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buddapaw
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2/27/2009  10:16 PM
Posted by KnicksSince88:

Chris Duhon = Garbage

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2/27/2009  10:19 PM
Is there anyone left here who wishes to defend Duhon at this point? He's one of the worst starting PGs in the league. We really need to find a way to use him in a much more limited capacity. Playing someone like Chris Duhon 37-38 minutes a night consistently hurts your basketball team. Hes just not any good. A backup role player who should be playing 20 minutes a night at best
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2/27/2009  10:20 PM
Posted by KnicksSince88:

Is there anyone left here who wishes to defend Duhon at this point? He's one of the worst starting PGs in the league. We really need to find a way to use him in a much more limited capacity. Playing someone like Chris Duhon 37-38 minutes a night consistently hurts your basketball team. Hes just not any good. A backup role player who should be playing 20 minutes a night at best

TMS hasn't check in yet. He'll give it the old college try.

MDA needs some help trying to Duhon by himself.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 02-27-2009 10:21 PM]
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2/27/2009  10:23 PM
The thing that really made me nuts tonight other than his turnovers, bad defense, horrible shooting, was how many open looks he passed up. For an NBA player, there are times he displays such little confidence in his own game. Philly was daring him to take shots and he passed up a ton of them. You can't let teams get away with that.
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2/27/2009  10:25 PM
I missed this game. Only the second one all season I've missed. It's probably a good thing.

So we're back to 10 under .500 with 24 to go, 14 of which are on the road.

Yikes.

Any bright spots worth mentioning?
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2/27/2009  10:27 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Do moral victories count in D'Antoni's "40"?

Right now the Knicks have a perfect record. In moral victories. Do they give out a championship trophy for moral victories because at this moment the Knicks have to be the favorites to win it.

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2/27/2009  10:28 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by islesfan:


"Yeah, I'm worried about it at this point," D'Antoni said when asked about potential surgery. "We're just going to do what's best for him. He's 20 years old. We'd love for him to play in the next two or three weeks, we'd love for him to play in the next two or three months, but he's got to be 100 percent well. From that point, we'll see. And I don't know when that point will be."

I'm pretty sure that if Gallinari is still injured but being allowed to play, we aren't going to be the ones destroying him.


Thank you.

It's obviously a figure of speech or turn of phrase. If they weren't going to play him until he was 100% why would they feel the need to see how it goes from there? He probably meant until he was cleared to play (obviously at reduced minutes) or a decision was made that surgery would not be done this season, etc.

But instead of being realistic, at the moment he said that and Gallo got a minute or two on the floor you decided the Kid was in fact 100% and you could judge him against every other rookie in the league in order to prove the pick was botched.

It's not that the quote was so loaded with meaning, it was just an opportunity for you to add to your arsenal. From that point on you weren't limited to solely bashing him for being damaged goods, then you could argue he's fatally damaged and/or he sucks.

Or more likely, by "from that point", he's saying that it could be months from now and he's a rookie, so to talk about how he would eventually be worked in would be incredibly premature.

So how much longer are you and others going to use his injury as a crutch?
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2/27/2009  10:30 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by islesfan:

Do moral victories count in D'Antoni's "40"?

Right now the Knicks have a perfect record. In moral victories. Do they give out a championship trophy for moral victories because at this moment the Knicks have to be the favorites to win it.

Favorites? The Knicks are second to none. The Clippers are a distant second. Once again the Knicks will own the crown even with a new coach.
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2/27/2009  10:38 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by islesfan:


"Yeah, I'm worried about it at this point," D'Antoni said when asked about potential surgery. "We're just going to do what's best for him. He's 20 years old. We'd love for him to play in the next two or three weeks, we'd love for him to play in the next two or three months, but he's got to be 100 percent well. From that point, we'll see. And I don't know when that point will be."

I'm pretty sure that if Gallinari is still injured but being allowed to play, we aren't going to be the ones destroying him.


Thank you.

It's obviously a figure of speech or turn of phrase. If they weren't going to play him until he was 100% why would they feel the need to see how it goes from there? He probably meant until he was cleared to play (obviously at reduced minutes) or a decision was made that surgery would not be done this season, etc.

But instead of being realistic, at the moment he said that and Gallo got a minute or two on the floor you decided the Kid was in fact 100% and you could judge him against every other rookie in the league in order to prove the pick was botched.

It's not that the quote was so loaded with meaning, it was just an opportunity for you to add to your arsenal. From that point on you weren't limited to solely bashing him for being damaged goods, then you could argue he's fatally damaged and/or he sucks.

Or more likely, by "from that point", he's saying that it could be months from now and he's a rookie, so to talk about how he would eventually be worked in would be incredibly premature.

So how much longer are you and others going to use his injury as a crutch?

isles, it's kind like how your position on the marbury situation went from "why is walsh talking about buying him out when his expiring contract is such a great asset to the team" to "why isn't walsh buying out marbury he's such a distraction he should have been bought out before training camp" to you rooting for marbury tonight. people's opinions change over time.
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2/27/2009  10:39 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by islesfan:

Do moral victories count in D'Antoni's "40"?

Right now the Knicks have a perfect record. In moral victories. Do they give out a championship trophy for moral victories because at this moment the Knicks have to be the favorites to win it.

Favorites? The Knicks are second to none. The Clippers are a distant second. Once again the Knicks will own the crown even with a new coach.

i would consider tonight a loss on every single level imaginable. who is trying to make this out to be a moral victory?
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2/27/2009  10:56 PM
Worst think D'Antoni could have done is set a goal of 40 for the Knicks. What happened to taking it a game at a time. Doing something like that sets the team up for failure. Put it simply Knicks can't handle goals. Knicks aren't good enough to look past any games much less look to 40 wins.
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2/27/2009  11:00 PM
why aren't we tanking again? oh yeah, so we can finish with 35 wins & get that all important 11th pick in the lottery.
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2/27/2009  11:07 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by islesfan:


"Yeah, I'm worried about it at this point," D'Antoni said when asked about potential surgery. "We're just going to do what's best for him. He's 20 years old. We'd love for him to play in the next two or three weeks, we'd love for him to play in the next two or three months, but he's got to be 100 percent well. From that point, we'll see. And I don't know when that point will be."

I'm pretty sure that if Gallinari is still injured but being allowed to play, we aren't going to be the ones destroying him.


Thank you.

It's obviously a figure of speech or turn of phrase. If they weren't going to play him until he was 100% why would they feel the need to see how it goes from there? He probably meant until he was cleared to play (obviously at reduced minutes) or a decision was made that surgery would not be done this season, etc.

But instead of being realistic, at the moment he said that and Gallo got a minute or two on the floor you decided the Kid was in fact 100% and you could judge him against every other rookie in the league in order to prove the pick was botched.

It's not that the quote was so loaded with meaning, it was just an opportunity for you to add to your arsenal. From that point on you weren't limited to solely bashing him for being damaged goods, then you could argue he's fatally damaged and/or he sucks.

Or more likely, by "from that point", he's saying that it could be months from now and he's a rookie, so to talk about how he would eventually be worked in would be incredibly premature.

That too is a reasonable interpretation that in no way means that the second he's put in a game it means he's 100%
So how much longer are you and others going to use his injury as a crutch?

What crutch? I don't even participate in the conversations that try to "settle once and for all" what kind of player he is or will become. I simply watched his rate of recovery and understood that nothing had dramatically changed between when they started giving him minutes and the two weeks prior when things still hurt and were stiff. I understood that they were giving things a try to monitor whether he got better, worse or stayed the same. I'm sure you did too, in spite of playing the angles.

Let me ask this of you, since you're certain he's 100%, are you now saying he's not damaged goods? Or are you hoping that he is damaged and the playing time will insure he never recovers so you can crucify D'Antoni with it?

And what is your crucial point here, that D'Antoni is a particularly untrustworthy and mendacious person? Or he's an inane fool without a clue?

Would other coaches and GMs would be treating the situation much differently? How differently would you be treating it? What IS the point?

[Edited by - blueseats on 02-27-2009 11:10 PM]
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2/27/2009  11:13 PM
at least Hughes broke out of his rusty shooting funk tonight... 25 pts on 9 of 16 shooting... told u this guy can score the ball.
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2/28/2009  9:31 AM
Wow, things have changed around here! (And by changed I mean stayed pretty much the same).

It was only a matter of time before Duhon showed he is a good bench player with inflated numbers. If I recall, earlier in the season, Duhon was a great steal, a leader, a glue player, etc. NOw that we see who he really is, we're killing him.


Give the guy a break. We're the ones who pumped him up to consider himsomething that he isn't. we do this with every coach, player and GM. And when it ends up they are not the savior of the world, we turn on them and crucify them.

And by "we", I mean "you".

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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2/28/2009  9:34 AM
Posted by TMS:

why aren't we tanking again? oh yeah, so we can finish with 35 wins & get that all important 11th pick in the lottery.

Because tanking is not a winning strategy. Please just check out exhibit a, the 2007-2008 Knicks season and subsequent #6 draft pick!

If tanking worked so well, every team who was not a contender would do it. The smart thing to do is play to win and hope for some luck if you are in the lottery.

oohah


Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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2/28/2009  10:11 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by TMS:

why aren't we tanking again? oh yeah, so we can finish with 35 wins & get that all important 11th pick in the lottery.

Because tanking is not a winning strategy. Please just check out exhibit a, the 2007-2008 Knicks season and subsequent #6 draft pick!

If tanking worked so well, every team who was not a contender would do it. The smart thing to do is play to win and hope for some luck if you are in the lottery.

oohah

If you recall Isiah won some games towards the end. So the full tank job wasn't on.

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2/28/2009  10:22 AM
Posted by K22:

I missed this game. Only the second one all season I've missed. It's probably a good thing.

So we're back to 10 under .500 with 24 to go, 14 of which are on the road.

Yikes.

Any bright spots worth mentioning?

LOL Me too, co-sign, and no. It's over. Probably was after we lost those 6 in a row again but we just didn't want to accept that.

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2/28/2009  10:25 AM
Posted by Vmart:


If you recall Isiah won some games towards the end. So the full tank job wasn't on.

I disagree. Those were just accidental victories. The Knicks loss 19 of their last 25, and 31 out of their last 41.

oohah


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2/28/2009  10:28 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Vmart:


If you recall Isiah won some games towards the end. So the full tank job wasn't on.

I disagree. Those were just accidental victories. The Knicks loss 19 of their last 25, and 31 out of their last 41.

oohah


That was the players quitting. You're not tanking when you're giving your best players major minutes.
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