gr33d wrote:

martin wrote:

The graph posted here, is a clear indicator...

Look at the spike, where illegals (and most the country) assumed Hillary would win. They were flocking here, figuring it would be more of the same free ride. And the sharp decline, once Trump was elected.

What is this administrations impact you ask? I think you know the answer.

gr33d wrote:

martin wrote:

The graph posted here, is a clear indicator...

Look at the spike, where illegals (and most the country) assumed Hillary would win. They were flocking here, figuring it would be more of the same free ride. And the sharp decline, once Trump was elected.

What is this administrations impact you ask? I think you know the answer.

Ah, I see you call them 'illegals' to dehumanize them. It's such a stupid term. I'm going to start calling Trump voters 'Trumps'

gr33d wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gr33d wrote:

martin wrote:

The graph posted here, is a clear indicator...

Look at the spike, where illegals (and most the country) assumed Hillary would win. They were flocking here, figuring it would be more of the same free ride. And the sharp decline, once Trump was elected.

What is this administrations impact you ask? I think you know the answer.

Ah, I see you call them 'illegals' to dehumanize them. It's such a stupid term. I'm going to start calling Trump voters 'Trumps'

Dehumanize, bit of a stretch there...

Let's not dehumanize drug dealers either right? It would be more appropriate to call them undocumented pharmacists, correct?

Not sure how you jump from illegal immigrants to drug dealers, however, using the same logic as changing "Illegal immigrants" to "illegals", then "drug dealers" should become "drugs". That's how non-sensical the term "illegals" is.

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:Jesus, what the hell is wrong with these people:

http://www.salon.com/2017/03/09/mike-flynn-trumps-former-national-security-adviser-lobbied-for-turkey-during-campaign/

Gen. Mike Flynn, the former White House national security adviser who resigned last month for misleading government officials, registered as a foreign agent with the Justice Department on Tuesday for lobbying work he did on behalf of the Turkish government during the 2016 presidential campaign.

Flynn registered with the Justice Department’s Foreign Agent Registration Unit, claiming $530,000 worth of work from August through November that “could be construed to have principally benefited the Republic of Turkey.” It was filed by a lawyer on behalf of the former lieutenant general and intelligence chief.

Under the Foreign Agent Registration Act, U.S. citizens who lobby for a foreign government must disclose their work to the Justice Department. Willfully failing to register is a felony, although the Justice Department rarely pursues such cases. Lobbying firms routinely get back in compliance by retroactively registering and disclosing their work.

These are the people who were supposed to "drain the swamp"..

You can't make up the stupidity:

“What about men having to purchase prenatal care?” asked Republican representative John Shimkus. This was in regards to healthcare and what should be included.

Or the other Congressman when told their bill will adversely affect the poor and the elderly, those on Medicaid, he responds...The poor ‘just don’t want health care’..

gr33d wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gr33d wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gr33d wrote:

martin wrote:

The graph posted here, is a clear indicator...

Look at the spike, where illegals (and most the country) assumed Hillary would win. They were flocking here, figuring it would be more of the same free ride. And the sharp decline, once Trump was elected.

What is this administrations impact you ask? I think you know the answer.

Ah, I see you call them 'illegals' to dehumanize them. It's such a stupid term. I'm going to start calling Trump voters 'Trumps'

Dehumanize, bit of a stretch there...

Let's not dehumanize drug dealers either right? It would be more appropriate to call them undocumented pharmacists, correct?

Not sure how you jump from illegal immigrants to drug dealers, however, using the same logic as changing "Illegal immigrants" to "illegals", then "drug dealers" should become "drugs". That's how non-sensical the term "illegals" is.

Splitting hairs and I stand by my analogy... Regardless of how you want to rearrange the words and add sprinkles, the crime of coming here illegally and/or overstaying a visa is no less offensive.

Back to the graph... Can we at least agree that Trumps presence alone has had an impact on border crossings?

The whole country is founded and built on illegal immigration (followed by theft and genocide)! I don't get the moral high ground and outrage vs people who come here 'illegally'

Also, check out the drop in tourism- his presence has put off a lot of people 'legal' and 'illegal' alike from coming or wanting to come here. If you think that's a good thing, or that him being so obnoxious and unlikeable that people want to avoid the country is some sort of quality or achievement, then crack on!

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2017/feb/28/us-tourism-experiences-a-trump-slump

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4257478/Trump-s-travel-ban-cost-tourism-industry-3BILLION.html

smackeddog wrote:

gr33d wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gr33d wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gr33d wrote:

martin wrote:

The graph posted here, is a clear indicator...

Look at the spike, where illegals (and most the country) assumed Hillary would win. They were flocking here, figuring it would be more of the same free ride. And the sharp decline, once Trump was elected.

What is this administrations impact you ask? I think you know the answer.

Ah, I see you call them 'illegals' to dehumanize them. It's such a stupid term. I'm going to start calling Trump voters 'Trumps'

Dehumanize, bit of a stretch there...

Let's not dehumanize drug dealers either right? It would be more appropriate to call them undocumented pharmacists, correct?

Not sure how you jump from illegal immigrants to drug dealers, however, using the same logic as changing "Illegal immigrants" to "illegals", then "drug dealers" should become "drugs". That's how non-sensical the term "illegals" is.

Splitting hairs and I stand by my analogy... Regardless of how you want to rearrange the words and add sprinkles, the crime of coming here illegally and/or overstaying a visa is no less offensive.

Back to the graph... Can we at least agree that Trumps presence alone has had an impact on border crossings?

The whole country is founded and built on illegal immigration (followed by theft and genocide)! I don't get the moral high ground and outrage vs people who come here 'illegally'

Also, check out the drop in tourism- his presence has put off a lot of people 'legal' and 'illegal' alike from coming or wanting to come here. If you think that's a good thing, or that him being so obnoxious and unlikeable that people want to avoid the country is some sort of quality or achievement, then crack on!

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2017/feb/28/us-tourism-experiences-a-trump-slump

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4257478/Trump-s-travel-ban-cost-tourism-industry-3BILLION.html

Moral high ground is now necessary to follow laws?

I can't comment on events between settlers and Native American Indians or its impact on illegal immigration as it stands today. We were founded on many things that have since been regulated to no end, immigration is no different.

Ok, there is likely an impact on tourism. If that's the cost for securing a better vetting process to help protect Americans, isn't it worth the cost?

martin wrote:America wanted changed and we need it, our nation is crumbling. Buttress this with the fact that a large majority of the members of our Congress and Senate are in it for themselves and are protected by Gerrymandering and so get elected over and over and over despite the fact that they continue to be overtly inept, corrupt, self-serving or just stupid. How does someone like Santorum get elected? Michele Bachmann? How does James Inhofe keep getting re-elected? How about Jeff Sessions?

So a majority of our voters latched onto the best con man out there, someone who indeed did promise a lot of change that seems to reverberate with the populous - "drain the swamp" - but that is not what this guy was capable or even intending to bring to the office of the presidency with him. He can't plan, does not have the work ethic or management capabilities to pull off anything, his previous style of business was bullying and intimation and failure after failure (we already know that his inheritance backed by an ungodly tax break is the backbone of his empire).

This is what we get when we are duped. The Republican party has duped America for a long time starting with Trickle Down Economics followed by unnecessary wars and buildup of military without similar expenditures on education, healthcare, infrastructure and investment in future.

People in US and elsewhere are coming to realization that human society is driven by objective lows of behavior exactly the same as low of physics define the universe.
And as the "Law of conservation of energy" defines the physical world the "Law of Supply and Demand" defines how human societies work.
If society has demand for education, healthcare, infrastructure and investment in future, the supply will arise.
Politicians as well as any other humans cannot change the lows of the society same as we cannot change the lows of physics.
We can only understand them and use for our advantage.
If contrary we will try to work against this laws and run against the wind sooner or later we will be crashed and society will return to the stale the objective lows of its behavior dictate. Many nations tried and millions straggle and vanished in fight to reverse or alter this laws. No one obviously succeed.
Illegal immigration is a natural process produced by unfulfilled demand for workforce in US and as this demand will go down so will go down the supply.
America tried the hardest to build the society as close as possible to the objective lows of its behavior. And many other cultures and countries tried and still trying to twist it. That's why we have demand for military and that's why the isolationism grows.
Less our politicians do the better to keep society intact from unattended mangling into natural flow of things.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/obamacare-revision-would-reduce-insured-numbers-by-24-million/2017/03/13/ea4c860a-0829-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html?utm_term=.c6bab9b49be1