Posted by misterearl:

Godot - the issue is not Isiah Thomas.

The issue is whether the politics of MSG, fueled by the media sharks who are already questioning the move just one day into the hire, would have been managed better by hiring the freshman Jackson.

Forget Lebron. Forget 2012. By the time 2012 rolls around, D'Antoni will be with the Lakers and the Knicks head coach will be either Louis Orr, Paul Hewitt or Billy Donovan.

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by misterearl:

Godot - the issue is not Isiah Thomas.

The issue is whether the politics of MSG, fueled by the media sharks who are already questioning the move just one day into the hire, would have been managed better by hiring the freshman Jackson.

Forget Lebron. Forget 2012. By the time 2012 rolls around, D'Antoni will be with the Lakers and the Knicks head coach will be either Louis Orr, Paul Hewitt or Billy Donovan.

And who's gonna remember this' prediction?

misterearl.

Posted by oohah:

D'Antoni would kill himself if he had Baron the chucker.

Kill himself for being saddled with a near franchise-level player who can change a playoff series by himself?

Baron Davis has baggage and risks, but he would excel min a D'Antoni game-plan: wide open, lots of 3's and transition, while playing for steals on defense. Since the Knicks are in win-now mode (again), I could see Davis ending up here, and to be honest, I would prefer him over most of what else I see out there.

oohah

Baron Davis 5 years ago the guy is constantly injured and somehow this was forgotten because the great series he had against Dallas. Baron is close to or passing his prime.

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by oohah:

D'Antoni would kill himself if he had Baron the chucker.

Kill himself for being saddled with a near franchise-level player who can change a playoff series by himself?

Baron Davis has baggage and risks, but he would excel min a D'Antoni game-plan: wide open, lots of 3's and transition, while playing for steals on defense. Since the Knicks are in win-now mode (again), I could see Davis ending up here, and to be honest, I would prefer him over most of what else I see out there.

oohah

Baron Davis 5 years ago the guy is constantly injured and somehow this was forgotten because the great series he had against Dallas. Baron is close to or passing his prime.

I don't think you really read my post Bitty.

I am referring to the types of moves that the Knicks are probably going to look to make in the context of making a big splash, which it looks like they are tryring to do.

I do understand what you are saying about Davis' injuries and his "window" of prime play.

Having said that, it is not just the Dallas series where he played well the past 2 seasons, not by a long shot. He just had the 2 best seasons of his career including playing 82 games this past season and averaging a career second-best 39 MPG. Check out his stats and the Warrior's win totals: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/baron_davis/career_stats.html

The Baron Davis of 5 years ago, that you would prefer, played 18 games, and 4 years ago he played 28 games, the year after that 54 games.

Again, I am talking about the types of moves the Knicks obviously want to make. It screams risky overpriced stars. Tell me, would you prefer they target Baron Davis or Gilbert Arenas? Who do you think has a better chance of being the "Steve Nash" in D'Antoni's system?

oohah

Posted by oohah:



I'll explain. You're going into too much detail, the street level view. Take the 5000 foot view. It's the philosophy, not that hiring D'Antoni "is such a bad move".

Was someone just using google for directions?

Posted by oohah:

On the subject of empirical evidence, I haven't seen any that supports hiring Mark Jackson either. People are willing to take a chance on him, WHY????

1. He is New Yorker......................like Marbury, and we all know how that went.

2. He is a better option for rebuilding...SEZ WHO??? Has he ever communicated a vision much less a plan on what he would do with the roster? -- Um, that would be a NO, at least D'Antoni has a vision and will give Donnie/New GM something to shoot for

3. He has never coached at any level, but we critcize Mike D for being a player's coach, what makes you think Mark J would be anything else? He has no street cred, and far more likely to get eaten alive by the media

4. He is hard nosed and preaches defense..Really? What empirical evidence do we have on that?

5. His style would fit the roster better --- eh? I thought we were gonna get rid of these losers, what style??

All this compared to the guy that was the best coach out there who was available for the job. Why is this usch bad move again?

I'll explain. You're going into too much detail, the street level view. Take the 5000 foot view. It's the philosophy, not that hiring D'Antoni "is such a bad move".

Here is how it goes: Throw out a ton of money to hire the biggest coaching name as "the coach savior" and trust me, next thing is to find another player with big questions marks to be "the player savior", like Antonio McDyess, Stephon Marbury, etc. and sign him to a long-term contract even though he isn't good enough to really give you a title shot. Then after a few years, everybody is killing the president, GM, coach, and player because the team tops out at a mediocre level. Remember how Houston got killed for his huge contract?

It's the same scam all over again, pumping us up instead of taking baby steps, and obviously it works.

I hope it works out better than that, but it is easy to see the script once you've observed it a few times!

oohah


[Edited by - oohah on 11-05-2008 10:48 PM]

Posted by misterearl:

If The Answer Man and Mark Jackson Both Grew Up Within 5 Miles of Each Other In Queens Does That Them Homeboys?

loweyecue1 - He is New Yorker, like Marbury, and we all know how that went.

AM - Mark Jackson IS a New Yorker, just like a bunch of udder local guys who did good... you gotta problem wit dat?

Q loweyecue1 - Has he ever communicated a vision much less a plan on what he would do with the roster?

A. The head coach is not responsible for the roster. That is the job of the GM. Unfortunately, that position is vacant. Jackson's vision or so-called plan is available in the sports section at Barnes and Noble, right next to the vision/plan book on every other NBA head coach.

loweyecue1 - He has no street cred, and far more likely to get eaten alive by the media.

A. Street cred? What da hell is "street cred"?

Q. loweyecue1- (Jackson) is hard nosed and preaches defense..Really? What empirical evidence do we have on that?

A. hard-nosed is about as vapid of meaning as "street cred". Who starts these arbitrary labels anyway? Mark Jackson DOES look good in a suit however.

Q. loweyecue1 - His style would fit the roster better --- eh?

A. Loweye, are you from Canada? I wish Mike D'Antoni all the success in the world, buit his honeymoon is tempered by the BIG chedda being doled out by the Dolans. Jackson woulda been a bargain and I would pay good money to see him in a Q and A with Mitch lawrence, eh?

Q. loweyecue1 - Why is this such bad move again?

A. It's not a bad move per-se. For true Jedi-masters of the MSG politic of hiring coaches BEFORE the GM, (see the Gulf+Western years) and empowering him, it is a questionable move. D'Antoni could have the knicks runnin' and gunnin' to the Eastern Conference Finals faster than you can say Butch Komives, but in two years the honeymoon will be history and Peter Vescey will have his pencils sharpened to a razor edge.