another lopsided deal to get rid of the final piece. Should he have made a move earlier so that a team like Houston didn't hold all the cards? Yup. Is he good enough to know that? Nope. Screwed the pooch on the 08 and the 09 draft, slept through Nate and Lee's deals at last year's deadline, slept through FA season this year... At least he knows what he has to do, and what he has to do is to clear enough space for two Max players.

Its tough, but what are you gonna do? At least the guy is facing up to it and doing what needs to be done at this point.

Now that the reality.
And let’s think what we have if we will not do anything with JJ contract and just approach the summer as it is.
We can sign Lee for 12 mils (he will not take less) and beg one FA to come and play with bad team for a year for a promise to get another man next year. Who will do this? Are these FAs and their agents idiots?
Or we can let Lee go for nothing together with Nate and try to conspire 2 FAs to come together to the team with absolutely nothing to wait for third guy for a year. What is the probability of this?
This is a dead end for Walsh and he has only 1 way out - gamble it all-in.

going all in without even looking at the hand you're holding is a sucker bet

TMS wrote:what MDA wants, he gets... he's apparently pushing for the T-Mac trade cuz he seems to think adding him will revive this dead team & they can get back into the playoff hunt... apparently T-Mac will not impact the development of our young guys the way, say, an Allen Iverson would have.

TMS wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:Here's one thing about that story being leaked. It may be that the Knicks leaked that in order to get other teams to offer them something better for Jeffries and Hill.

that doesn't even begin to make sense... that only devalues Fishlips & Hill that much more to other teams eyes... who the hell would think about trading away lottery picks to get Tracy McGrady right now just to gain $10 mil in cap space other than the Knicks?

Their value is what it is. There's only days to go before the deadline. If Walsh thinks he's getting bent over, then all he can do is leak the deal and see if the phone rings with something better.

arkrud wrote:

TMS wrote:

arkrud wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:Look folks, I've been saying this for years, but the fact of the matter is that we have a passive, old, weak, sheety GM. He can't draft, can't evaluate, and those chickens have come home to roost. He's made lopsided deals to get rid of ZBo and Crawford, so what's changed? This is another lopsided deal to get rid of the final piece. Should he have made a move earlier so that a team like Houston didn't hold all the cards? Yup. Is he good enough to know that? Nope. Screwed the pooch on the 08 and the 09 draft, slept through Nate and Lee's deals at last year's deadline, slept through FA season this year... At least he knows what he has to do, and what he has to do is to clear enough space for two Max players.

Its tough, but what are you gonna do? At least the guy is facing up to it and doing what needs to be done at this point.

Now that the reality.
And let’s think what we have if we will not do anything with JJ contract and just approach the summer as it is.
We can sign Lee for 12 mils (he will not take less) and beg one FA to come and play with bad team for a year for a promise to get another man next year. Who will do this? Are these FAs and their agents idiots?
Or we can let Lee go for nothing together with Nate and try to conspire 2 FAs to come together to the team with absolutely nothing to wait for third guy for a year. What is the probability of this?
This is a dead end for Walsh and he has only 1 way out - gamble it all-in.

going all in without even looking at the hand you're holding is a sucker bet

So who we exactly are - the sucker organization. Don't you know this?

the entire point to hiring Donnie Walsh & MDA was to come in & change the culture of failure that Layden & Isiah had established here in NY... if we go & make a deal like this, what exactly has changed? are we EVER going to learn from the mistakes of the past & go a different route?

again i'm not gonna piss my pants until this trade goes down if it goes down at all, but i'm just saying it better not go down if this is the deal.

JohnWallace44 wrote:

TMS wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:Here's one thing about that story being leaked. It may be that the Knicks leaked that in order to get other teams to offer them something better for Jeffries and Hill.

that doesn't even begin to make sense... that only devalues Fishlips & Hill that much more to other teams eyes... who the hell would think about trading away lottery picks to get Tracy McGrady right now just to gain $10 mil in cap space other than the Knicks?

Their value is what it is. There's only days to go before the deadline. If Walsh thinks he's getting bent over, then all he can do is leak the deal and see if the phone rings with something better.

Do you know any team which needs anything we have?
Did you hear any rumors about anybody approching Knicks for anything?
We are the beggers and we have nothing to give back.

JohnWallace44 wrote:

TMS wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:Here's one thing about that story being leaked. It may be that the Knicks leaked that in order to get other teams to offer them something better for Jeffries and Hill.

that doesn't even begin to make sense... that only devalues Fishlips & Hill that much more to other teams eyes... who the hell would think about trading away lottery picks to get Tracy McGrady right now just to gain $10 mil in cap space other than the Knicks?

Their value is what it is. There's only days to go before the deadline. If Walsh thinks he's getting bent over, then all he can do is leak the deal and see if the phone rings with something better.

that's retarded (not u, the leaking the info to raise their value part)... if i'm another GM & learn about this deal then any expiring contracts the Knicks want from me i am going to demand young assets & try to milk some draft picks out of them in the process.

TMS wrote:

arkrud wrote:

TMS wrote:

arkrud wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:Look folks, I've been saying this for years, but the fact of the matter is that we have a passive, old, weak, sheety GM. He can't draft, can't evaluate, and those chickens have come home to roost. He's made lopsided deals to get rid of ZBo and Crawford, so what's changed? This is another lopsided deal to get rid of the final piece. Should he have made a move earlier so that a team like Houston didn't hold all the cards? Yup. Is he good enough to know that? Nope. Screwed the pooch on the 08 and the 09 draft, slept through Nate and Lee's deals at last year's deadline, slept through FA season this year... At least he knows what he has to do, and what he has to do is to clear enough space for two Max players.

Its tough, but what are you gonna do? At least the guy is facing up to it and doing what needs to be done at this point.

Now that the reality.
And let’s think what we have if we will not do anything with JJ contract and just approach the summer as it is.
We can sign Lee for 12 mils (he will not take less) and beg one FA to come and play with bad team for a year for a promise to get another man next year. Who will do this? Are these FAs and their agents idiots?
Or we can let Lee go for nothing together with Nate and try to conspire 2 FAs to come together to the team with absolutely nothing to wait for third guy for a year. What is the probability of this?
This is a dead end for Walsh and he has only 1 way out - gamble it all-in.

going all in without even looking at the hand you're holding is a sucker bet

So who we exactly are - the sucker organization. Don't you know this?

the entire point to hiring Donnie Walsh & MDA was to come in & change the culture of failure that Layden & Isiah had established here in NY... if we go & make a deal like this, what exactly has changed? are we EVER going to learn from the mistakes of the past & go a different route?

again i'm not gonna piss my pants until this trade goes down if it goes down at all, but i'm just saying it better not go down if this is the deal.

So you think to do nothing and go into FA summer "as it is" is a much better proposition?

Given that assumption, you have to do anything to make sure you have the best shot at LeBron, especially when getting one of them pretty much guaranteed a parade down the canyon of heroes.

The Cavs are jumping through all the hoops to keep him. How do we get him by just standing pat? That doesn't really make sense. The PR spin that has to be put on this, is "hey look at the Knicks, they're doing everything they possibly can to get LeBron." That's the spin that's been put on Cleveland's moves, and we need to match it.

CrushAlot wrote:

TMS wrote:what MDA wants, he gets... he's apparently pushing for the T-Mac trade cuz he seems to think adding him will revive this dead team & they can get back into the playoff hunt... apparently T-Mac will not impact the development of our young guys the way, say, an Allen Iverson would have.

You must mean Toney Douglas. The guy taken over Blair and Buddinger.

Gallo too... & i have a big suspicion that a big part of why we passed up on Jennings is because MDA didn't want a ball dominating shoot first PG to run his offense, probably a reason why we passed up on signing AI this year too for that matter