GoNyGoNyGo wrote:HOW am i supposed to know what the classifed document says, ITS CLASSIFIED!!!! THat is a nice attempt at steering away from what we are talking about btw.

https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRC_Email_1_296/HRCH3/DOC_0C05739808/C05739808.pdf

This is it.

I am taking the FBI at its word, these are there documents! THey say nothing happened, they did not re-classify and nothing was given in exchange. That does not change that Kennedy wanted it changed and buried.

No, you are not. You're taking the 1/2 of the conflicting FBI account that appeals to you the most.

At issue are somewhat contradictory interview notes contained in the crop of newly released FBI documents. In one, an FBI official recounted hearing second-hand that the State Department had offered a "quid pro quo" in exchange for declassifying an email. In another, a different FBI official said he told State Department he'd look into the email, if State Department looked into his request for personnel in Iraq.

The newly released documents contain a summary of interview notes related to the FBI's investigation into whether classified information was improperly handled while Clinton was secretary of state.

But another interview contained in the same collection said that though Kennedy reached out to FBI about declassifying the email, it was the FBI that brought up getting agents stationed in Iraq.

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

fishmike wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Honestly, I've lost the chain of thought regarding our discussion. It has gone all over the place.
When I make a fair point or answer a question, you just jump to what is wrong with something I've said.

Perhaps it's because I dispute your point are fair, and instead of just carpet bombing the thread with unsubstantiated declarations of my personal opinion, I'm explaining why your points aren't fair.

I'm not surprised it hard to keep track, because there is no objective grounding to your "points"... all they are is again, intellectual nihilism. All you seem to believe are conspiracy-driven Youtube videos.

Time and time again, I make valid points and you just jump over them. You attack what you think is the weakest. You leave most behind.

I think logic and deduction are important and central to this debate, but when you go to the "Well, she wasn't convicted." argument, while leaving valid points behind, now you create an argument based on your standards. Again - Al Capone was only a tax evader.

And this is exactly why I make a habit of quoting every specific point I respond to, so this doesn't happen. Or at least there is no excuse for it.

I have never once responded "well, she wasn't convicted." I haven't ever implied anything like it. I haven't even engaged you in ANY discussion or retort about Hillary Clinton at all.

And this is demonstrative of the problem I've identified. Lack of an objective grounding. You're just repeating a overarching POV (rather than facts or data) in absence of any context.

And why you make a habbit of skipping over any points of relevance. Seems like the Hillary supporters often mention the "conviction" thing, if you didn't say it, no big deal.

What do you think of Hillary accepting 25 million from Saudi Arabia?
What does your heart say? Your mind is extremely clear.

See posts from Bonn and myself. Now it appears you are grasping for anything that casts doubt and shade on her. Whatever their motives they generate a massive amount of money for philanthropy. You are really whiffing here and its becoming apparent you have no interest in truth. Cmon man

Sorry bro, I forget, it's all about Donald Trump Bashing and his incorrect (and rude) use of the word Pu$$y.

What is 25 million accepted from a terrorist organization? Yeah, it would just be someone else.
And it would be another country abusing woman, homosexuals, etc.
And it is old news, not like Trumps 11 year old saying of... oh wait.

Looks like Clinton supporters are guiding things...

Curious though, what does your heart say?

Did you read my post? Hillary did NOT accept money from these countries and did NOT take one penny from them.

What money? Clintons do not need any money... they already have enough.
Not sure why this bunch of lairs has more respect that Trump bunch.
In my books they can all go hell together.
I have my own view of the world and do not want anybody or everybody to force any of theirs on me.
So I think in this respect Trump is exactly what I want to see running for president.
He is the symptom of change. Most likely he does not know it and it is not his intentions by any means.
But the change is needed badly and it will manifest itself if we want it or not.
The way the dictatorship of "political correctness" and "pretensions morality" went will not end good for the country.
We need to heal our-self from this terrible illness and this elections are very good shock therapy to start the heeling process.

Trump is for change??..What change are you referring to because a lot of his proposals are like previous republicans..Cut tax for the rich and put troops on the ground in Iraq..Scap Obamacare and war with Iran..Arrogance in the Oval offic..What change are you seeing that I'm not seeing?? Bromance with Putin??

The only thing different is he says he will bring jobs back which is impossible..That's total nonsense..Those industries are long gone..Coal is dead..

Change of the attitude is the biggest change.
Everybody are tired of lies and empty promises from both Reps and Dems.
Trump is not a solution but him being supported by 37% of voters is a sign of things to come.
Everyone with this warmed up little pony place in "the system" should start looking for real work to do.
The politicians and establishments are so irrelevant that it is not even funny.

Sorry Akrud, your math is wrong.

If Trump had 37% of support independent of baked-in Republican support, he'd win in a landslide. That vast majority of that 37% is people who would only vote Republican in any circumstance, people who are holding their nose while supporting him because they are republican zealots.

What small, single percentage of Trump-only supporters that may or may not exist are likely not sophisticated and intelligent enough to organize following defeat.

If people want to already start declaring the vague platitude of "just wait" as their consolation prize 3 weeks before the election, no rational argument is going to convince them otherwise ... so enjoy.

See ya in 2020 I guess. Say hello to the Tea Party in meantime.

I absolutely will wait because I want both Dems and Reps to be defeated.
They both worthless. And both Trump and Hilary are worthless 10-fold.

The same way recording artists are increasing no longer reliant on record companies to get their music out maybe one day we'll get to a point where political candidates will not need the democrat or republican apparatus to run for national office?

In a system in which we have less than 60% in eligible participation and the majority of that less-than-60% are low information voters, we will not.

A good deal of our electorate simply WANTS to choose between Democrat and republican. They want a simple, binary choice.

That isn't changing anytime soon.

The demographics is changing rapidly with Asian and Latin American immigrants will dominate the US future.
Millennials are also very different from what boomers generation was.
This will bring completely new cultural mix and attitude about governance structure will surely change.
We are in the beginning stages of new technological and industrial revolution which will drastically change the whole structure of the society. The world population started to shrink. The world political order and borders are falling apart.
Traditional political structures are aging and not inclusive. They are clearly not up for challenges they will soon face.
They need to change or new political parties will rise above them.
The fact that all they can extract in order to compete are Trump and Hilary reinforced the fact how irrelevant they are.

Despite your objections, Obama turned out to be pretty good and a man thinking about the future and change. The Republicans didn't like the taste of change..Millennials, Latin Americans(71%) loved him and you didn't like him much...So what type of change do you seek???..

We can discard one party for now, which seems to be happening on it's own...

Obama was elected with hopes for change.
Being a part of stagnant power structure himself he never get anywhere.
A bunch of promises with no practical moves.
Same donors, same stagnation.
Inequality get dipper and social corruption increase without enabling new leaders.
We need conservative economical modes with liberal social inclusiveness.
Avoid socialism/communism disaster at all cost and promote humanity and spirituality at the same time.
We need new frontiers to make people employed and find some purpose in life.
Too many challenges for narrow minded bureaucrats.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/hillary-clinton-lesbian-sex-claims-vince-foster-fixer/

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

fishmike wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Honestly, I've lost the chain of thought regarding our discussion. It has gone all over the place.
When I make a fair point or answer a question, you just jump to what is wrong with something I've said.

Perhaps it's because I dispute your point are fair, and instead of just carpet bombing the thread with unsubstantiated declarations of my personal opinion, I'm explaining why your points aren't fair.

I'm not surprised it hard to keep track, because there is no objective grounding to your "points"... all they are is again, intellectual nihilism. All you seem to believe are conspiracy-driven Youtube videos.

Time and time again, I make valid points and you just jump over them. You attack what you think is the weakest. You leave most behind.

I think logic and deduction are important and central to this debate, but when you go to the "Well, she wasn't convicted." argument, while leaving valid points behind, now you create an argument based on your standards. Again - Al Capone was only a tax evader.

And this is exactly why I make a habit of quoting every specific point I respond to, so this doesn't happen. Or at least there is no excuse for it.

I have never once responded "well, she wasn't convicted." I haven't ever implied anything like it. I haven't even engaged you in ANY discussion or retort about Hillary Clinton at all.

And this is demonstrative of the problem I've identified. Lack of an objective grounding. You're just repeating a overarching POV (rather than facts or data) in absence of any context.

And why you make a habbit of skipping over any points of relevance. Seems like the Hillary supporters often mention the "conviction" thing, if you didn't say it, no big deal.

What do you think of Hillary accepting 25 million from Saudi Arabia?
What does your heart say? Your mind is extremely clear.

See posts from Bonn and myself. Now it appears you are grasping for anything that casts doubt and shade on her. Whatever their motives they generate a massive amount of money for philanthropy. You are really whiffing here and its becoming apparent you have no interest in truth. Cmon man

Sorry bro, I forget, it's all about Donald Trump Bashing and his incorrect (and rude) use of the word Pu$$y.

What is 25 million accepted from a terrorist organization? Yeah, it would just be someone else.
And it would be another country abusing woman, homosexuals, etc.
And it is old news, not like Trumps 11 year old saying of... oh wait.

Looks like Clinton supporters are guiding things...

Curious though, what does your heart say?

Did you read my post? Hillary did NOT accept money from these countries and did NOT take one penny from them.

What money? Clintons do not need any money... they already have enough.
Not sure why this bunch of lairs has more respect that Trump bunch.
In my books they can all go hell together.
I have my own view of the world and do not want anybody or everybody to force any of theirs on me.
So I think in this respect Trump is exactly what I want to see running for president.
He is the symptom of change. Most likely he does not know it and it is not his intentions by any means.
But the change is needed badly and it will manifest itself if we want it or not.
The way the dictatorship of "political correctness" and "pretensions morality" went will not end good for the country.
We need to heal our-self from this terrible illness and this elections are very good shock therapy to start the heeling process.

Trump is for change??..What change are you referring to because a lot of his proposals are like previous republicans..Cut tax for the rich and put troops on the ground in Iraq..Scap Obamacare and war with Iran..Arrogance in the Oval offic..What change are you seeing that I'm not seeing?? Bromance with Putin??

The only thing different is he says he will bring jobs back which is impossible..That's total nonsense..Those industries are long gone..Coal is dead..

Change of the attitude is the biggest change.
Everybody are tired of lies and empty promises from both Reps and Dems.
Trump is not a solution but him being supported by 37% of voters is a sign of things to come.
Everyone with this warmed up little pony place in "the system" should start looking for real work to do.
The politicians and establishments are so irrelevant that it is not even funny.

Sorry Akrud, your math is wrong.

If Trump had 37% of support independent of baked-in Republican support, he'd win in a landslide. That vast majority of that 37% is people who would only vote Republican in any circumstance, people who are holding their nose while supporting him because they are republican zealots.

What small, single percentage of Trump-only supporters that may or may not exist are likely not sophisticated and intelligent enough to organize following defeat.

If people want to already start declaring the vague platitude of "just wait" as their consolation prize 3 weeks before the election, no rational argument is going to convince them otherwise ... so enjoy.

See ya in 2020 I guess. Say hello to the Tea Party in meantime.

I absolutely will wait because I want both Dems and Reps to be defeated.
They both worthless. And both Trump and Hilary are worthless 10-fold.

The same way recording artists are increasing no longer reliant on record companies to get their music out maybe one day we'll get to a point where political candidates will not need the democrat or republican apparatus to run for national office?

In a system in which we have less than 60% in eligible participation and the majority of that less-than-60% are low information voters, we will not.

A good deal of our electorate simply WANTS to choose between Democrat and republican. They want a simple, binary choice.

That isn't changing anytime soon.

The demographics is changing rapidly with Asian and Latin American immigrants will dominate the US future.
Millennials are also very different from what boomers generation was.
This will bring completely new cultural mix and attitude about governance structure will surely change.
We are in the beginning stages of new technological and industrial revolution which will drastically change the whole structure of the society. The world population started to shrink. The world political order and borders are falling apart.
Traditional political structures are aging and not inclusive. They are clearly not up for challenges they will soon face.
They need to change or new political parties will rise above them.
The fact that all they can extract in order to compete are Trump and Hilary reinforced the fact how irrelevant they are.

Despite your objections, Obama turned out to be pretty good and a man thinking about the future and change. The Republicans didn't like the taste of change..Millennials, Latin Americans(71%) loved him and you didn't like him much...So what type of change do you seek???..

We can discard one party for now, which seems to be happening on it's own...

Obama was elected with hopes for change.
Being a part of stagnant power structure himself he never get anywhere.
A bunch of promises with no practical moves.
Same donors, same stagnation.
Inequality get dipper and social corruption increase without enabling new leaders.
We need conservative economical modes with liberal social inclusiveness.
Avoid socialism/communism disaster at all cost and promote humanity and spirituality at the same time.
We need new frontiers to make people employed and find some purpose in life.
Too many challenges for narrow minded bureaucrats.

What you're advocating isn't a political revolution, it's a cultural one. Society doesn't follow politics, it's the other way around.

Jesus, this guy is out of his element. It looks more and more like he thinks he's in a WWE show.

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

fishmike wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Honestly, I've lost the chain of thought regarding our discussion. It has gone all over the place.
When I make a fair point or answer a question, you just jump to what is wrong with something I've said.

Perhaps it's because I dispute your point are fair, and instead of just carpet bombing the thread with unsubstantiated declarations of my personal opinion, I'm explaining why your points aren't fair.

I'm not surprised it hard to keep track, because there is no objective grounding to your "points"... all they are is again, intellectual nihilism. All you seem to believe are conspiracy-driven Youtube videos.

Time and time again, I make valid points and you just jump over them. You attack what you think is the weakest. You leave most behind.

I think logic and deduction are important and central to this debate, but when you go to the "Well, she wasn't convicted." argument, while leaving valid points behind, now you create an argument based on your standards. Again - Al Capone was only a tax evader.

And this is exactly why I make a habit of quoting every specific point I respond to, so this doesn't happen. Or at least there is no excuse for it.

I have never once responded "well, she wasn't convicted." I haven't ever implied anything like it. I haven't even engaged you in ANY discussion or retort about Hillary Clinton at all.

And this is demonstrative of the problem I've identified. Lack of an objective grounding. You're just repeating a overarching POV (rather than facts or data) in absence of any context.

And why you make a habbit of skipping over any points of relevance. Seems like the Hillary supporters often mention the "conviction" thing, if you didn't say it, no big deal.

What do you think of Hillary accepting 25 million from Saudi Arabia?
What does your heart say? Your mind is extremely clear.

See posts from Bonn and myself. Now it appears you are grasping for anything that casts doubt and shade on her. Whatever their motives they generate a massive amount of money for philanthropy. You are really whiffing here and its becoming apparent you have no interest in truth. Cmon man

Sorry bro, I forget, it's all about Donald Trump Bashing and his incorrect (and rude) use of the word Pu$$y.

What is 25 million accepted from a terrorist organization? Yeah, it would just be someone else.
And it would be another country abusing woman, homosexuals, etc.
And it is old news, not like Trumps 11 year old saying of... oh wait.

Looks like Clinton supporters are guiding things...

Curious though, what does your heart say?

Did you read my post? Hillary did NOT accept money from these countries and did NOT take one penny from them.

What money? Clintons do not need any money... they already have enough.
Not sure why this bunch of lairs has more respect that Trump bunch.
In my books they can all go hell together.
I have my own view of the world and do not want anybody or everybody to force any of theirs on me.
So I think in this respect Trump is exactly what I want to see running for president.
He is the symptom of change. Most likely he does not know it and it is not his intentions by any means.
But the change is needed badly and it will manifest itself if we want it or not.
The way the dictatorship of "political correctness" and "pretensions morality" went will not end good for the country.
We need to heal our-self from this terrible illness and this elections are very good shock therapy to start the heeling process.

Trump is for change??..What change are you referring to because a lot of his proposals are like previous republicans..Cut tax for the rich and put troops on the ground in Iraq..Scap Obamacare and war with Iran..Arrogance in the Oval offic..What change are you seeing that I'm not seeing?? Bromance with Putin??

The only thing different is he says he will bring jobs back which is impossible..That's total nonsense..Those industries are long gone..Coal is dead..

Change of the attitude is the biggest change.
Everybody are tired of lies and empty promises from both Reps and Dems.
Trump is not a solution but him being supported by 37% of voters is a sign of things to come.
Everyone with this warmed up little pony place in "the system" should start looking for real work to do.
The politicians and establishments are so irrelevant that it is not even funny.

Sorry Akrud, your math is wrong.

If Trump had 37% of support independent of baked-in Republican support, he'd win in a landslide. That vast majority of that 37% is people who would only vote Republican in any circumstance, people who are holding their nose while supporting him because they are republican zealots.

What small, single percentage of Trump-only supporters that may or may not exist are likely not sophisticated and intelligent enough to organize following defeat.

If people want to already start declaring the vague platitude of "just wait" as their consolation prize 3 weeks before the election, no rational argument is going to convince them otherwise ... so enjoy.

See ya in 2020 I guess. Say hello to the Tea Party in meantime.

I absolutely will wait because I want both Dems and Reps to be defeated.
They both worthless. And both Trump and Hilary are worthless 10-fold.

The same way recording artists are increasing no longer reliant on record companies to get their music out maybe one day we'll get to a point where political candidates will not need the democrat or republican apparatus to run for national office?

In a system in which we have less than 60% in eligible participation and the majority of that less-than-60% are low information voters, we will not.

A good deal of our electorate simply WANTS to choose between Democrat and republican. They want a simple, binary choice.

That isn't changing anytime soon.

The demographics is changing rapidly with Asian and Latin American immigrants will dominate the US future.
Millennials are also very different from what boomers generation was.
This will bring completely new cultural mix and attitude about governance structure will surely change.
We are in the beginning stages of new technological and industrial revolution which will drastically change the whole structure of the society. The world population started to shrink. The world political order and borders are falling apart.
Traditional political structures are aging and not inclusive. They are clearly not up for challenges they will soon face.
They need to change or new political parties will rise above them.
The fact that all they can extract in order to compete are Trump and Hilary reinforced the fact how irrelevant they are.

Despite your objections, Obama turned out to be pretty good and a man thinking about the future and change. The Republicans didn't like the taste of change..Millennials, Latin Americans(71%) loved him and you didn't like him much...So what type of change do you seek???..

We can discard one party for now, which seems to be happening on it's own...

Obama was elected with hopes for change.
Being a part of stagnant power structure himself he never get anywhere.
A bunch of promises with no practical moves.
Same donors, same stagnation.
Inequality get dipper and social corruption increase without enabling new leaders.
We need conservative economical modes with liberal social inclusiveness.
Avoid socialism/communism disaster at all cost and promote humanity and spirituality at the same time.
We need new frontiers to make people employed and find some purpose in life.
Too many challenges for narrow minded bureaucrats.

reub wrote:

TheGame wrote:

reub wrote:Where's Hillary? Now we know. Having sex trysts with married men and women, smearing Bill's "problem" women, hiring hit men, covering up his hookers. Do you think the main stream media will report it?

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/hillary-clinton-lesbian-sex-claims-vince-foster-fixer/

Lol. The national enquirer is influencing your decision making. Grow up and become an informed voter on the issues that matter and not a bunch of b.s.

No you're listening to the NY Times which gave Hillary veto power over their stories, Politico, where a reporter sent his story to Podesta for approval and called himself a "hack", and CNN which gave Hillary debate questions ahead of time. Plus People magazine too!

reub, I'll admit it. I have relied almost solely on one media source to tip the scales in determining that Donald Trump isn't temperamentally qualified, informed enough in the issues, or able to grasp and interpret new information in a manner required to be President of the United States. It has published streams and streams of anti-Trump rhetoric and has zero journalistic integrity.

It is of course Donald Trump's own confirmed Twitter account.

You're right. To hell with the NY Times, Politico, CNN and People. My mind was made up before Alicia Machado, Access Hollywood, Summer Zveros, etc.

His Twitter account, raw pool footage from his rallies, his own Convention and the 90 minutes of the debates more than informed me what I need to know.