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3/8/2017  10:30 AM
America wanted changed and we need it, our nation is crumbling. Buttress this with the fact that a large majority of the members of our Congress and Senate are in it for themselves and are protected by Gerrymandering and so get elected over and over and over despite the fact that they continue to be overtly inept, corrupt, self-serving or just stupid. How does someone like Santorum get elected? Michele Bachmann? How does James Inhofe keep getting re-elected? How about Jeff Sessions?

So a majority of our voters latched onto the best con man out there, someone who indeed did promise a lot of change that seems to reverberate with the populous - "drain the swamp" - but that is not what this guy was capable or even intending to bring to the office of the presidency with him. He can't plan, does not have the work ethic or management capabilities to pull off anything, his previous style of business was bullying and intimation and failure after failure (we already know that his inheritance backed by an ungodly tax break is the backbone of his empire).

This is what we get when we are duped. The Republican party has duped America for a long time starting with Trickle Down Economics followed by unnecessary wars and buildup of military without similar expenditures on education, healthcare, infrastructure and investment in future.

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3/8/2017  10:42 AM
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smackeddog wrote:A serious question at this point, after listening to all the fiction he spouts, do posters believe Trump is a liar, or do you think he's delusional?

i think you can make a case that he's not mentally all there or has a behavior disorder. he also has all the tell tale signs of being a pathological liar. i wish there were some mechanisms in place to force public officials to take both a physical and mental exam before being able to run for office. the problem we are having here is folks rallying behind him w/o even trying to be objective. you feel immigration is a problem? fine. but the way this administration is handling this is totally incompetent. there is no real plan and things are not being thoroughly investigated and thought out. same with many of his other policies(?). that is what should be troubling his supporters.


a neuropyschologist friend who works at one of the best institutions in the country..... i won't disclose names to protect him/her. friend said that trump would fail eval for a normal sound mind and would probably be prescribed medication, therapy, in follow-ups. friend said there's several visual signs and behavioral signs that point to this.

Admin not even fully in place thanks to the pre planned obstruction but in six weeks they have already taken on the decades long issue of illegal immigration more so than all the politically correct babblers who let it fester. Pubs and Dems are all liars and hypocrites but more sophisticated in masking, Bernie was probably the most honest. Donnie lies, exaggerates, distorts and it doesn't matter because this is the present state where lower standards have become imbedded in our culture. Despite all the nonsensical focus on peripheral garbage, he's going forward with the core of his agenda that he ran on and his focus on truly growing the economy is refreshing to many. His unpresidential rants appeal to his avid supporters because they see it as taking no sheet from controlling power brokers whether it be Washington or Hollywood. They are fine with him being the outside power broker. He aint a dem or liberal but he also aint a pub or conservative if you are look closely, he's likely going to get just as much resistance from Pubs to certain changes because there is never any meeting of minds due to adherence to party lines. Reagan and Bush allowed illegal immigration to flourish, Romneycare was the base for Obamacare , Medicaid reform to states was pushed by Bill Clinton etc

btw Cartman, ops are plenty... I know a phd shrink who is one of the best in the city, I cant disclose name to protect him..., he said Donnie is narcissistic but crazy like a fox , brilliant in reading emotions, understands that repetitive self promotion and big themes work. he also believes that he is a change maker for the better , that is where the delusion may exist

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Admin not even fully in place thanks to the pre planned obstruction but in six weeks they have already taken on the decades long issue of illegal immigration more so than all the politically correct babblers who let it fester.

What exactly has this administration done in regards to illegal immigration? What was its aim and how did it accomplish its goals?

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3/8/2017  11:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/8/2017  11:22 AM
meloanyk wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
smackeddog wrote:A serious question at this point, after listening to all the fiction he spouts, do posters believe Trump is a liar, or do you think he's delusional?

i think you can make a case that he's not mentally all there or has a behavior disorder. he also has all the tell tale signs of being a pathological liar. i wish there were some mechanisms in place to force public officials to take both a physical and mental exam before being able to run for office. the problem we are having here is folks rallying behind him w/o even trying to be objective. you feel immigration is a problem? fine. but the way this administration is handling this is totally incompetent. there is no real plan and things are not being thoroughly investigated and thought out. same with many of his other policies(?). that is what should be troubling his supporters.


a neuropyschologist friend who works at one of the best institutions in the country..... i won't disclose names to protect him/her. friend said that trump would fail eval for a normal sound mind and would probably be prescribed medication, therapy, in follow-ups. friend said there's several visual signs and behavioral signs that point to this.

Admin not even fully in place thanks to the pre planned obstruction but in six weeks they have already taken on the decades long issue of illegal immigration more so than all the politically correct babblers who let it fester. Pubs and Dems are all liars and hypocrites but more sophisticated in masking, Bernie was probably the most honest. Donnie lies, exaggerates, distorts and it doesn't matter because this is the present state where lower standards have become imbedded in our culture. Despite all the nonsensical focus on peripheral garbage, he's going forward with the core of his agenda that he ran on and his focus on truly growing the economy is refreshing to many. His unpresidential rants appeal to his avid supporters because they see it as taking no sheet from controlling power brokers whether it be Washington or Hollywood. They are fine with him being the outside power broker. He aint a dem or liberal but he also aint a pub or conservative if you are look closely, he's likely going to get just as much resistance from Pubs to certain changes because there is never any meeting of minds due to adherence to party lines. Reagan and Bush allowed illegal immigration to flourish, Romneycare was the base for Obamacare , Medicaid reform to states was pushed by Bill Clinton etc

btw Cartman, ops are plenty... I know a phd shrink who is one of the best in the city, I cant disclose name to protect him..., he said Donnie is narcissistic but crazy like a fox , brilliant in reading emotions, understands that repetitive self promotion and big themes work. he also believes that he is a change maker for the better , that is where the delusion may exist

BS...He is running the same right wing play book the conservatives/republicans run...Cut taxes that will benefits the rich and powerful(corporate tax cut, repatriation)...Pull the rug out on benefits(Republican Healthcare plan to hit Medicare hard beyond Obamacare)..Blow out the deficit and debt further...Scale back on regulation(pollute the waters again, banks are gouging on credits card fees again, Airlines will be pouching with fees gone amok again)..I don't get the policy confusion...More upfront hate???..Yeah, refreshing..

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3/8/2017  12:55 PM
meloanyk wrote:btw Cartman, ops are plenty... I know a phd shrink who is one of the best in the city, I cant disclose name to protect him..., he said Donnie is narcissistic but crazy like a fox , brilliant in reading emotions, understands that repetitive self promotion and big themes work. he also believes that he is a change maker for the better , that is where the delusion may exist

i dont think he is brilliant in reading emotions. he figured that out by trial and error during primaries. as far as repetitive self promotion...that may work on the weak, but there's a contingent who wield more power (thankfully) who will never buy into that. delusional...doesn't even come close...your buddy understated that part.

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3/8/2017  3:10 PM
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meloanyk wrote:btw Cartman, ops are plenty... I know a phd shrink who is one of the best in the city, I cant disclose name to protect him..., he said Donnie is narcissistic but crazy like a fox , brilliant in reading emotions, understands that repetitive self promotion and big themes work. he also believes that he is a change maker for the better , that is where the delusion may exist

i dont think he is brilliant in reading emotions. he figured that out by trial and error during primaries. as far as repetitive self promotion...that may work on the weak, but there's a contingent who wield more power (thankfully) who will never buy into that. delusional...doesn't even come close...your buddy understated that part.

What do they say about opinions? Reality is that a zany from the private sector who never ran for office beat both lifelong Pubs and Dems despite their machines, their war chests and their backing by the elite and msm. Quite amazing, almost as amazing as President Obama's ascension. Not sure anyone can simply assign it to 63 mil dummies or deplorables, as many of the same cast the 2nd and 7th most white votes for a Dem ever. Smart then, stupid now don't fly though it fits the whine. More about the increasing dissatisfaction with President Obama's policies and actions or lack of. We know most liked/respected President Obama's persona but his direction was continually being rejected at the polls during his tenure leaving the Dems now in a state of disarray. What ensues is a desperate scramble to disrupt and exaggerate the growing pains of an amateur politician. Frantic 'progressives' hope that Donnie Boy fails and the hypocrisy of their actions is the great reveal of their true colors. Perhaps esteemed neurologists, the same brainiacs who also once promoted eugenics can look into that group psychosis. As Kasich stated 'he is our pilot and you hope the pilot succeeds', even if the airline holds back on some freebies now. Expect Dems and the right will continue to resist but their impact and Donnies political success/ demise will hinge on whether he delivers the economic results he promises not some zany tweets

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3/8/2017  3:11 PM
Outrage over $400 million tax break for health insurance executives under GOP Obamacare replacement plan

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/08/400-million-dollar-tax-break-for-insurance-execs-sparks-outrage.html

Democrats on Wednesday broadly blasted a proposed Obamacare replacement bill after learning the federal government would lose about $400 million in lost tax revenue over the next decade due to a sweet break for health insurers.

Rep. Sander Levin, D-Mich., said that the tax break related to executive pay underscores the fact that the Republican replacement bill is "the beginning of a huge giveaway to the very, very wealthy," and the end of insurance coverage for millions of lower-income people.

"We're starting off ... with essentially a giveaway to insurance executives," Levin said.

The proposed tax break, buried in cryptic language in the Republican plan, would allow health insurers to more fully deduct the value of their executives' compensation on their taxes. That compensation can be as high as tens of millions of dollars, in the case of CEOs of insurers.

Those deductions currently are sharply limited by the Affordable Care Act, which caps at a maximum of $500,000 the amount of an individual executive's compensation that an insurer could deduct as a business expense. The cap applies to any executive, not just to CEOs.

Speaker of the House Paul Ryan (R-WI) signs legislation to repeal the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, and to cut off federal funding of Planned Parenthood during an enrollment ceremony in the Rayburn Room at the U.S. Capitol January 7, 2016 in Washington, DC.

Thomas Barthold, chief of staff for the Joint Committee on Taxation, revealed the $400 million lost tax revenue estimate during the first day of review of the Obamacare replacement bill by the House Ways and Means Committee.

Barthold said that would be the total amount lost through 2026 if the bill became law this year.

If the bill is passed, Barthold said health insurers would be able to deduct up to $1 million of an individual executive's salary on their taxes, just like other types of U.S. companies.

But Rep. Lloyd Doggett, D-Texas, noted that the $1 million deduction cap only is on salary. Executive compensation that includes "performance pay" can, and routinely does, significantly exceed the amount of the salary for a CEO of a health insurer.

Doggett pointed out that the pay of Aetna's CEO is more than $17 million, and Cigna's chief executive tops $13 million. Most, if not all of their pay, could be written off as business expenses if the Republican bill becomes law.

"It could be $100 million, and it would still be possible" to deduct the full CEO compensation?Doggett asked.

Barthold answered, "It would be possible."

Committee member Rep. Brian Higgins, R-N.Y., said, "I don't think this provision is unjustifiable, and I think it's morally reprehensible."

The CEO of UnitedHealth, Higgins pointed out, alone made $66 million last year.

"We're sitting here talking about giving big insurance companies a tax break on the exorbitant compensation to pay their executives?" Higgins said. "We should repeal this provision and replace it with an admonishment to the insurance companies to get your salaries in line with reality."

That provision, however, represents just a small fraction of the approximately $600 billion in revenue it is estimated the government would lose if the GOP Obamacare replacement plan was implemented. Much of those costs would come from the repeal of ACA-related taxes, which disproportionately affect wealthier Americans.

"So, essentially, what we have here to kick off ... is a beginning of a huge giveaway to the very, very wealthy, a huge giveaway, and the silence from the other side I would think indicates deep embarrassment, if possible," Levin said, referring to Republicans on the committee.

"Six hundred billion, with the vast majority going to wealthy families. That describes so vividly the mistake with this bill, and will emphasize those who are going to lose their benefits and their insurance coverage, millions and millions, while billions are going to the very few," Levin said. "That's really what this all about."

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3/8/2017  4:53 PM
Comey: 'There is no such thing as absolute privacy in America, there is no place outside judicial reach" Surprise the left aint squawking and CNN lists it as sub story .I have no problem with that statement and explanation that followed because that is the price we pay for security but wonder if his short speech is a precursor for someone explaIning why some knew of a certain surveillance for security reasons. If President knew and approved of tapping allies then why not adversaries in the name of security ? Always have the excuse of I did not order it. Good old crony Clapper denied "to the best of my knowledge", same clown who admitted perjuring himself on wiretapping to Congress in 2013 as he gave "the least untruthful answer I could have given" . Of course any surveillance of a candidate wouldn't have been politically driven , be only for security reasons so no worries there.

I really do hope that Congress fully investigates the entire Russian saga and concludes whether there was any real and serious infractions by Trump beyond using Russian dressing during the campaign or stocking Beluga gold line vodka.. Same goes for past administration as it relates to their spy games.

Let the serious questions be answered once and for all

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3/8/2017  4:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/8/2017  5:08 PM
meloanyk wrote:Comey: 'There is no such thing as absolute privacy in America, there is no place outside judicial reach" Surprise the left aint squawking and CNN lists it as sub story .I have no problem with that statement and explanation that followed because that is the price we pay for security but wonder if his short speech is a precursor for someone explaIning why some knew of a certain surveillance for security reasons. If President knew and approved of tapping allies then why not adversaries in the name of security ? Always have the excuse of I did not order it. Good old crony Clapper denied "to the best of my knowledge", same clown who admitted perjuring himself on wiretapping to Congress in 2013 as he gave "the least untruthful answer I could have given" . Of course any surveillance of a candidate wouldn't have been politically driven , be only for security reasons so no worries there.

I really do hope that Congress fully investigates the entire Russian saga and concludes whether there was any real and serious infractions by Trump beyond using Russian dressing during the campaign or stocking Beluga gold line vodka.. Same goes for past administration as it relates to their spy games.

Let the serious questions be answered once and for all

This is the second time you took a seemingly innocuous statement and try to tie to Trump being tapped...Where is the beef???..You really believe Trump could quietly sit on that info??..His surrogates/white house mouth pieces are now conspicuously quiet on the subject matter..They suddenly acquired discipline???

Why Congress, who cannot be trusted??...No doubt they would sell out to Russia and Trump for the sake of the Party...Independent Prosecutor please!!!, Nothing to hide right???

The Country is so divided that no one will believe anything outside of an Independent Prosecutor..Do the right thing for the Country..Release the Taxes!!!

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3/8/2017  5:20 PM
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meloanyk wrote:
Admin not even fully in place thanks to the pre planned obstruction but in six weeks they have already taken on the decades long issue of illegal immigration more so than all the politically correct babblers who let it fester.

What exactly has this administration done in regards to illegal immigration? What was its aim and how did it accomplish its goals?

Any response meloanyk?

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3/8/2017  7:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/8/2017  7:36 PM
^^^^And on that note...Trump is a P.I.M.P.

Trump International Hotel was just approved for licenses in China which includes escort services..The Company applied for these licenses last April...

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martin wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
Admin not even fully in place thanks to the pre planned obstruction but in six weeks they have already taken on the decades long issue of illegal immigration more so than all the politically correct babblers who let it fester.

What exactly has this administration done in regards to illegal immigration? What was its aim and how did it accomplish its goals?

Any response meloanyk?


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/09/illegal-border-crossings-decrease-by-40-percent-in-trumps-first-month-report-says.html?ref=yfp

Coincidence?

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3/9/2017  9:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/9/2017  9:21 AM
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martin wrote:
martin wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
Admin not even fully in place thanks to the pre planned obstruction but in six weeks they have already taken on the decades long issue of illegal immigration more so than all the politically correct babblers who let it fester.

What exactly has this administration done in regards to illegal immigration? What was its aim and how did it accomplish its goals?

Any response meloanyk?


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/09/illegal-border-crossings-decrease-by-40-percent-in-trumps-first-month-report-says.html?ref=yfp

Coincidence?

no. not a coincidence.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/13/politics/fact-check-immigration/

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Jesus, what the hell is wrong with these people:

http://www.salon.com/2017/03/09/mike-flynn-trumps-former-national-security-adviser-lobbied-for-turkey-during-campaign/

Gen. Mike Flynn, the former White House national security adviser who resigned last month for misleading government officials, registered as a foreign agent with the Justice Department on Tuesday for lobbying work he did on behalf of the Turkish government during the 2016 presidential campaign.

Flynn registered with the Justice Department’s Foreign Agent Registration Unit, claiming $530,000 worth of work from August through November that “could be construed to have principally benefited the Republic of Turkey.” It was filed by a lawyer on behalf of the former lieutenant general and intelligence chief.

Under the Foreign Agent Registration Act, U.S. citizens who lobby for a foreign government must disclose their work to the Justice Department. Willfully failing to register is a felony, although the Justice Department rarely pursues such cases. Lobbying firms routinely get back in compliance by retroactively registering and disclosing their work.

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martin wrote:America wanted changed and we need it, our nation is crumbling. Buttress this with the fact that a large majority of the members of our Congress and Senate are in it for themselves and are protected by Gerrymandering and so get elected over and over and over despite the fact that they continue to be overtly inept, corrupt, self-serving or just stupid. How does someone like Santorum get elected? Michele Bachmann? How does James Inhofe keep getting re-elected? How about Jeff Sessions?

So a majority of our voters latched onto the best con man out there, someone who indeed did promise a lot of change that seems to reverberate with the populous - "drain the swamp" - but that is not what this guy was capable or even intending to bring to the office of the presidency with him. He can't plan, does not have the work ethic or management capabilities to pull off anything, his previous style of business was bullying and intimation and failure after failure (we already know that his inheritance backed by an ungodly tax break is the backbone of his empire).

This is what we get when we are duped. The Republican party has duped America for a long time starting with Trickle Down Economics followed by unnecessary wars and buildup of military without similar expenditures on education, healthcare, infrastructure and investment in future.

I missed this one. Great post Martin. Sums it up perfectly.

The Republicans are great at messaging things that are bad for the average American. Things like "Right to Work"! It sounds so positive but then you dig down and realize they stripped all the worker rights by killing off Unions.

Corporate Profits have been at all time highs but you'd think they were struggling based on Republican talking points. They LOVE talking about Corporate Taxes being the highest in the world but never explain how many loopholes there are that make the Tax laws a joke.

The Republicans are better at selling lies than the Dems are at selling helpful policies!!! The Republicans are also MUCH dirtier fighters. They don't flinch at Voter Suppression or using Racist Fear Mongering to win votes.

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3/9/2017  6:19 PM
martin wrote:Jesus, what the hell is wrong with these people:

http://www.salon.com/2017/03/09/mike-flynn-trumps-former-national-security-adviser-lobbied-for-turkey-during-campaign/

Gen. Mike Flynn, the former White House national security adviser who resigned last month for misleading government officials, registered as a foreign agent with the Justice Department on Tuesday for lobbying work he did on behalf of the Turkish government during the 2016 presidential campaign.

Flynn registered with the Justice Department’s Foreign Agent Registration Unit, claiming $530,000 worth of work from August through November that “could be construed to have principally benefited the Republic of Turkey.” It was filed by a lawyer on behalf of the former lieutenant general and intelligence chief.

Under the Foreign Agent Registration Act, U.S. citizens who lobby for a foreign government must disclose their work to the Justice Department. Willfully failing to register is a felony, although the Justice Department rarely pursues such cases. Lobbying firms routinely get back in compliance by retroactively registering and disclosing their work.

These are the people who were supposed to "drain the swamp"..

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gr33d wrote:
martin wrote:
martin wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
Admin not even fully in place thanks to the pre planned obstruction but in six weeks they have already taken on the decades long issue of illegal immigration more so than all the politically correct babblers who let it fester.

What exactly has this administration done in regards to illegal immigration? What was its aim and how did it accomplish its goals?

Any response meloanyk?


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/09/illegal-border-crossings-decrease-by-40-percent-in-trumps-first-month-report-says.html?ref=yfp

Coincidence?

no. not a coincidence.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/13/politics/fact-check-immigration/

This story is 4 years old and cites data back from 2011. While the reported downward trend has to be considered positive, this does little to disprove Trumps impact.

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The graph posted here, is a clear indicator...

Look at the spike, where illegals (and most the country) assumed Hillary would win. They were flocking here, figuring it would be more of the same free ride. And the sharp decline, once Trump was elected.

What is this administrations impact you ask? I think you know the answer.

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