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6/15/2009  10:10 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
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Yes yes, safe picks but safe keeps you employed.

It also keeps you from winnings NBA championships, if you're going to go all safe, all the time.

With that said, is there really a safe pick, besides Griffin, in this draft? Every player, including Thabeet, seems to have some major questions and concerns.

Just go with the guy you feel suits you best.

i say go w/the kid that impresses u the most w/his potential, period... drafting who suits ur team the best is a mistake IMO.

That's what I meant. I meant go for the guy that you feel is best. Otherwise, I generally agree.

sorry thought u meant draft for the system, which is sorta the way i'm getting the feeling that Donnie & MDA are looking to go right now... whatever, they both have probably forgotten more about basketball & judging NBA talent that i'll ever know, but i just don't wanna let a promising star potential guy go because we don't think he'll fit into our system well.
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6/15/2009  11:54 PM
i think houston very much has a say in whose drafted, who get signed as well.
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6/16/2009  1:18 AM
Posted by McK1:

i think houston very much has a say in whose drafted, who get signed as well.

Why do you say that? He's a glorified assistant coach at this point, for all we know.
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6/16/2009  1:24 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:
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i think houston very much has a say in whose drafted, who get signed as well.

Why do you say that? He's a glorified assistant coach at this point, for all we know.

because of how Walsh described his role
NEW YORK, November 7, 2008 – The New York Knickerbockers President of Basketball Operations Donnie Walsh announced today that Allan Houston has been named Assistant to the President for Basketball Operations.

"Allan has great knowledge and understanding of this league and our franchise, and I think he will be a tremendous asset to our front office in player development as he continues to learn and educate himself," Walsh said. “I have always respected Allan as a player and as a person, and I have been thoroughly impressed with the work he has put in with our organization."

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"I am honored and grateful that Donnie Walsh and the New York Knicks have trusted me with an opportunity to lend myself to serving this team and organization," Houston said. "To learn from someone who has built such a remarkable legacy is very exciting for me. Coach D'Antoni is one of the brightest minds in the game of basketball. Being around the game all of my life, I realize what an awesome opportunity we have to positively impact our fans, especially our youth. I am extremely blessed to have witnessed a special era in New York Knicks history, and I know basketball fans everywhere, especially Knick fans, are ready for the return of this franchise. Hopefully, I will serve in being a part of that again."

http://www.nba.com/knicks/news/houston_named_assistant_081107.html
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6/16/2009  1:48 AM
Jennings only real probably is he bad mouth the next "hope".



It's clear this kid is nothing like Marbury............. and to be fair, nobody even knew about Marbury until he got to the NBA. Jennings went to Europe and took it in stride, it didn't break nor did he alienate teammates nor was he a headache. He went to a league were he was faster and better then pretty much everybody he played against, but he still tried to do things the way the coach wanted. Nothing like Marbury at anytime in his career.
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6/16/2009  2:17 AM
Posted by Anji:

Jennings only real probably is he bad mouth the next "hope".



It's clear this kid is nothing like Marbury............. and to be fair, nobody even knew about Marbury until he got to the NBA. Jennings went to Europe and took it in stride, it didn't break nor did he alienate teammates nor was he a headache. He went to a league were he was faster and better then pretty much everybody he played against, but he still tried to do things the way the coach wanted. Nothing like Marbury at anytime in his career.

Not true, at all! That's laughable. The European leagues have pretty good com petition, and Jennings had horrible stats against this competition, including shooting 35% from the field-- I'm sure the coach would have let him shoot better.
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6/16/2009  2:26 AM
Only thing that you should be sure about is if Jennings were allowed to play 25-30 minutes a game he would be one of the best players in that at 18. Only thing that really held him back was he grew up in the states.
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6/16/2009  4:02 AM
Posted by Anji:

Jennings only real probably is he bad mouth the next "hope".

please, don't even take it there & make this a racial issue... that doesn't even merit discussion
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6/16/2009  11:59 PM
Jennings Italy footage

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6/17/2009  1:23 AM
i think it's obvious that he's 1 of the quickest & most explosive guys off the dribble among the PG prospects... also his long distance fadeaways remind me of Tim Hardaway in some ways... i think he'll do well in a pick & roll game, or a more wide open system like the one GS runs where he can run the floor & run amuck... IMO defense will be a big issue for him tho at his size especially cuz he's not built like Billups or Kidd where he can body up to bigger G's... any team that drafts him is also gonna need a great shotblocking presence like Tony Parker has in Duncan for their team to be successful IMO... he's of slight build like TJ Ford or Terrell Brandon... i'd be worried how he'll hold up to contact & the daily bruising he's gonna take in the NBA.
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6/17/2009  2:15 AM
Posted by McK1:

Jennings Italy footage


This was found at the bottom of the Jennings video- Rubio's interview with a reporter in Sacramento.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fML8NINtbQ&feature=player_embedded

Not the greatest interview because his English is not the best, and the interviewer was somewhat lame.

When asked about his playing he almost always spoke about assists and making teammates better. He made reference to one of his weaknesses as a player, when he mentioned how he thought he had improved his outside shooting by bringing up a stat on his 3pt shooting.

Seems like a nice KID- very young looking. Definitely in need of lifting program, but does not need anyone to tell him what it means to be a PG. Never took a swipe at any player during the interview- he was a total gentleman.

Given the kind of competitor he is on the court, the way he comports himself in an interview is somewhat refreshing- not even a hint of ego, attitude, or self-promotion.

I wish his agent/handlers had allowed him to at least do a private workout with the Kings, who usually let them be seen by others.
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6/17/2009  2:46 AM
i'm thinking more & more the Knicks are heavy & hard after Rubio... the fact that he didn't work out for SAC seems to suggest there's another team picking after Sactown that's gonna be trading up to the top 3 to take that kid, & we've already heard rumblings that he doesn't want to play in MEM & his agent doesn't want him in OKL... then there's the issue of his buyout, & NY would seem to fit the market for him to come to where that won't be as much of an issue... he could probably make that back easily from endorsement deals... LAC is locked on w/Griffin most likely at #1... sounds like MEM will probably take Thabeet at #2.

i'm getting the feeling that NY & OKL will be making a draft day trade for Rubio to come to NY, especially if Jordan Hill falls to #8... MIN has the assets to move up w/the #6 & #18 picks, but not the market to appease his buyout issues, so i don't get the feeling it's them... of course GS could be the wildcard here if they move up to grab Rubio at #2 by using Monta Ellis as trade bait, but they're under pressure to win now so i don't think they'd be as willing to take on a young player that they'd have to wait a couple years to blossom... i think they'd be fine w/someone like Harden at #7.

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6/17/2009  9:41 AM
rubio in this interview:

I want to play on a young team where I know I'm going to get minutes

doesn't sound like he angling for NY

being a "pass-first" player will make rubio fit any system.

Brandon Jennings is the system.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-17-2009 09:51 AM]
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6/17/2009  12:50 PM
Posted by McK1:

rubio in this interview:

I want to play on a young team where I know I'm going to get minutes

doesn't sound like he angling for NY

being a "pass-first" player will make rubio fit any system.

Brandon Jennings is the system.

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-17-2009 09:51 AM]

From Hahn today. Supposed to be about T.Williams, but some stuff on Evans v Jennings. Both sounded like they did OK in the 3/3, and it must have been very competitive:
And a nugget someone shared with me this morning is that Williams has noticed several of the top 10 guards won't workout against him. Tyreke Evans was supposed to match up with him for the Knicks workout, but apparently Evans declined and instead accepted the workout that included scrawny Brandon Jennings. (And, by the way, I hear Jennings more than held his own against Evans in the three-on-three. Don't get me wrong, Evans did leave the Knicks impressed with his ability to shoot and his strong build, but Jennings' game-changing quickness and competitiveness might have been the top story coming out of that workout on Monday).

. . . As I said above, the word is that Tyreke Evans also had a good workout. I'd love to see the film from the scrimmage, with he and Brandon Jennings going head-to-head. It sounds like they really got after it. Jennings may not be big, but he is a fierce competitor. One element I wanted to highlight with him is that he also doesn't seem like he'll be a follower, which means you may not have to worry about him falling into bad habits from the influence of veterans. I don't get the same sense from Evans, who may be more the type that needs friends around him all the time and, therefore, would be easy prey in a losing culture that lacks solid leadership. Don't overlook that, Fixers. When you're trying to change a culture, you need more winners and less followers. That's the only way to break the spell . . .


By the way, I was not really commenting on the fact that Rubio is a "pass first" player and that is what we really need- I was looking at what he said about himself and what it tells you about him in terms of his BB philosophy and unselfishness as a player. I actually think that the Knicks may prefer Curry over Rubio because he can also shoot the ball.
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6/17/2009  7:38 PM

By MARC BERMAN

Not trying to confuse you, just letting you know KnicksNew York Knicks are finishing up their pre-draft workouts tomorrow with a solo act by DeMar DeRozan, the USC shooting guard whom I met during the Chicago combine and told me he can jump higher than Vince CarterVince Carter in his prime. I almost choked on my deep dish pizza.

DeRozan is an 8-range guy and the Knicks have considered him but think they have been too impressed by too many point guards, not just Stephen Curry, and the big Arizona power forward Jordan Hill, to make the leap. DeRozan is explosive but not the greatest outside shooter.

All the Knicks college scouts are coming to town tonight and the real draft meetings will begin as the Knicks rate their top 8. D'Antoni and Walsh have to hear all the liittle observations about all the guys they like.

As an aside regarding Ricky Rubio, don't see the Knicks trading up for him. One Knick person told me three weeks ago. "We need to know more about him.'' That never happened. Rubio skipped the Italian draft camp and is not working out in the States. Dan Fegan, the cutthroat agent, is either a genius or losing his kid money by having him fall. Knicks would like to meet with him next week when he's in town.

Buzz up!Posted by Marc Berman on June 17, 2009 4:24 PM

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Thanks for the update, Berman. I never thought I'd say this but keep up the good work. Got a long way to go before you catch up to Hahn but I appreciate the recent consistency.


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6/17/2009  8:09 PM
As a complete aside, Rubio is going to ride so much punani if he comes to NY its not even funny. Every milf in towns gonna be adopting him, and every daddy issues chick is gonna try and nurture him. Kids seriously gonna break record. Wilt eat your heart out.
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6/17/2009  8:47 PM
Posted by firefly:

As a complete aside, Rubio is going to ride so much punani if he comes to NY its not even funny. Every milf in towns gonna be adopting him, and every daddy issues chick is gonna try and nurture him. Kids seriously gonna break record. Wilt eat your heart out.

Nah, he's going to be the Spanish reincarnation of A.C. Green.
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6/17/2009  8:52 PM
Posted by Paladin55:
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As a complete aside, Rubio is going to ride so much punani if he comes to NY its not even funny. Every milf in towns gonna be adopting him, and every daddy issues chick is gonna try and nurture him. Kids seriously gonna break record. Wilt eat your heart out.

Nah, he's going to be the Spanish reincarnation of A.C. Green.

Dude, hes Spanish!! Hes gonna share it around till it turns green.
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6/18/2009  9:24 AM
Im not really in favor of drafting someone who is 6-1 170 BUT after Curry I do know that Jennings does have the combination of being a jet with elite level athleticism and proven past first PG skills. That being said I would seriously look at trade down scenarios---we are a smallish team. Finding some nice big strong athletes with solid upside and getting rid of Jefferies to me is a legitimate option.
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6/18/2009  9:36 AM
and given jennings age, he can fill out as his metabolism slows with age, and he is put on a good workout plan/diet. it's not as if all thinner folks turn out to be shawn bradley.

camby, kg, and bosh were rail thin when they came in.

kenny anderson was thin, but he was a very good player for a bit.

tony parker is 6 2" 180.

chris paul is 6'0 175.

and these guys are all older than jennings.

the thing is all three of the guards i listed are all similar in terms of having a lot of quickness/athletic ability. jennings is a better passer than parker, who also had a pretty suspect shot for much of his career.
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