Posted by rvhoss:

and JYD is an SF? He's listed on the knicks site as a PF and CENTER.

He only played SF because the coach was out of his mind.

there was no where for JYD to play, Lee played SF in SL, so it's a logical extension...he's even mentioned learning the game from the sf position (looking for a link now). Lee playing SF is NOT certified BS...stop crying over expendable players...we aren't the mets where we hang onto a player cause we like him, we hang on to players that can contribute to wins.

for all the "energy" and "team play" JYD brought to the table, it still equated to 33 wins (and he didn't miss any games due to injury). And we don't even need lee at the 3, we've got TT, Q and Reezy. So even then JYD wasn't playing ahead of those three at the 3. Are you actually reading any of your posts?

When and where was JYD even going to be playing...I'm not saying this was a great move, I'm just saying you guys are getting a bit dramatic with your proclamations of the end of the world.

JYD wasn't even going to be playing next year based on my depth charts.

I'd rather see Jackie, Frye, Rose, Sweets, MoT (yep, mo t baby...see the stats, he's better), JJ than JYD on the court...he was horrible...a couple of games they didn't even cover him and he was standing there scared to shoot.

Was it a Great move...NO, was it a end of the world move, not by a long shot.

Posted by simrud:

Lee at SF is ceritfied BS.

He might have gotten away with it in summer league, but if you think that he can guard NBA swing players you are out of your mind.

Lee is a banger who plays inside. He gets offensive rebounds, and uses his quickness advantage over slower bigs to around them for skills finishes at the rim and he dunks when he gets free.

He is a PF thru and tru.

IT is probably saying to himself now... "how could something so wrong feel so right?"

Posted by simrud:

If Rose does get traded I would agree with you. But who in the world is takin on his salary?

Posted by rvhoss:

don't forget, if JYD signs with another team, we get that money.

Posted by fishmike:

Hey, Isles, what if they wanted to keep Jackie Butler? How would waiving Shandon make sense then?

yes. Because your paying them both anyway. By using the rule on Shandon you save more $$$ because his deal is bigger. So you just cut JYD, and amnesty Shandon and you save about $1.5mm

Its not my money, but $1.5mm is $1.5mm

ahh.... no we dont.

Posted by technomaster:

It's all a numbers game... no dissin' on JYD... but we're stuffed w/ young players. Fine, Lee is a rookie. What about 2nd year man Ariza and Q-Rich? And everyone's fan fave, Sweetney? These are all players that could use the JYD minutes. Not to mention Tim Thomas...

I doubt there's any bad blood on his end-- He should feel grateful that he's getting all that free money, plus has the opportunity to sign w/ a contender to finish off his career-- he'll have many opportunities to burn the Knicks for letting him go.

The Knicks organization must've liked him as a person-- they used him widely as a commentator/announcer for all sorts of charity events. He seems like a great guy.

those guys along with frye and sweetne could use Rose's minutes more than they could use JYD's 5mins per game

Posted by nyballer:

Posted by rvhoss:

don't forget, if JYD signs with another team, we get that money.

Posted by fishmike:

Hey, Isles, what if they wanted to keep Jackie Butler? How would waiving Shandon make sense then?

yes. Because your paying them both anyway. By using the rule on Shandon you save more $$$ because his deal is bigger. So you just cut JYD, and amnesty Shandon and you save about $1.5mm

Its not my money, but $1.5mm is $1.5mm

Great, we only lose 1 million instead of 1.5 million. how about this? in training camp malik rose suffers a pretty bad injury. now we have nobody that can play defense at the 4. it doesn't make sense...isiah can always clear up a roster spot whenever he wants...the money they save by waiving Shandon is a one-time opportunity with NO loss. there is no reason for Isiah to address the roster spot issue with the amnesty clause. what some of us get and what some don't is that waiving shandon anderson really is the best scenario financially and from a common sense stand point. wave JYD later on if it's for a roster spot! you save more money this way, and you have more flexibility if someone gets hurt/if JYD is needed as a perimeter defender. Butler should be in thE NBDL anyway, he's nowhere ready to play for us.

Good point- IT could have tried to trade Rose or JYD all the way training camp and bought them out then if he couldn't find a taker.

Posted by DarkKnicks:

Posted by rvhoss:

You say that in Texas and they'd string you up.

Rose brings intelligence (see him pull out the chair on shaq) and championship savvy and Brown loves him.

Do you guys know anything about basketball? Do you watch the games? Do stats count for anything? Rose is a far better option than JYD...I need proof JYD is our second best defender btw...cause if that isn't a made up fact, I don't know what is.

Rose played on a CHAMPIONSHIP team defending the other teams best low post threat (SHAQ btw) out west in the playoffs while Duncan stayed out of foul trouble and they WON A CHAMPIONSHIP.

JYD has done what in his career?

Posted by DarkKnicks:

I think Isiah is right with the fact that we had to waive a PF, but I don't agree with the one he has chosen. I'm going to tell you now before it happens: I'm gonna be if Malik Rose becomes our new starting PF. In my opinion he is the most overrated player in our roster.

Hey, did you need to ask those stupid question?? It is not that I hate Malik Rose, simply we did not need him. Do you want me to tell you that he is great because Duncan gave him two championships??? Mohammed shall be great then. We don't need him because with Sweetney, Taylor and Williams (and Lee) IN MY OPINION we had a very well balanced group of PF's AND because he has the longest contract. Can he play center??? Oh, that's what we need now! A 6'7 center!!!(that can only happen in the Knicks as alwaysy) I don't want another player who gets 10 boards a game playing 36 minutes being a starter while we are losing tons of games and stopping Sweetney development instead of just a role player who lets Sweetney and Taylor (who are both better in my eyes han Rose) get almost all the playing time without a single complaint. If he did not care, I would be ok, but he is going to complaint a lot, and he will get all the playing time he wants. And I honestly CAN'T see the Knicks winning anything with a starting front court of Jerome James and Malik Rose.

Posted by simrud:

Stats don't tell the story when comparing JYD and Taylor.

Taylor is a lazy out of shape no defense dog. JYD is an energy player who provides a spark of the bench. Taylor type players destroy teams, JYD type players make them.

Taylor only contributes on offense where we already have plenty, and if swill post anybody it should be Sweetney first, Q second, and JJ thrid. JYD was our only defensive stopper.

this is a business man, let the Knicks brass handle their business man...

even though JYD got waived, he's free to sign anywhere. let him. If JYD turns into Tim Duncan part 2, IT will take blame for that. What's the chances of that. Please. JYD would get 3 to 10 minutes on any decent team. And on bad teams he'd get no minutes since bad teams are trying to build up the rooks. JYD's set for life, he played pro ball, had a good career. As long as he's alive, he's a millionaire. He can just go to a nice beach, kick back and just chill somewhere. I'd take 20 mil over the next 3 years not to play ball. Money like that lasts 3 lifetimes. At least a long time. Plus he can pad his income by signing with another team... I dont feel bad for JYD.

Posted by nyballer:

Posted by rvhoss:

don't forget, if JYD signs with another team, we get that money.

Posted by fishmike:

Hey, Isles, what if they wanted to keep Jackie Butler? How would waiving Shandon make sense then?

yes. Because your paying them both anyway. By using the rule on Shandon you save more $$$ because his deal is bigger. So you just cut JYD, and amnesty Shandon and you save about $1.5mm

Its not my money, but $1.5mm is $1.5mm

Great, we only lose 1 million instead of 1.5 million. how about this? in training camp malik rose suffers a pretty bad injury. now we have nobody that can play defense at the 4. it doesn't make sense...isiah can always clear up a roster spot whenever he wants...the money they save by waiving Shandon is a one-time opportunity with NO loss. there is no reason for Isiah to address the roster spot issue with the amnesty clause. what some of us get and what some don't is that waiving shandon anderson really is the best scenario financially and from a common sense stand point. wave JYD later on if it's for a roster spot! you save more money this way, and you have more flexibility if someone gets hurt/if JYD is needed as a perimeter defender. Butler should be in thE NBDL anyway, he's nowhere ready to play for us.

Q: Is there a reduction in a team's financial obligation to an amnesty player once he signs a new contract with another team? Or can a player double-dip?

A: The union fought to make double-dipping permissable, but the league held firm and won the right in the end to apply the usual set-off provision for players released with money owed to any amnesty player's new contract. That means a percentage of the player's new salary will go back to the team that released him.