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5/15/2006  2:01 PM
I'm sorry, I forgot that you need a special disclaimer, so here goes, if you are a nitpicking numnuts who can't read that well, then the answer to Bonn's questins is no, but you are still damn stupid.
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5/15/2006  2:05 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by crzymdups:

for people protecting Larry Brown, here's what Marc Stein had to say:

Brown, conversely, dragged the Knicks down to the unspeakable depths of 23-59 -- exactly 10 wins worse than the season before -- with what is widely regarded today as perhaps the worst coaching job in the history of professional sport.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2445391

[Edited by - crzymdups on 05-15-2006 12:12 PM]

Sad thing is per Brown he had to plead with them to get this record, I can't imagine how bad it would have been if he didn't care.

He had to "plead" with them because they hated his guts because he disparaged them daily in the media and never gave them roles or a set lineup. He's a joke.

If you believe he did a good job and was "begging" them to play, I don't know what to tell you.

He did an awful job. He was making a power play, trying to make Marbury and Isiah look bad, yanking the kids around. I mean, come on.
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5/15/2006  2:07 PM
Posted by simrud:

Whoever thinks Brown is the man who should take the fall for an orgnaization premiated with faliure up and down, is a complete moron and IT lover.

Whoever thinks that Brown had an "untalented, mismatched" roster and tried his best and wasn't trying to make a point on a nightly basis when he should've been trying to win games is delusional. You know, delusional like that Trevor Ariza kid. Remember that CANCER Trevor Ariza, that delusional cancer, who Brown banished to Orlando. Oh yeah, Orlando finished 16-4 with Ariza in the lineup and we finished 4-16. Weird.
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5/15/2006  2:07 PM
You don't need to do anything to make Marbury and IT look bad. Their track records speak for themselves. Only blind homer fools like you don't see it.
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5/15/2006  2:16 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by simrud:

Whoever thinks Brown is the man who should take the fall for an orgnaization premiated with faliure up and down, is a complete moron and IT lover.

Whoever thinks that Brown had an "untalented, mismatched" roster and tried his best and wasn't trying to make a point on a nightly basis when he should've been trying to win games is delusional. You know, delusional like that Trevor Ariza kid. Remember that CANCER Trevor Ariza, that delusional cancer, who Brown banished to Orlando. Oh yeah, Orlando finished 16-4 with Ariza in the lineup and we finished 4-16. Weird.

You can't win basketball games unless you play defense.

Yeah the Magic finished 16-4 becuase they had Ariza. No wait, MAYBE it was becuase they unloaded a cancer from their team who had reached primadona status and the team was able to finally breathe. Yeah thats probably it.
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5/15/2006  2:20 PM
I have been on the record and will continue to be on the record as supporting LB. The only proven winner in the whole bunch. Dolan has no clue, IT is pure con artist with 0 sucess post playing days. I will give IT credit for his scouting accumen but without an idea how to put puzzle pieces together. I do not profess to understand many of LB's move during the year but based on the track record believe that there was a method to his maddness.

Steph is a cancer-a spoiled brat-selfish-take your pick. Certainly not a winner or a player who will subrogate himself for the good of the team. Even the Answer who fought with LB calls him the best coach in the league. If Dolan's insanity does lead to the departure of the Far Rockaway native -I, for one, wish him well.

I wonder,however, whether this is a smokescreen putting the thought out there and watching for the reactions before a move is made

[Edited by - TheSage on 05-15-2006 2:21 PM]
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Posted by TheSage:

I have been on the record and will continue to be on the record as supporting LB. The only proven winner in the whole bunch. Dolan has no clue, IT is pure con artist with 0 sucess post playing days. I will give IT credit for his scouting accumen but without an idea how to put puzzle pieces together. I do not profess to understand many of LB's move during the year but based on the track record believe that there was a method to his maddness.

Steph is a cancer-a spoiled brat-selfish-take your pick. Certainly not a winner or a player who will subrogate himself for the good of the team. Even the Answer who fought with LB calls him the best coach in the league. If Dolan's insanity does lead to the departure of the Far Rockaway native -I, for one, wish him well.

I wonder,however, whether this is a smokescreen putting the thought out there and watching for the reactions before a move is made

[Edited by - TheSage on 05-15-2006 2:21 PM]



What you and lots of people here who support Larry don't want to own up to is that Larry sobataged this season...This is conduct detrimental to the organization...The most that you will admit is that he has a method to his madness...The owner did not see it that way...The owner thought he screwed this team this past season...It would be insane just to blindly follow Larry because of his track record...I mean come on, he started players because of their home towns....He really did...Just imagine Lenny Wilkens doing that then showing up with 23 wins....What would this forum look like then..You think you would be killing the organization if they wanted sack Lenny?
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5/15/2006  2:52 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by TheSage:

I have been on the record and will continue to be on the record as supporting LB. The only proven winner in the whole bunch. Dolan has no clue, IT is pure con artist with 0 sucess post playing days. I will give IT credit for his scouting accumen but without an idea how to put puzzle pieces together. I do not profess to understand many of LB's move during the year but based on the track record believe that there was a method to his maddness.

Steph is a cancer-a spoiled brat-selfish-take your pick. Certainly not a winner or a player who will subrogate himself for the good of the team. Even the Answer who fought with LB calls him the best coach in the league. If Dolan's insanity does lead to the departure of the Far Rockaway native -I, for one, wish him well.

I wonder,however, whether this is a smokescreen putting the thought out there and watching for the reactions before a move is made

[Edited by - TheSage on 05-15-2006 2:21 PM]



What you and lots of people here who support Larry don't want to own up to is that Larry sobataged this season...This is conduct detrimental to the organization...The most that you will admit is that he has a method to his madness...The owner did not see it that way...The owner thought he screwed this team this past season...It would be insane just to blindly follow Larry because of his track record...I mean come on, he started players because of their home towns....He really did...Just imagine Lenny Wilkens doing that then showing up with 23 wins....What would this forum look like then..You think you would be killing the organization if they wanted sack Lenny?




What you won't own up to is the fact that Stephon Marbury has been doing this since he got here 2.5 years ago, just ask Kurt Thomas about it. Marbury plays his way becuase thats the way he wants to play, thats the reason he has had Lenny, Herb and Larry Brown as coaches since he got here. What more evidence do you want that Stephon Marbury ruins organizations than his past history? Everywhere he's been, it's been players not liking him, players thinking the team is better off without him, players getting in fights with him and thats all well and good if you have something to show for it. What does Stephon have to show for his 10 seasons in the NBA? 4 playoffs appearances and never once getting out of the 1st round. PERIOD. Marburys methods do not work and you continue to support him.

THIS ORGANIZATION NEEDS A FULL HOUSE-CLEANING, FROM TOP TO BOTTOM

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 05-15-2006 2:54 PM]
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5/15/2006  3:17 PM
holfresh you also continue to think it's about one season. About taking it one season at a time. At some point we have to realize that we are a bad organization and give someone blind faith to build the organization in their eyes. At some point we are going to have to have this patience that all NY'ers say they have.

Any successful coach is going to come here and want to change everything. If a coach comes here and decides to do more of the same, what is the point in hiring him?

This is not a year to year proposition. Every fan on this site knows that it will take 3-5 years(probably closer to 7-10) years to turn this around. Yet we refuse to give any coach more than 82 games in order to do it. And that's 82 games of disagreeing with every method and request that he makes. From Don, to Lenny to Larry it's all the same.

This has nothing to do with Larry loving and everything to do with wondering what direction this organization is ever going to take.

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5/15/2006  3:21 PM
It's all rumor, but think about it. Your owner is thinking about foregoing a coaching search to find a new long-term search because he wants to save money and put Isiah in a dual role. What's the direction? What's the plan? Is there one? Or is this just another reaction to poor decisions made in order to put someone else under the gun.
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5/15/2006  3:28 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

It's all rumor, but think about it. Your owner is thinking about foregoing a coaching search to find a new long-term search because he wants to save money and put Isiah in a dual role. What's the direction? What's the plan? Is there one? Or is this just another reaction to poor decisions made in order to put someone else under the gun.

Frankly, it sounds like Dolan is pissed at the money isiah has wasted, via both coaches and players, and is sticking it to him. "Now your neck is in the noose. You bought it, now make it work."

I'm not saying it's the right way to go about it, but with the franchise already in a state of shambles with no one to lean on or guide us, I'm not sure there's all that much to lose.

Hopefully there is a lesson to be learned in all this, and hopefully Dolan will be the one to learn it.
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5/15/2006  3:53 PM
If you are po'd at all the money he has wasted, then why not fire him?Instead you give him more responsibility? It's amazing. I guess it's the same blindness that makes some fans think this is all about Larry Brown.
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5/15/2006  3:58 PM
I think the lesson is that nobody very few believes this collection of players can succeed.

The one that believes it the most is Zeke.

He should be given a chance to prove it.

If you go into a situation expecting the worst (as brown has stated over and over he knew we sucked in training camp) then you can expect to give it your all to succeed.

Zeke believes in the entire bunch of players on the roster.

I'm down with larry...if he stays, we will be markedly better next year.

if he teaches the multitude of players on the roster to be the role players the knicks need, then we will go deeper into the playoffs.

I'm in the minority in that I feel that our roster is perfectly suited to get deep into the playoffs...more so than not.

And I believe whoever the coach is, if they believe in the guys in the locker room, then the guys in the locker room will believe in them and they will succeed.

Can you honestly say that every other team has more talent than the knicks and is "better" than the knicks?

I really don't know how the charlotte's and new orleans of the world can think anything but they only beat us this year because we beat ourselves.

No way jose. We're better than we appear and it's somebody's JOB to make us appear better than we are.

And whoever it is needs to realize that nobody cares about excuses, if you don't like the roster, walk away from the team. Don't force them to pay you off...if you are that good of a coach, there will be a job waiting for you.
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5/15/2006  4:04 PM
Your team won 23 games and quit on the coach and yet we are looking to go deep in the playoffs. It's remarkable.
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5/15/2006  4:06 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Your team won 23 games and quit on the coach and yet we are looking to go deep in the playoffs. It's remarkable.

Don't try and make sense of a fool Bip. It's not worth it.
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5/15/2006  4:06 PM
I know we are not a 23 win team.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 05-15-2006 4:09 PM]
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5/15/2006  4:07 PM
nyk...why you gotta go there? I support the knicks, you hate marbury and IT.

whether or not you are a knick fan remains to be seen.

But don't tread on me and I won't tread on you, and don't sit on other people's posts to me and throw in your 2 cents.

You got something to say to me, say it to me on your own.

The mob mentality of latching on to another posters intelligent response isn't fooling anyone...what do YOU have to say?

[Edited by - rvhoss on 05-15-2006 4:09 PM]
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5/15/2006  4:12 PM
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nyk...why you gotta go there? not enough love as a kid?

I think it's the fact you continue to pour money into Dolans fat pockets every year to put forth a ****ty basketball team on the floor. When season tickets sell, Dolan is happy. You make Dolan happy, which makes US miserable.

And please, RV, don't try and act so innocent, you are as guilty as I am with this "tread on me" crap.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 05-15-2006 4:13 PM]
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5/15/2006  4:22 PM
yes, but I articulate my disdain much better. the key is not using terms like crap and fool...and simply saying you disagree or stating your disagreement.

There are times when I post like you and those fishy/isles/rv trifectas were doozy's. Some times I felt I was right, sometimes they were right (see jerome james) but we tried to keep it about the opinions that we had.

When it got out of hand, martin slapped me back into place.

Now I've learned, knicks "fans" are a passionate lot, and they will scream bloody suicide at the slightest disagreement with a team decision, so keep on posting crazy.

Just try to ignore my posts as I occassionaly ignore yours...oh, also, does nyk4EVER really mean forever? or only if they keep larry brown?
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Posted by rvhoss:

yes, but I articulate my disdain much better. the key is not using terms like crap and fool...and simply saying you disagree or stating your disagreement.

There are times when I post like you and those fishy/isles/rv trifectas were doozy's. Some times I felt I was right, sometimes they were right (see jerome james) but we tried to keep it about the opinions that we had.

When it got out of hand, martin slapped me back into place.

Now I've learned, knicks "fans" are a passionate lot, and they will scream bloody suicide at the slightest disagreement with a team decision, so keep on posting crazy.

Just try to ignore my posts as I occassionaly ignore yours...oh, also, does nyk4EVER really mean forever? or only if they keep larry brown?

Where have I said anywhere I would not be a Knicks fan? Show me it, I want to see it right now. You won't find it becuase I've never said anything remotely like it.

Why can't I voice my displeasure with the team and remain a Knicks fan? Just because I am peaved at the organization for cutting ties with someone, whom I believe to be, the only person with credibility in the franchise makes me a non-fan? You know what your right, maybe you should ignore my posts and vice versa.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 05-15-2006 4:29 PM]
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