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diderotn
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10/18/2005  10:08 PM
Lee needs to be the SF with Frye at PF....
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10/18/2005  10:10 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Lee needs to be the SF with Frye at PF....
Curry and Frye for sure. The 3 will be Q and Craw and Marbs.

Lee will spell the 4.

Don't forget AD, James, Rose, Ariza and Nate....

MoT is worthless. Cut him brewer and barber.
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10/18/2005  10:11 PM
dont know if Lee is better at the 3 than Ariza.
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10/18/2005  10:14 PM
I dunno. We can't let the other team, whoever it is, score 114 and expect to win.

Does the after-game prayer circle continue? Jeez, I hope not.
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10/18/2005  10:16 PM
I am sorry, having Crawff in the starting lineup is not wise...rest assure, Brown will realize it before the end of preseason. The wisest lineup is definitely: Marb, Q, Ariza or Lee, Frye, and curry......Nate, Crawf, Lee or Ariza, Rose or ???? and James....We can't afford to have two players who are defensive liability in the back court.
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10/18/2005  10:20 PM
I think you may be right Diderotn. Craw should spell QRich and Marbury.
Ariza should start at the 3. NY needs to get more D to start the game.

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10/18/2005  10:23 PM
lee, butler and frye are our best rebounders
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10/18/2005  10:23 PM
Rest assure Go, Larry will figure it out. Crawff is our biggest liability, because he is not strong enough to guard the opposing SG and most of all, he is not quick enough to guard the PG.
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10/18/2005  10:28 PM
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I like the Curry, Frye combination.


ever since we got Curry, that is the frontline im praying for
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10/18/2005  10:33 PM
OK after a full observation

#1 the knicks had no clue what to do against the zone in the first half. ball movement first half and parts of second half was TERRIBLE Eddie curry needs to keep his head in the game and play harder guys need to stop hot dogging.
#2 on defense which was much much worse, everything was open--wide open lanes to the basket, no help defenders, no lane intimidation--hopefully if things work out well JJ can be our intimidator, but right now the guy is probably so out of shape hes probably a month away, and we have 0 idea if he fits

#3 We need to establish a starting 3 and 4 and an overall starting line up. My vote would be Curry 5 Channing Frye 4 Trevor Ariza 3 Q Rich 2 Marbury 1 --and stay with it to build chemistry and see what happens--perhaps if Frye is not up to task yet, davis can be inserted

#4 Jackie butler is a solid back up 5 for cheap i bet he would start C in Toronto right now

#5 were going to be up and down. they need to evaluate whether or not we need an upgrade 3-4


#6 we need FT drills

#7 we need shooting drills

that was a hard game to watch, you see some good things the first few games and then watch as two 6-7 guys just control the court and their zone just stops us in our tracks


we have to do something about the 4 we have to many back up vets who are not good enough to start. Im thinking either package one with penny to get a theo ratliff and patterson
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10/18/2005  10:35 PM
oh yeah, danny granger is absolutely sick, hes going to be an nba superstar pippen clone to bad he didnt slide a tad more to 21:>(
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10/18/2005  10:44 PM
those boys are exhosted from the Dallas game. They took Philly lightly and failed to bring their A game tonight. Brown will get on them immediately and fix this issue. I am glad that it is happening right now, because that will give Brown ample amount of time to correct the problem. As for James, I can't wait to see how he fits with our regular lineup. Curry is good offensively, but he is not an intimidator. Frye is the closest we have as a good shot blocker, but having Crawff on the court is not helping him. It is imperative that we have defenders in the back court, because our front court will never be fast enough to recover from the softness of both Marb and Crawff. Keep in mind that Curry and James are both close to three hundred pounds...
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10/18/2005  10:47 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Rest assure Go, Larry will figure it out. Crawff is our biggest liability, because he is not strong enough to guard the opposing SG and most of all, he is not quick enough to guard the PG.

I'm not so certain that Crawford isn't quick enough to guard PG's. Jamal has a very good amount of quickness, I think it's defensive instincts more than anything else. There was a play in tonight's game when his man who the annoucers (Breen & Fraizer) knew favored his right hand. Crawford was guarding him straight up, so the player faked left and went to his right, past Jamal to the basket. Comare that to the Sixers' Iguodala, who on an earlier play was guarding Crawford. He clearly knew that Jamal likes to go to his right, but being as good a defender as he is, he guarded him what seemed to be straight up. However, when Jamal tried his little dribble-fake to the left Iguodala didn't go for the fake, shuffled backwards to Jamal's right figuring Jamal was headed that way, and drew the charge. That to me is one of Jamal's glaring weaknesses (as much as I like Crawford), not necessarily any lack of quickness to guard PG's.

It should be said that I think Crawford has played better D this pre-season than last year. I've seen more intensity from him (in yesterday's game and in the 2nd half of tonight's game), despite his overall inconsistent play. I uspect that the adjustment defensively as well as on the offensive end is what is causing him to struggle, thusfar.

Last year the offensive was clearly different. We saw a lot of Craw going one-on-one with his defender, trying to studder step/cross him over...more often than not...for a long jumper. What I have seen thusfar in pre-season, more than last year, is that he has been taking the ball to the basket. The thing is he has the tools: nice quickness, a good handle, a good jumper, and can finish in the lane. This led me, last year, to think he was afraid of contact, alltogether.

However, if he does more of the driving to the hole like we've seen in pre-season, this year, than the one-on-one stuff then we will see him grow more comfortable and do very well. I have a strong feeling that Crawford's game is one of Larry Brown's "works in progress," because it's not something you can change overnight. It seemed that last year Lenny & Herb just gave he and Stephon free-reign to do what they wanted, which more often than not, led to bad shot selection from pull up jumpers after one and sometimes no passes.

I think that's going to be the biggest adjustment for Crawford, and Marbury (to a lesser extent, since Steph is not afraid of contact while penetrating the lane). I have hopes that they will improve on this because I've already seen more of it than all of last season, IMHO.

Tonight's game was atrocious, but it's pre-season and an opportunity for the Knicks to learn from the mistake of coming out with a lack of intensity in a game. I assume Larry will not let them forget. Let's hope so.
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10/18/2005  10:49 PM
pg-Marbury
sg-Q
sf-Ariza
PF-Frye or Lee
C-Curry
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10/18/2005  10:52 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

dont know if Lee is better at the 3 than Ariza.


he's not. Lee is a PF. even if Frye starts Lee will get minutes

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 10-18-2005 10:56 PM]
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10/18/2005  10:59 PM
I like both Lee and Ariza, but we can't afford to have both of them on the court together. Lee and Ariza are not offensive players, they are good hustlers and play exceptional defense, but with both of them on the court together, we would be losing scoring punches. Marb, Q, Ariza or Lee, Frye and Curry provides an all around production. Marb can do a decent job guading the opposing PG especially if Q is on the court to guard the SG. Q is big and strong enough to overpower who ever is guarding him and same is for Marb. Ariza can definitely guard the SF and so can Lee,,As we already can see, both Lee and Ariza can rebound, so we wouldnt have to much of a drop off in that department. The reason why I do believe that it is imperative to have either Lee or Ariza at SF is because Marb will need athletes that can strongly finish plays to run the wings...

Posted by gunsnewing:

pg-Marbury
sg-Q
sf-Ariza
PF-Frye or Lee
C-Curry


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10/18/2005  11:00 PM
How can you flat out say that Lee is a PF????
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10/18/2005  11:01 PM
Posted by diderotn:

How can you flat out say that Lee is a PF????


he's our best rebounder. thats how
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10/18/2005  11:04 PM
just because he is our best rebounder doesn't mean that he is a PF. That kid is a baller and we both know it, but we can best use his skils and our roster by pluging him in at SF....Lee and Frye seem to have a pretty good chemistry between the two and combine with Curry we could have a pretty pottent mixture...
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10/18/2005  11:06 PM
Lee can be our Prince, Frye can definitely be Sheed, and Curry can be an offensive Ben...
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