BTW whether we get two superstars or none, we will still have flexibility so yes, I DO understand. What you aren't grasping is that we could have gotten back more for Randolf.

Posted by Rookie:

BTW whether we get two superstars or none, we will still have flexibility so yes, I DO understand. What you aren't grasping is that we could have gotten back more for Randolf.

Please outline the teams that were lining for ZAchs services. And what or who was being offered?

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Panos:

Why get worked up over Camby? He won't be in the league by the time we land a free agent. If anything, I'll take Kaman.

That I dont understand. What in the world do we need MC for? Someone please explain this to me--hes going to be 35--do we expect to win the championship in the next two years--because he's going to be shot within two years.

Agree with this. We can't get worked up over Camby's value cause he's here for this year and next at best and we're not formulated to be contending in those 2 years.

Posted by Rookie:

This summer isn't now. Now is now, then was then...you get me now? Not a single game was played then. Nobody was injured then. No-one was in a close playoff race then. Randolf isn't a flash in the pan. He has consistently put up darn near close to 20/10 every year since 2003. He has three years on his contract and he's 27 years old. He's a physical player and an inside presence for a post up team. He blocks out and gets rebounds. He might not be a good defender or a locker room or glue guy, but he has proven that his problems are in the past and we gave him away for garbage. We still have the highest payroll in the NBA and not much to show for it. Young prospects, draft picks would all be nice commodities for a known durable 20/10 guy.

There's no guarantee that another team would have given us more, or even if the Clippers would have given us more had we waited, but we certainly didn't get equal value. You cap cap cap 2010 2010 2010 all you want, you will never convince me that Randolf isn't better than Thomas and a probable trade exemption.

You still have failed to answer the question. Why did Portland, who is doing damn well without him might I add, trade him for peanuts?

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 01-05-2009 8:06 PM]

Posted by McK1:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by Rookie:

This summer isn't now. Now is now, then was then...you get me now? Not a single game was played then. Nobody was injured then. No-one was in a close playoff race then. Randolf isn't a flash in the pan. He has consistently put up darn near close to 20/10 every year since 2003. He has three years on his contract and he's 27 years old. He's a physical player and an inside presence for a post up team. He blocks out and gets rebounds. He might not be a good defender or a locker room or glue guy, but he has proven that his problems are in the past and we gave him away for garbage. We still have the highest payroll in the NBA and not much to show for it. Young prospects, draft picks would all be nice commodities for a known durable 20/10 guy.

There's no guarantee that another team would have given us more, or even if the Clippers would have given us more had we waited, but we certainly didn't get equal value. You cap cap cap 2010 2010 2010 all you want, you will never convince me that Randolf isn't better than Thomas and a probable trade exemption.

You still have failed to answer the question. Why did Portland, who is doing damn well without him might I add, trade him for peanuts?

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 01-05-2009 8:06 PM]

they had Brandon Roy and Lamarcus Aldridge already in tow, then they won the Oden sweepstakes

Oh? But Lamarcus Aldridge is not putting up Zach stats. I thought Zach is an all-star?

Posted by McK1:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by Rookie:

This summer isn't now. Now is now, then was then...you get me now? Not a single game was played then. Nobody was injured then. No-one was in a close playoff race then. Randolf isn't a flash in the pan. He has consistently put up darn near close to 20/10 every year since 2003. He has three years on his contract and he's 27 years old. He's a physical player and an inside presence for a post up team. He blocks out and gets rebounds. He might not be a good defender or a locker room or glue guy, but he has proven that his problems are in the past and we gave him away for garbage. We still have the highest payroll in the NBA and not much to show for it. Young prospects, draft picks would all be nice commodities for a known durable 20/10 guy.

There's no guarantee that another team would have given us more, or even if the Clippers would have given us more had we waited, but we certainly didn't get equal value. You cap cap cap 2010 2010 2010 all you want, you will never convince me that Randolf isn't better than Thomas and a probable trade exemption.

You still have failed to answer the question. Why did Portland, who is doing damn well without him might I add, trade him for peanuts?

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 01-05-2009 8:06 PM]

they had Brandon Roy and Lamarcus Aldridge already in tow, then they won the Oden sweepstakes

Oh? But Lamarcus Aldridge is not putting up Zach stats.

he doesn't have to, Roy is

And Zach wouldn't allow Roy to do what he does now.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by Rookie:

This summer isn't now. Now is now, then was then...you get me now? Not a single game was played then. Nobody was injured then. No-one was in a close playoff race then. Randolf isn't a flash in the pan. He has consistently put up darn near close to 20/10 every year since 2003. He has three years on his contract and he's 27 years old. He's a physical player and an inside presence for a post up team. He blocks out and gets rebounds. He might not be a good defender or a locker room or glue guy, but he has proven that his problems are in the past and we gave him away for garbage. We still have the highest payroll in the NBA and not much to show for it. Young prospects, draft picks would all be nice commodities for a known durable 20/10 guy.

There's no guarantee that another team would have given us more, or even if the Clippers would have given us more had we waited, but we certainly didn't get equal value. You cap cap cap 2010 2010 2010 all you want, you will never convince me that Randolf isn't better than Thomas and a probable trade exemption.

You still have failed to answer the question. Why did Portland, who is doing damn well without him might I add, trade him for peanuts?

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 01-05-2009 8:06 PM]

they had Brandon Roy and Lamarcus Aldridge already in tow, then they won the Oden sweepstakes

Oh? But Lamarcus Aldridge is not putting up Zach stats.

he doesn't have to, Roy is

And Zach wouldn't allow Roy to do what he does now.

their personalities may have clashed but eric gordon got alot better when they added Zach

Posted by McK1:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by Rookie:

This summer isn't now. Now is now, then was then...you get me now? Not a single game was played then. Nobody was injured then. No-one was in a close playoff race then. Randolf isn't a flash in the pan. He has consistently put up darn near close to 20/10 every year since 2003. He has three years on his contract and he's 27 years old. He's a physical player and an inside presence for a post up team. He blocks out and gets rebounds. He might not be a good defender or a locker room or glue guy, but he has proven that his problems are in the past and we gave him away for garbage. We still have the highest payroll in the NBA and not much to show for it. Young prospects, draft picks would all be nice commodities for a known durable 20/10 guy.

There's no guarantee that another team would have given us more, or even if the Clippers would have given us more had we waited, but we certainly didn't get equal value. You cap cap cap 2010 2010 2010 all you want, you will never convince me that Randolf isn't better than Thomas and a probable trade exemption.

You still have failed to answer the question. Why did Portland, who is doing damn well without him might I add, trade him for peanuts?

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 01-05-2009 8:06 PM]

they had Brandon Roy and Lamarcus Aldridge already in tow, then they won the Oden sweepstakes

Oh? But Lamarcus Aldridge is not putting up Zach stats.

he doesn't have to, Roy is

And Zach wouldn't allow Roy to do what he does now.

their personalities may have clashed but eric gordon got alot better when they added Zach

LOL. Eric Gordon got a lot better? He got a lot better because he got playing time. He was riding the bench with Mobley playing 33+ mpg while starting for the Clips.

As for your original post, having Aldridge still doesn't explain why they got back junk for Zach. Aldridge was still unproven when the traded Randolph.

Why are people apologizing for Zach Randolph and why the Blazers traded him?

If he was SO good then you'd want to keep him and start Oden and Zach and have Aldridge coming in off the bench without missing a step. And don't try to rationalize they moved Zach so Roy could chuck shots.

Wow. People still can't understand the Zach situation? A PF who shoots 43% from the field, stagnates any and all offenses, is in it to get his despite being a good passer rarely passed, is most certainly mentally challenged given how he responds to any and all situations, and was traded for, get this, GARBAGE... TWICE!!!!

Frye and Francis (who was paid to never show up)

And now

Mobley and Tim Thomas


...And, when we turned down the Clipper offer of a flat out salary dump for Zach our next best offer? Darko and Jaric!!!

We should count our blessings the Clippers answered Donnie's second phone call to dump Zach!


Nobody in the modern age of basketball seems to understand what EMPTY STATS means. Anyone here old enough to remember Derrick Coleman? Great stats. Dominating player. His teams stunk up the joint. Specifically: The Hornets! When he was healthy? They were TERRIBLE. When he was injured (and he was out for long stretches) they suddenly THRIVED!

No coincidence here!

What else were we going to get for Zach Randolph exactly!? I'd really like to know. As would those who are upset at him being traded or what he was traded for so they'd actually have a basis for their argument. I wish you guys did. I'd really like to know what studs and multiple draft picks we missed out on here.

I'll never understand the love affair with Zach Randolph. Never.
I'll also never understand the love affair with the potential to win 38 games and sneak into the EC playoffs which was exactly where we were heading prior to that whirlwind day of 2010 expiring acquiring Donnie pulled off.