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playa2
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2/20/2007  7:00 AM
If you were raised as a Christian, then you are brought up to think that homosexuality is an abomination. You are taught that it is a perversion one step away from beastiality.

The government isn't legally permitted to be Christian, so they have to determine what is permissable bias based on other criteria. It wasn't that long ago that sodomy laws were enforced in the State of NY, and we have seen that South Carolina still enforces them.

Asking people to discard their lifelong held beliefs due to political expediency is a bit much. As with the abortion and birth control controversies, homosexuality cuts too close to the skin of many.

Let's not forget that calling people "gay" is a polite euphemism for buggery (as the Brits call it). There is a lot of money being spent by lobbyists and publicists that want homosexual behavior to be accepted as normal.

Anyone that claims that anal sex between two males falls in the realm of normal behavior is DELUDING themselves.

Also, remember that the vote of the psychiatrists to no longer list homosexuality as a mental disorder was passed by a 51% to 49% vote. If you consider that 10% of the male population is probably gay, that would mean that 10% of that vote was by psychiatrists with a vested interest.

My personal opinion is "Don't ask, don't tell." I am opposed to public displays of homosexuality, but I am also opposed to public displays of heterosexuality.

My real concern is that if homosexuality is accepted, why not some other variation from the norm, like exhibitionists or pederasts. Why is it in society's interest to go down this path.



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2/20/2007  7:46 AM
Posted by playa2:
Bonn here ya go
Psychologists often trace one's sexual orientation to early child-hood experiences,
hey.. just like homophobia, bigotry and religious beliefs right?

noting that homosexual persons frequently come from families in which one parent is conspicuously absent, uncaring, or abusive.
define 'frequently' since your just spouting here. How about citing your source or backing this up with real data? Just curious as the homosexuals I know do not fit this profile.
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2/20/2007  7:53 AM
Sorry, not all Christians are raised to think homosexuality is an "abomination."

Secondly, to suggest that the vote you are referring to that removed homosexuality from the DSM was won because 10% of people are believed to be gay (by some) and therefore that means that 10% of psychiatrists who were gay made the difference does not mean that it would not have eventually been removed. That was over 30 years ago. There are far fewer Psychologists, Psychiatrists and Social Workers (MSW's) believe it to be a mental disorder, because of a WEALTH OF EMPERICAL EVIDENCE, not based on a personal value or belief system.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_mental_health.html
In 1973, the weight of empirical data, coupled with changing social norms and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, led the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). Some psychiatrists who fiercely opposed their action subsequently circulated a petition calling for a vote on the issue by the Association's membership. That vote was held in 1974, and the Board's decision was ratified...

Some psychologists and psychiatrists still hold negative personal attitudes toward homosexuality. However, empirical evidence and professional norms do not support the idea that homosexuality is a form of mental illness or is inherently linked to psychopathology.
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2/20/2007  7:56 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by playa2:
Bonn here ya go
Psychologists often trace one's sexual orientation to early child-hood experiences,
hey.. just like homophobia, bigotry and religious beliefs right?

noting that homosexual persons frequently come from families in which one parent is conspicuously absent, uncaring, or abusive.
define 'frequently' since your just spouting here. How about citing your source or backing this up with real data? Just curious as the homosexuals I know do not fit this profile.
That's the problem with basing your beliefs solely on religion IMO--nothing needs to be supported by evidence.
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Posted by PresIke:

Sorry, not all Christians are raised to think homosexuality is an "abomination."

Secondly, to suggest that the vote you are referring to that removed homosexuality from the DSM was won because 10% of people are believed to be gay (by some) and therefore that means that 10% of psychiatrists who were gay made the difference does not mean that it would not have eventually been removed. That was over 30 years ago. There are far fewer Psychologists, Psychiatrists and Social Workers (MSW's) believe it to be a mental disorder, because of a WEALTH OF EMPERICAL EVIDENCE, not based on a personal value or belief system.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_mental_health.html
In 1973, the weight of empirical data, coupled with changing social norms and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, led the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). Some psychiatrists who fiercely opposed their action subsequently circulated a petition calling for a vote on the issue by the Association's membership. That vote was held in 1974, and the Board's decision was ratified...

Some psychologists and psychiatrists still hold negative personal attitudes toward homosexuality. However, empirical evidence and professional norms do not support the idea that homosexuality is a form of mental illness or is inherently linked to psychopathology.
It was 58 to 42% anyway. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Psychiatric_Association
And that vote was 34 years ago when progress was just beginning to occur on many social issues.
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2/20/2007  8:22 AM
If you were raised as a Christian, then you are brought up to think that homosexuality is an abomination. You are taught that it is a perversion one step away from beastiality.

That is why so many decent homosexuals are forced from the church they grew up in and become Episcopalians.
The government isn't legally permitted to be Christian, so they have to determine what is permissable bias based on other criteria. It wasn't that long ago that sodomy laws were enforced in the State of NY, and we have seen that South Carolina still enforces them.

As proven above, 'sodomy' is not exclusive to homosexuals. Just about every sexually active person has committed the sin of sodomy. I know I have, I just might get me some tonight if I am lucky! You're saying you've never gotten yourself some sodomy? You're missing out bud!
Asking people to discard their lifelong held beliefs due to political expediency is a bit much. As with the abortion and birth control controversies, homosexuality cuts too close to the skin of many.

I think that is the same rationale the Klan uses when speaking about interracial romance.
Let's not forget that calling people "gay" is a polite euphemism for buggery (as the Brits call it). There is a lot of money being spent by lobbyists and publicists that want homosexual behavior to be accepted as normal.

Actually buggery is not solely for gays. Buggery is sodomy. Of course Heteros never engage in that...

http://www.answers.com/topic/buggery
Anyone that claims that anal sex between two males falls in the realm of normal behavior is DELUDING themselves.

Maybe it is not normal. But it certainly isn't unusual.
Also, remember that the vote of the psychiatrists to no longer list homosexuality as a mental disorder was passed by a 51% to 49% vote. If you consider that 10% of the male population is probably gay, that would mean that 10% of that vote was by psychiatrists with a vested interest.

And maybe some of the other 90% that was not gay had a vested interest themselves? Oh wait, they are "right"!
My personal opinion is "Don't ask, don't tell." I am opposed to public displays of homosexuality, but I am also opposed to public displays of heterosexuality.

My real concern is that if homosexuality is accepted, why not some other variation from the norm, like exhibitionists or pederasts. Why is it in society's interest to go down this path.

As long as it happens in the seclusion of their own homes, why do you care? Like Exhibitionists, or the public displays of affection you rue so, or the pedarests (What is that, I assume it happens in the open air?), happen out of doors. I stand beside you in the banning of public gay sex....

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2/20/2007  9:40 AM
Posted by playa2:

Bonn here ya go

Psychologists often trace one's sexual orientation to early child-hood experiences, noting that homosexual persons frequently come from families in which one parent is conspicuously absent, uncaring, or abusive. While there is undoubtedly much to appreciate about this approach it is important to realize that we are not merely products of our environment. Though we may have unique struggles or successes in part because of the way we have been raised, environment is no more determinative than physiology. It is best to assume an eclectic approach and to say that people become homosexual (or heterosexual) through complex processes that involve biological, environmental, and volitional factors. Some persons may enter life with a certain amount of "baggage," while others may pick it up through early childhood experiences. Others may be profoundly affected by things that happen later in life, or they may be simply experiencing the consequences of their own choices. Whatever influences may contribute to one's homosexual desires, the decision to act on those desires is clearly one's own. Since the Bible does not forbid temptation--only action--personal responsibility remains absolutely critical. That brings us back to the biblical standard.

Masculinity and femininity are to be expressed in relationships between men and women, and homosexuality is improper in part because it seeks wholeness apart from the complementary responsibilities of men and women in the image of God.People who are caught up in a lifestyle of homosexuality can find both forgiveness and transformation in Jesus Christ

this sounds like those off the wall born again propaganda "pamphlets" accepted as fact by narrow minded litteral bible folk.

There are lots of people who "HATE" lots of people, lifestyles, race and culture. They produce literature that is accepted as legit by those wanting to believe. Kinda like "Urban legend" internet information.

Its interesting that your hell bent on trying to convince us that your perspective is one that is correct and need to install the last word.

ITs better for some of us to just accept the ignorance and be ok that some people just belive what they want to no matter what. someone is gonna have the last word, but Playa try to remember that even you get it, it does not mean you have won the debate. Its not winable, nor is there a loser. Just differences.

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2/20/2007  10:07 AM
Playa Also, remember that the vote of the psychiatrists to no longer list homosexuality as a mental disorder was passed by a 51% to 49% vote. If you consider that 10% of the male population is probably gay, that would mean that 10% of that vote was by psychiatrists with a vested interest.

OohahAnd maybe some of the other 90% that was not gay had a vested interest themselves? Oh wait, they are "right"!
Actually all 100% had a vested interest in classifying homosexuality as a disorder. Psychiatrists could make money from treating patients with the condition and could obtain research grants to study the condition. The fact that they voted against their financial interests, makes their vote even more impressive.
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2/20/2007  11:09 AM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by playa2:

Bonn here ya go

Psychologists often trace one's sexual orientation to early child-hood experiences, noting that homosexual persons frequently come from families in which one parent is conspicuously absent, uncaring, or abusive. While there is undoubtedly much to appreciate about this approach it is important to realize that we are not merely products of our environment. Though we may have unique struggles or successes in part because of the way we have been raised, environment is no more determinative than physiology. It is best to assume an eclectic approach and to say that people become homosexual (or heterosexual) through complex processes that involve biological, environmental, and volitional factors. Some persons may enter life with a certain amount of "baggage," while others may pick it up through early childhood experiences. Others may be profoundly affected by things that happen later in life, or they may be simply experiencing the consequences of their own choices. Whatever influences may contribute to one's homosexual desires, the decision to act on those desires is clearly one's own. Since the Bible does not forbid temptation--only action--personal responsibility remains absolutely critical. That brings us back to the biblical standard.

Masculinity and femininity are to be expressed in relationships between men and women, and homosexuality is improper in part because it seeks wholeness apart from the complementary responsibilities of men and women in the image of God.People who are caught up in a lifestyle of homosexuality can find both forgiveness and transformation in Jesus Christ

this sounds like those off the wall born again propaganda "pamphlets" accepted as fact by narrow minded litteral bible folk.

There are lots of people who "HATE" lots of people, lifestyles, race and culture. They produce literature that is accepted as legit by those wanting to believe. Kinda like "Urban legend" internet information.

Its interesting that your hell bent on trying to convince us that your perspective is one that is correct and need to install the last word.

ITs better for some of us to just accept the ignorance and be ok that some people just belive what they want to no matter what. someone is gonna have the last word, but Playa try to remember that even you get it, it does not mean you have won the debate. Its not winable, nor is there a loser. Just differences.

Nalod, this is a discussion, just like LB and Isiah debate, why do you try and make it sound as if we have to homogenize on this topic ?
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2/20/2007  1:00 PM
Does milk that gets HOMOgenized do it by choice? Or environment?

Marv needs to chim in on this "4 0f 5 dentists reccomend trident gum!"

Marv, whats your profession view this peversion we call "homosextuality?"
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Let's lighten the mood a bit:

John Amaechi Comes Out As Former NBA Player
February 15, 2007 | Issue 43•07

STOCKPORT, ENGLAND—British homosexual John Amaechi sent shockwaves throughout the sporting world last week when he announced, much to the surprise of his family and friends—in addition to NBA players and fans—that he lived a double life for five years in which he secretly worked as a professional basketball player.


"It was difficult living with this secret," said Amaechi, who in his new autobiography Man In The Middle reveals that he played in the NBA for the Cleveland Cavaliers, Utah Jazz, Orlando Magic, and perhaps most shockingly, the New York Knicks. "I loved it and hated it at the same time. And I was afraid that if I ever acted on some of my impulses, like say by requesting more playing time, that I would have ultimately embarrassed myself and everyone close to me."

"Now, it's like a tremendous weight has been lifted," Amaechi added, stating that although he still feels a certain shame about his furtive involvement in the often shadowy world of professional basketball, it has been a great relief to finally be able to speak openly about his professional life.

According to Amaechi, who spent most of his NBA career on the bench and only averaged six points and two rebounds per game, he knew at an early age that he was different from all the "normal players" when he went undrafted out of college, was unnoticed during his first season in which he only played 28 games, and was never involved with guns, drugs, or shifty agents. Amaechi claims he never once had the urge to record a sub-par rap album.

Furthermore, no matter where Amaechi played, he always felt "awkward and out of place" on the court, adding that he was "never really certain if [he] was a center or a power forward."

"I had no idea," former Cavaliers teammate Terrell Brandon said. "Sure, I saw John around the Cavaliers, but I didn't want to jump to any conclusions. He was tall, yeah, but he didn't look like a basketball player. He didn't act like a basketball player. And just because he hung around with a lot of basketball players and sometimes wore flashy jewelry, that didn't necessarily mean he was one, y'know?"

"Oh, please—I knew it all along," former Jazz teammate John Stockton said. "I mean, just look at the way he dressed—basketball jersey, mesh shorts, sneakers… There was, in my opinion, no doubt that he was, at least a little bit. Just because he was homosexual doesn't mean he couldn't be a basketball player."

In his book, Amaechi states that he even hid his occupation from his parents because he "came from a traditional British household" and his parents would not have approved of their son being an NBA player. Amaechi admits he was constantly worried during the Jazz's nationally televised playoff series with the Sacramento Kings in 2002, because cameras panning over to the bench could have revealed to his family and friends at home that he was in the NBA.

"The last thing you want is for them to find out that way," said Amaechi, who claims his parents have been "very supportive and accepting, although they don't understand why someone would want that kind of life."

"I think Coach [Jerry Sloan] knew," said Amaechi, adding that Sloan treated him differently than his teammates, most of whom played significantly more minutes. "And, I am sure that some of the diehard fans, the ones who came to every game and stayed even when we were getting blown out, I think they knew."

"But what hurt the most was that I didn't feel comfortable around my own teammates," he added. "And if I had told them I was a basketball player, I don't think they would have accepted it, or even believed it."

The response to Amaechi's announcement around the league has ranged from complete indifference to unconditional support.

"I can't believe I showered with that guy," said former Jazz teammate Karl Malone, who played with Amaechi for two seasons. "I mean, it's just weird. I really think I would have remembered something like that."

"Good for him," said Houston Rockets shooting guard Tracy McGrady, who played with Amaechi when he was on the Orlando Magic. "You know, I wish he would have come out earlier. Like in the third quarter of some games. Maybe he wasn't the best gay basketball player I've ever seen, but we could have used another big man in the lineup."

Though he refused to name names, Amaechi said that he knows other men out there who, unsuspected by the world, are also living secret lives as professional basketball players.

"I just hope my new book will inspire them to come out when they retire," Amaechi added. "Despite the way we're portrayed in the media, and in spite of the way we're treated by the world at large, being an NBA player is nothing to be ashamed of."

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2/20/2007  1:59 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Does milk that gets HOMOgenized do it by choice? Or environment?

Marv needs to chim in on this "4 0f 5 dentists reccomend trident gum!"

Marv, whats your profession view this peversion we call "homosextuality?"

running a crazy busy day here.

pun intended.

would love to weigh in - will do so at 1st chance.
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As someone who is an MSW student which involves studying psychology on a graduate level, there is no significant reason that I am aware of that suggest that homosexuality is anything other than a natural phenomenon (not meaning EVERYONE is homosexual), or a psychological disorder.

The issue with comparing homosexuality to pedophilia is mute for two related, yet, important reasons. One is the question of power dynamics and the other is whether harm is involved. In the case of a pedophile they are an adult with the power, and the child not. The adult is abusing his/her power privilege by manipulating or forcing the child to engage in sexual activity and therefore harming the child. In the case of homosexuals who are consenting adults there is little support to suggest that power or harm questions are of relevance. If you believe power does come into play, then you are somehow convinced that everyone (or a lot of people) on some deep level REALLY wants to engage in homosexual behavior or be homosexual and can therefore be easily swayed by some homosexual "trickery." This, by the way, pretty much sums up the idea that "poor, innocent" Sheryl Swoops (an adult) could be somehow "swayed" by some powerful lesbian into becoming one. Sure, I suppose that could happen, but maybe it is because they were ALREADY gay in the first place. In the end...why does it matter if humans did or not anyway? It isn't as if everyone would suddenly become strictly homosexual. Only if one places a value judgment on homosexual behavior will think that people turning gay is a problem.

Society's norms tell us how we think we should behave, when it may not be WHO we are, or regardless of whether it is really in the "public interest." In other words, society dictates that killing, raping or pedophilia is wrong, and with good reason. It protects people from actual harm. But convincing us that being gay is harmful is far from valid, and actually does more harm than good to those that are homosexual. There is a tremendous amount of clinically studied evidence that points to much higher rates of suicide and depression amongst homosexuals due to the stigma that comes with being L/B/G/T.

How do we know that Sheryl Swoops wasn't gay and didn't recognize it because she was socially conditioned to think she was (had to be) straight? Those who come from areas where being a homosexual is identified as wrong or not justifiable can live in denial for many years. The reality is being gay is scientifically supported as something people are born with and observed in all animals, yet somehow we can't seem to get some to accept those who identify themselves as such, leading to hatred and stigma that really serves no positive use in society.

[Edited by - PresIke on 02-20-2007 3:25 PM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 02-20-2007 3:28 PM]
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Posted by PresIke:

As someone who is an MSW student which involves studying psychology on a graduate level, there is no significant reason that I am aware of that suggest that homosexuality is anything other than a natural phenomenon (not meaning EVERYONE is homosexual), or a psychological disorder.


How do we know that Sheryl Swoops wasn't gay and didn't recognize it because she was socially conditioned to think she was (had to be) straight? Those who come from areas where being a homosexual is identified as wrong or not justifiable can live in denial for many years. The reality is being gay is scientifically supported as something people are born with and observed in all animals, yet somehow we can't seem to get some to accept those who identify themselves as such, leading to hatred and stigma that really serves no positive use in society.

How do we know you ask ? LOL

Everything about our first year of marriage, from the laughs we shared to the sexual intimacy, was wonderful. We traveled a lot that year when I landed an endorsement contract with Nike, the company that later introduced Air Swoopes, the first sneaker to be named after a woman. But in year two Eric grew weary of the constant traveling. Year three was the beginning of the end. Even amid the joy of welcoming our son. Jordan, into the family in 1997. Eric and I moved in totally different directions, The affection dissipated. The bickering became constant. I was frustrated because I felt that I was handling the lion's share of responsibility in our relationship: caring for our son, dealing with the finances, playing my first season of professional basketball as one of the WNBA's original players. I was miserable. We agreed to a trial separation so Eric and could evaluate our relationship. For my son's sake, thought I should do everything possible to make the marriage work.

We never reconciled. In fact, I found myself relieved to be away from the relationship and the emotional exhaustion it had caused me. As much as I wanted Jordan to have the perfect picture of a mom and dad together forever, I knew I couldn't tolerate a relationship that made me unhappy. A year later I called Eric and told him I wanted a divorce.

I don't call myself bisexual. I enjoyed the sex I had with my ex-husband, yet I can't picture myself ever sleeping with a man again. There's something about being with another woman that makes me feel complete. Because I've been intimate with a man and, now, a woman, I know the difference. Many would say that people are born gay. For me, being gay is a choice. Before and during my marriage, I never once thought of being with a woman

I met Alisa Scott in 1998. Even before she arrived to work as assistant coach for my team, the Houston Comets, I overheard a couple of my teammates saying, "You know who's coming to coach here? Alisa Scott--and they say she can get any woman she wants." My teammates and I knew that Alisa was gay. What I didn't know was how my own feelings would surprise me in the following months.

No disrespect but as someone who is an MSW student which involves studying psychology on a graduate level if you can't evaluate her conditionof being (emotional frustrated by reading this( then I don't know what else to tell you sheesh!

She could have easily dated abother man like most women do after divorce, but she needed somone who understood her someone who she could talk to.

Coaches are good for that sometimes. Alisa Scott was a coach who listened and waited for the opportunity to poounce on this emotional drained frustrated lady.


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Posted by playa2:

Swoopes: Because I've been intimate with a man and, now, a woman, I know the difference.

Playa, it doesn't seem that you undertood PresIke's post. If it is possible to "learn" homosexual behaviour, as you vehemently insist, why isn't it possible that she conversely learned to suppress her homosexual tendencies as a result of societal pressure? It doesn't strike you as strange that her "conversion" to homosexuality occurred so seamlessly in response to the mere appearance of a gay woman in her life? If you're suggesting that such a meager stimulus can effect so large a change in sexual preference, it follows that you believe homosexuality has a stronger genetic tendency than heterosexuality. And how would you reconcile that with scripture?

By insisting that homosexuality is a universally "learnable condition," as you did when you admitted that even you could have learned the behavior, you are basically arguing that, despite the fact that all humans have homosexual tendencies, they also have the capability of resisting the temptation of that behavior. Still, you believe that gay people are, in fact, gay not because of a greater genetic predisposition but because of increased exposure to homosexual stimuli, which as we've seen can be quite powerful. Exactly here is where you're argument monumentally collapses. Its completely counter-intuitive that you're ready to believe that Everyone can have a genetic tendency (which can be warded off) and, yet, No one can be completely genetically homosexual. In the midst of contradicting yourself, you did get one thing right - homosexuality is a multifactorial trait, affected by genes and the environment. While the weight of each has not been definitively discerned, it is certain that there is a gradient of sexual preference created by the interaction of many genes. And it is entirely likely that sexual genetic extremes exist - both heterosexual and homosexual - without the presence of a gay or heterosexual influence. Which leaves us at this - why is it morally wrong for people genetically endowed with gay genes to pursue happiness in a consensual, harmless manner? It isn't. And so it becomes clear that, in many cases, homosexuality can't and shouldn't be avoided.
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Swoopes Quote:Before and during my marriage, I never once thought of being with a woman.

If that isn't enough proof for you than I can't help you understand.

What some of you fail to see is Swoopes had to submit to the thought and ideal of going out with Alisa Scott first. That when mentally and physically her guards were down or should we say , her emotions and feelings were wide open for anything that had love written on it.

Then remember she knew this scott lady had a rep and who knows if she wasn't egged on by some of the teammates since there was no relations going on with her after being with a guy (highschool sweatheart).

Maybe some have never turned anyone out before, you can make them do and be anything you want...of course with their permission and submission to you.
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Posted by playa2:

Swoopes Quote:Before and during my marriage, I never once thought of being with a woman.

If that isn't enough proof for you than I can't help you understand.

What some of you fail to see is Swoopes had to submit to the thought and ideal of going out with Alisa Scott first. That when mentally and physically her guards were down or should we say , her emotions and feelings were wide open for anything that had love written on it.

Then remember she knew this scott lady had a rep and who knows if she wasn't egged on by some of the teammates since there was no relations going on with her after being with a guy (highschool sweatheart).

Maybe some have never turned anyone out before, you can make them do and be anything you want...of course with their permission and submission to you.


Re-read my post.
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I re-read your post

You make it sound like there wasn't any time dating going on 1st?

But just a wam bam thank you mam type of sexual situation.

Coaches are good talkers and can easily persuade someone while getting to know them over a period of time. Coaches are someone you can trust most of the time.

Swoopes probably submitted then experimitted to this experienced Lesbian with a rep of getting any women who got to know her and change her thinking , that's why I used the term turned out.

Who knows how long Swoopes went with out getting stimulated sexually by another person ?

My initial reason to post was this:
Why did Amechi and Swoopes have to broadcast their sexual preference ?
Both took it to another hype level by making it into a big deal press conference, + ESPN and Network Cable News .

Then we find out Cheryl Swoopes signs a deal with a homosexual cruise line(Olivia) the same day she comes out the closet LOL and Amachei has books to sell "MAN IN THE MIDDLE" Title should be "Man On The Bottom LOL and then had the nerve to use the NBA ALL-STAR WEEK in "Sin City" LAS VEGAS as his platform.

We didn't ask to know their personal sexual business, but they wanted us to know and I ask you ......WHY?


JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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2/21/2007  12:39 AM
Posted by playa2:

My initial reason to post was this:
Why did Amechi and Swoopes have to broadcast their sexual preference ?
Both took it to another hype level by making it into a big deal press conference, + ESPN and Network Cable News .

Then we find out Cheryl Swoopes signs a deal with a homosexual cruise line(Olivia) the same day she comes out the closet LOL and Amachei has books to sell "MAN IN THE MIDDLE" Title should be "Man On The Bottom LOL and then had the nerve to use the NBA ALL-STAR WEEK in "Sin City" LAS VEGAS as his platform.

We didn't ask to know their personal sexual business, but they wanted us to know and I ask you ......WHY?

i would say ESPN is equally guilty of self-promoting and headline-grabbing here. Amaechi's book is published by ESPN Books- they want it to sell. my impression was that the Amaechi thing was all over ESPN, whereas other sports news like SI touched on it, covered the Tim Hardaway thing and then moved on.

don't know anything about the circumstances around Swoopes' announcement or whatever.
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2/21/2007  1:58 AM
Newsflash: Some people are born gay nad some people choose to be gay.
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