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Cosmic
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11/5/2008  10:03 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

oh, so i can decide zach was a +10 in the milwaukee game instead of the -10 he actually was? yes, it's more detailed which is cool, but it's still a plus/minus. i like it, but i don't think it's fundamentally different than a plus/minus stat. it's just far more detailed. which, again, cool. but a plus/minus will tell you the basic story.

i don't think either is complex enough to tell the whole story of the game, but whatever. theyre both useful.

Eh, you're over dramatizing it.

What I am saying is some sites will just say Zach was -10 for an entire game. This site lets you see each and every single aspect of a game. So you can see where he was, say, -90 for a spell... then, say, +50 for a spell.

And then you can see that maybe when he was -90 we only were down 5. Yet, when he was +50 we went up by 15.

So, in that, maybe he's -40, but in the end he was a part of the run that put us way ahead, so he wasn't REALLY as big a negative as these whacky formulas (ft+fg+stls-tos-fatness+loveappeal-baddressing+obamawinning-russiainvadinggeorgia+imdrunk-somerandomjerkrobbedabank = Zach -40) would lead you to believe.

You know, it lets YOU decide, not some clowns on some site that got it wrong.

82games.com has some of the best players in the game as absolute trash in their +/- and total scrubs in the top of their list. That's right? No, it's not, and sites like the one I showed you allows.....

YOU to make the call.

See what I mean?
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11/5/2008  10:04 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by EnySpree:
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This will be a long season. I don't see the better coaching at all yet. When is Nash coming here?

Knicks need more than Nash....they need amare too....he dropped 49pts tonight btw

Yeah I was glancing at it. Amare seems like he is much happier this season so far.

didn't see the game... i wonder if his knee is finally right?
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11/5/2008  10:05 PM
We win, I expected a win, just not ugly like that. Oh well, 2-2, take it for what it is - this system - we're going to win some lose some but we'll neither be a disgrace nor anything special.

Well, off to compiling the game files. Will post when done uploading - should be by midnight et.

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11/5/2008  10:05 PM
good thing Charlotte is bad
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11/5/2008  10:06 PM
Why do the Knicks do this to themselves? They always have to make it tough when they are in control. I'm with Breen, why don't the Knicks foul immediately? They almost lost the Miami game with that crap!!
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11/5/2008  10:07 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by crzymdups:

oh, so i can decide zach was a +10 in the milwaukee game instead of the -10 he actually was? yes, it's more detailed which is cool, but it's still a plus/minus. i like it, but i don't think it's fundamentally different than a plus/minus stat. it's just far more detailed. which, again, cool. but a plus/minus will tell you the basic story.

i don't think either is complex enough to tell the whole story of the game, but whatever. theyre both useful.

Eh, you're over dramatizing it.

What I am saying is some sites will just say Zach was -10 for an entire game. This site lets you see each and every single aspect of a game. So you can see where he was, say, -90 for a spell... then, say, +50 for a spell.

And then you can see that maybe when he was -90 we only were down 5. Yet, when he was +50 we went up by 15.

So, in that, maybe he's -40, but in the end he was a part of the run that put us way ahead, so he wasn't REALLY as big a negative as these whacky formulas (ft+fg+stls-tos-fatness+loveappeal-baddressing+obamawinning-russiainvadinggeorgia+imdrunk-somerandomjerkrobbedabank = Zach -40) would lead you to believe.

You know, it lets YOU decide, not some clowns on some site that got it wrong.

82games.com has some of the best players in the game as absolute trash in their +/- and total scrubs in the top of their list. That's right? No, it's not, and sites like the one I showed you allows.....

YOU to make the call.

See what I mean?

cosmic, i hear you i guess, but i mean if he's -90, he helped put them in a hole to start the game and if he finishes minus for the game, then some teammates helped him get back in the game - like tonight, Nate went crazy in the second quarter and made up zach's early mistakes (and provided a buffer for his later ones). anyway, i'll agree to disagree to disagree if you keep posting games
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11/5/2008  10:07 PM
It's only been 4 games of this team playing team ball and it's gonna take more time than that to show significant progress. I actually think they've done a very good job absorbing what MDA has taught them so far. Most of the time they make good passes, but just don't make the shots. None of our players knew how to play the team game coming into this season, so if you multiply how many guys have to learn to play this way it makes sense that they look sketchy at times.

Just be glad we can actually beat other lousy teams at this point. Considering we're playing without a center and our best player talent wise.
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11/5/2008  10:08 PM
I'm not sure Steve Nash would make this team substantially better. Sure, he'll create open shots. But someone has to hit those open shots. Maybe Nash gets the teamto the first round... but they'd get their asses kicked by Boston or Detroit or Cleveland and likely by Atlanta or Orlando.
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11/5/2008  10:12 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

LOL the knicks are so sad they made me a winner in the game picker. Im sure many picked a double digits win, but I sadly knew they would choke a big lead and make it close...

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11/5/2008  10:16 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I'm not sure Steve Nash would make this team substantially better. Sure, he'll create open shots. But someone has to hit those open shots. Maybe Nash gets the teamto the first round... but they'd get their asses kicked by Boston or Detroit or Cleveland and likely by Atlanta or Orlando.

Bring Amare with him too as Eny said. Because D'Antoni and his supporters can say all they want but so far D'Antoni is looking like the guy who coached that Nuggets team and his first year with the Suns when he didn't have Nash or a healthy Amare.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 11-05-2008 10:17 PM]
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11/5/2008  10:22 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I'm not sure Steve Nash would make this team substantially better. Sure, he'll create open shots. But someone has to hit those open shots. Maybe Nash gets the teamto the first round... but they'd get their asses kicked by Boston or Detroit or Cleveland and likely by Atlanta or Orlando.

Bring Amare with him too as Eny said. Because D'Antoni and his supporters can say all they want but so far D'Antoni is looking like the guy who coached that Nuggets team and his first year with the Suns when he didn't have Nash or a healthy Amare.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 11-05-2008 10:17 PM]

I agree with you there... the Knicks are 2-2, but with wins against the Heat and Cats. Nothing I've seen, read, or heard has impressed me. But maybe I should be... he is 2-2 with Isiah Thomas' roster.

Let's just hope Chandler blooms, Gallo blossoms, whoever they get this year is decent, and they can sign someone (not necessarily LBJ or another star) in the next two seasons so D'Antoni has some horse to run.

But I agree, the coach does need an actual point guard to be an effective coach.
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11/5/2008  10:28 PM
Nate is looking perfect for this system so far, at least. As is Chandler. We need Gallo and Jefferies to contribute something soon or it's gonna be ugly.

dlee is not looking like he'll be commanding a $60M deal... it'd be nice if he found his game in this system though for him and us.
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11/5/2008  10:32 PM
they're showing some flashes of defensive interest.
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11/5/2008  10:37 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
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Great job by Duhon down the stretch...the offensive rebound and then on that last play he did a great job jumping out on the shooter...

2-2....hey, it's something....

are you smoking crack and watching the game? Duhon had a terrible game and that offensive rebound ran straight at him.


I saw the last couple of minutes of the game...I didn't say "great game"...just that he made two nice plays down the stretch...yes the rebound came out...but, he still is the one who ran to it and got it....
and the sideline play at the end of the game...he switched out and kept if from being an open shot...nothing spectacular, actually, just very basic...but it was the right play and I think we have all seent the Knicks give up plenty of open shots because the player didn't make the basic defensive play.
Perhaps Duhon was awful for most of the game...but in the last minute he made two plays that weren't spectacular....but in the words of Larry Brown...he played the game the "right way"
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11/5/2008  11:16 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I'm not sure Steve Nash would make this team substantially better. Sure, he'll create open shots. But someone has to hit those open shots. Maybe Nash gets the teamto the first round... but they'd get their asses kicked by Boston or Detroit or Cleveland and likely by Atlanta or Orlando.

Bring Amare with him too as Eny said. Because D'Antoni and his supporters can say all they want but so far D'Antoni is looking like the guy who coached that Nuggets team and his first year with the Suns when he didn't have Nash or a healthy Amare.
[Edited by - pharzeone on 11-05-2008 10:17 PM]

I agree with you there... the Knicks are 2-2, but with wins against the Heat and Cats. Nothing I've seen, read, or heard has impressed me. But maybe I should be... he is 2-2 with Isiah Thomas' roster.

Let's just hope Chandler blooms, Gallo blossoms, whoever they get this year is decent, and they can sign someone (not necessarily LBJ or another star) in the next two seasons so D'Antoni has some horse to run.

But I agree, the coach does need an actual point guard to be an effective coach.

What the hell are you and Phar babbling about?! Do we not remember that the team D'Antoni inherited is comming off 23 wins which is below mediocre. In fact Charlotte was a better team than we were last year. Why were we supposed to win this game? I bet when Charlotte saw the schedule, they circled it as a win for them. Why wouldn't they expect to win against a team in turmoil coming off 23 wins. BTW, the great Larry Brown is the Charlotte coach, how much better do they look so far?

Also, Phil Jackson would look like D'antoni looked in Denver with this dreadful roster....

[Edited by - uptown on 11-05-2008 11:18 PM]
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11/5/2008  11:41 PM
Posted by Redcru:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Redcru:

Great job by Duhon down the stretch...the offensive rebound and then on that last play he did a great job jumping out on the shooter...

2-2....hey, it's something....

are you smoking crack and watching the game? Duhon had a terrible game and that offensive rebound ran straight at him.


I saw the last couple of minutes of the game...I didn't say "great game"...just that he made two nice plays down the stretch...yes the rebound came out...but, he still is the one who ran to it and got it....
and the sideline play at the end of the game...he switched out and kept if from being an open shot...nothing spectacular, actually, just very basic...but it was the right play and I think we have all seent the Knicks give up plenty of open shots because the player didn't make the basic defensive play.
Perhaps Duhon was awful for most of the game...but in the last minute he made two plays that weren't spectacular....but in the words of Larry Brown...he played the game the "right way"

nah man the way i see it he helped to lull the Knicks asleep and if Nate didnt come in and go nuts the Knicks woulda got blown out.....to his credit he did force feed nate when he was obviously hot....he hit him with the pass on the second of back to back 3's.
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11/5/2008  11:53 PM
I'm not sure where this Duhon hatred is coming from, I thought he played pretty well. Maybe he passed up a few too many shots, but he played well...
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11/6/2008  12:07 AM
I thought Duhon played well. He pushed the ball and played good D.
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11/6/2008  12:44 AM
I wanna see Nate Robinson as a starter (and possibly as the starting PG). He seems to be ready to turn the corner.
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11/6/2008  2:38 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:

I thought Duhon played well. He pushed the ball and played good D.

when?

Felton and DJ augustine had 30pts and 10 assist combined. The stories of how he's such a good anything is a myth. He had zero inpact on this Charlotte game. He was just there. He did not instill his will on the game.
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