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2/22/2009  5:36 PM
i thought Duhon shot the ball well early on, & most of his early TO's were a direct result of good switches on defense off the pick & roll & in the passing lanes by the Raptors, they weren't of the careless error variety like stepping on the sidelines or losing the handle while dribbling for example... to be fair i did notice Duhon trying to force the issue inside to Lee on a couple of those passes when the defender had already established position, so he needed to do a better job of recognition there.

Duhon's not a perfect player, he's gonna have struggles in some games, & in others he can play great... same goes for everyone else on this team... judging players based on every good & bad game they have is silly.
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2/22/2009  6:07 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Gus is being a huge homer as usual. If Bosh was on the Knicks he'd call him a superstar.

agreed... i never heard Gus talk the smack about Zach Randolph when he was on this team that he was talking about Bosh today & Bosh is a better player than Zach any day of the week, much less how much he was gushing over Eddy Curry a couple years back... Chris Bosh not a max player? if a young just coming into his prime super athletic 23 & 10 guy who blocks shots, can run the floor, handle the ball & shoot from the perimeter isn't a max player i don't know what is... if the Knicks ever were lucky enough to sign Bosh to a max contract Gus Johnson would be going on & on about how great it was to bring the first true franchise bigman since Patrick Ewing into the fold, u can bet on that.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-22-2009 3:08 PM]
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2/22/2009  6:44 PM
Anybody notice that Chandler scored 2 points today? What's up with that???

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2/22/2009  6:47 PM
Posted by Rookie:

I guess Duhon's turnovers, Chandler's and N8's cold shooting or our horrible transition defense had nothing to do with the loss.

Of course they did but if you're asking players to be perfect or always put up their average it's just not right.

The defense, or total lack thereof, is what put this game in the Raptor's hands. That was the glaring mistake in the game. Every single 3 pointer made was a wide open shot. Several deep 2's were wide open shots. And they hit them. Several completely uncontested slowly developing layups as well - maybe as many as five. You're talking around 40 points of completely uncontested defense given up. That's where the Knicks lost the game.
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2/22/2009  6:49 PM
Posted by Rookie:

Anybody notice that Chandler scored 2 points today? What's up with that???

He had nothing. Simple as that he had nothing. He was soft, slow, lazy, and completely off target. Oh, and early on the Raptors made it clear they were going to pay attention to him. He quickly faded away.
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2/22/2009  7:58 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
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I guess Duhon's turnovers, Chandler's and N8's cold shooting or our horrible transition defense had nothing to do with the loss.

Of course they did but if you're asking players to be perfect or always put up their average it's just not right.

The defense, or total lack thereof, is what put this game in the Raptor's hands. That was the glaring mistake in the game. Every single 3 pointer made was a wide open shot. Several deep 2's were wide open shots. And they hit them. Several completely uncontested slowly developing layups as well - maybe as many as five. You're talking around 40 points of completely uncontested defense given up. That's where the Knicks lost the game.

Didn't we score below our season average? We were outplayed and some of our key players didn't show up. It was an afternoon game in an arena where we haven't had any wins in a long time. The campaign of a few to hang the loss on MDA and Hughes, well, just sounds like there's more to go around than that. That's all
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2/22/2009  8:12 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:

MDA's job is to coach to win games, bottomline... if he feels that playing Gallo more minutes will give him a better chance to win right now, that's what he'll do... if he feels Gallo still needs more developing, then he'll go w/other guys til he deems Gallo is ready to take on a bigger role... that doesn't mean he places no importance on the rebuild & solely focused on making a push for the playoffs... i'm sure he's trying to do both at the same time... there's no set formula for a coach to give out minutes in every game... sometimes a player is playing well & warrants more, sometimes he doesn't... unless u're an established star player in the NBA u'r not always guaranteed a certain amount of minutes every single game... it varies sometimes from 1 game to another, with young developing players the variance is a lot more than on more experienced ones... u have to expect this... Gallo's gonna take some time to grow into the player he might be someday as most 19 yo players do when they hit the NBA.

How can his opinion on players change so drastically? One game they deserve to start and the next there's a pecking order that explains a DNP-CD?

That's not coaching, that's flying by the seat of your pants.

I dont think so, basically adding Hughes and Wilcox gives him 2 vets round of his rotation as oppposed to rounding of his rotation with an unprepared Gallo.
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2/22/2009  9:45 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Didn't DJ say he was going to this game?

yeah. just got back from toronto a little while ago. toronto is a great city - alot of fun. went to the game - good win.
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2/22/2009  9:49 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Chris Bosh- wow that was awful

Bargs has been unstoppable

bosh is gutting it out. he has a sprained knee and a bone bruise. of course gus johnson probably has no clue about that. bargs hasn't learned how to play yet. he's still working on his post game and doesn't finish great when driving but he draws fouls and he's getting better at it. when i said he would average 40ppg under d'antoni, i wasn't joking. how about the 2 blocks?

if they re-sign marion, the raps are just a tweak or two away from being really good. parker is too old for that SG spot. when he plays like this, they win. but that doesn't happen too often.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-22-2009 9:51 PM]
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2/23/2009  12:39 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by VDesai:

Chris Bosh- wow that was awful

Bargs has been unstoppable

bosh is gutting it out. he has a sprained knee and a bone bruise. of course gus johnson probably has no clue about that. bargs hasn't learned how to play yet. he's still working on his post game and doesn't finish great when driving but he draws fouls and he's getting better at it. when i said he would average 40ppg under d'antoni, i wasn't joking. how about the 2 blocks?

if they re-sign marion, the raps are just a tweak or two away from being really good. parker is too old for that SG spot. when he plays like this, they win. but that doesn't happen too often.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-22-2009 9:51 PM]

dj, I think Gus was refering to Bosh's career to date. He is a very good player but he doesn't seem to have the ability to put his team on his back and lead them past the first round of the playoffs. As a rookie Wade demonstrated he was capable of doing this and Lebron led his team to finals. I think he was talking about the class of 2003 in retrospective and where Bosh stands. I also compare Bosh to Ewing and KG to judge his performances. I think Bosh needs to crank it up like he did at the beginning of the season and I also think he has went into full Vince Carter mode.
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2/23/2009  12:51 AM
there's only 4 young players that are able to carry a team: lebron, wade, paul, dwight.

but that's not the definition of "max" player. bosh is 24 and still developing. yes, he's not in elite class, but in terms of marketability, age, position and skillset, he is a "max" player. he has alot of flaws...but in the nba salary structure, he gets the max.

and let's not forget the team won 47 games 2 years ago and made the playoffs. and won 41 last year (while he missed 12 games). this was a down year but nothing has gone right for them since the start of the season. and this is without having a good scoring wing player.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-23-2009 01:08 AM]
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2/23/2009  1:56 AM
Posted by Rookie:

Anybody notice that Chandler scored 2 points today? What's up with that???

young players have a tendency to do that while they're developing in the NBA... many veterans do too... 1 game they look like superstars, the next they're invisible... i wouldn't read too much into that... Chandler's development seems to be going quite well overall.
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2/23/2009  1:58 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

dj, I think Gus was refering to Bosh's career to date. He is a very good player but he doesn't seem to have the ability to put his team on his back and lead them past the first round of the playoffs.

the exact same stuff was said about KG for several years during his early career.
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2/23/2009  9:42 AM
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I guess Duhon's turnovers, Chandler's and N8's cold shooting or our horrible transition defense had nothing to do with the loss.

Of course they did but if you're asking players to be perfect or always put up their average it's just not right.

The defense, or total lack thereof, is what put this game in the Raptor's hands. That was the glaring mistake in the game. Every single 3 pointer made was a wide open shot. Several deep 2's were wide open shots. And they hit them. Several completely uncontested slowly developing layups as well - maybe as many as five. You're talking around 40 points of completely uncontested defense given up. That's where the Knicks lost the game.

Didn't we score below our season average? We were outplayed and some of our key players didn't show up. It was an afternoon game in an arena where we haven't had any wins in a long time. The campaign of a few to hang the loss on MDA and Hughes, well, just sounds like there's more to go around than that. That's all

Don't you feel if we had just guarded even half those wide open 3s and deep 2s that we win the game? We gave them 10-12 wide open deep shots and they made every single one. Even if they go 50%, which is amazing for 21 feet and beyond in a game, we win the game. Not to mention the absurd four-consecutive-uncontested-layups (was that third or early 4th Q) that went along with that. Again, defend half of all that, we win the game.

I know the offense was off at times but the defense was of the worst I've seen all year. More than one third of Toronto's points came in an atmosphere akin to shootaround!
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2/23/2009  3:04 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
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I guess Duhon's turnovers, Chandler's and N8's cold shooting or our horrible transition defense had nothing to do with the loss.

Of course they did but if you're asking players to be perfect or always put up their average it's just not right.

The defense, or total lack thereof, is what put this game in the Raptor's hands. That was the glaring mistake in the game. Every single 3 pointer made was a wide open shot. Several deep 2's were wide open shots. And they hit them. Several completely uncontested slowly developing layups as well - maybe as many as five. You're talking around 40 points of completely uncontested defense given up. That's where the Knicks lost the game.

Didn't we score below our season average? We were outplayed and some of our key players didn't show up. It was an afternoon game in an arena where we haven't had any wins in a long time. The campaign of a few to hang the loss on MDA and Hughes, well, just sounds like there's more to go around than that. That's all

Don't you feel if we had just guarded even half those wide open 3s and deep 2s that we win the game? We gave them 10-12 wide open deep shots and they made every single one. Even if they go 50%, which is amazing for 21 feet and beyond in a game, we win the game. Not to mention the absurd four-consecutive-uncontested-layups (was that third or early 4th Q) that went along with that. Again, defend half of all that, we win the game.

I know the offense was off at times but the defense was of the worst I've seen all year. More than one third of Toronto's points came in an atmosphere akin to shootaround!

• All five Raptors starters finished in double figures, and four of the five had double-doubles. Shawn Marion had 16 points and 15 rebounds, one board shy of his season-high.

• The Knicks have lost nine straight in Toronto, and 11 of 12 overall against the Raptors.

• New York scored 100 points for the 16th straight game but fell to 7-20 on the road.

It's always something. We don't play well on the road and we suck bad in Toronto.

[Edited by - Rookie on 02-23-2009 3:06 PM]
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2/23/2009  4:59 PM
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• All five Raptors starters finished in double figures, and four of the five had double-doubles. Shawn Marion had 16 points and 15 rebounds, one board shy of his season-high.

• The Knicks have lost nine straight in Toronto, and 11 of 12 overall against the Raptors.

• New York scored 100 points for the 16th straight game but fell to 7-20 on the road.

It's always something. We don't play well on the road and we suck bad in Toronto.

[Edited by - Rookie on 02-23-2009 3:06 PM]

Yeah, the bottom line is it blows, lol. One way or another we blew it.

Par for the course for a bad team though and we certainly are a bad team.
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