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10/14/2016  8:22 AM
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earthmansurfer wrote:Sorry Martin, but I just don't trust this government nor their courts. (Not to say I trust Russia and theirs either.) I'll put the burden of proof on the government who has a history of breaking the law. I do love my country though, just think the government has slowly been hijacked.

Again, you're just demonstrating the circular logic that is the foundation of conspiracy theories. You argue you put the burden of proof on government, but you wouldn't trust their proof. So why would you even make that statement?

That is just intellectual nihilism.

You don't trust anything, so therefore everything and anything you see in a Youtube video is credible.

You've acknowledged you've given up on seeking any objective grounding.

You're interested in questions. You're disinterested in answers.

If you were truly interested in finding truths, you'd do some research on the psychology of conspiracy theory, but I suspect you'd be uncomfortable recognizing things about yourself.

To answer your question - why I don't (generally) trust the government - because they have been caught lying:

I didn't ask.

IT seems, to you, that everything I've said is wrong and everything you've said is right. Cause you jump over any correctness I have and focus on what you disagree with.
Perhaps, you are as wrong, or even more wrong than me? Maybe you need to look into the things above I've mentioned?
I just think it is pretty damn impossible for me to be wrong with so much, when I see time and time again from you and other posters here, to take an extreme, winner take all approach to the arguments here.

You want to specifically cite what I've disagreed with you here?

Specifically. Not what you assume.

Name them.

Honestly, I've lost the chain of thought regarding our discussion. It has gone all over the place.
When I make a fair point or answer a question, you just jump to what is wrong with something I've said.
No sense in me going further.

We can agree to disagree and I just hope, no matter which criminal is next in office, that the damage is minimal.
All of us can agree on that.

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10/14/2016  8:39 AM
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Knickoftime wrote:
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earthmansurfer wrote:I am not familiar with cable news networks to be honest. Thanks for mentioning it though. I'm really on the periphery through this all. (Getting most of my news online but also through "TV" on youtube.)

You're genuinely claiming to be unaware of the known slant of Fox News and who Rupert Murdoch is?

Who you're describing is someone who sounds massively uninformed.

earthmansurfer wrote:For something so simple, why did Obama spend millions (I heard) defending where he was born?
I don't think he was really ever officially investigated for being a non US born citizen, was he?

Annnnd... then you confirm it.

He didn't.

And no, he was not. Because there was no credible evidence to warrant an official investigation.

You don't launch an investigation based on racist fantasies.

Where did I say I'm unaware of Fox News and their slant, nor Rupert Murdoch. I said cable news networks, last I lived in the States, I got FOX on TV. Regardless...

"I am not familiar with cable news networks to be honest."

There.

Fox News is a cable news network.


And excuse me for citing what was reported elsewhere. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/12/donald-trump/donald-trump-claims-obama-has-spent-2-million-lega/

The link you cited dismisses the claim $2m was spent on what you claim (you heard) it was spent on.

You don't seem to understand the conclusion of the very thing you're citing.

Do you not see the bigger point in this all? Can you look past the personal? There is NO winner here. If Trump by some miracle did win, I wouldn't celebrate it, I would just think there is less of a chance of war.

I have little interest in the rhetorical platitude of whether there is a winner in the result. At this point in time there is NEVER going to be a winner under any circumstances. The electorate is too apathetic, misinformed and self-interested in produce a win-win presidential administration.

The entire premise of your argument is irrelevant.

Now as to why you think Donald Trump is less inclined to use force to get his way and less inclined towards resolving disputes through open conflict is another manner.

Are you not paying attention to the obvious?

Knickoftime, you are restoring my faith in humanity and reason with your posts, thank you.

earthmansurfer: Trump is warring with his own highly-ranked party leaders including the Speaker of the House who is right after the VP in presidential succession, the Chairman of the Armed Services committee... disagreeing with Pence on major foreign policy points they haven't discussed yet. So how can you be even sure that Trump won't do this or do that... it seems clear he does what he wants to do, which isn't necessarily the wise thing to do. Saying you know that Hillary is worse is entirely speculation on his goals and temperament that everyday seems more erratic.

And earthman keeps talking about "wars" he fears Hillary will lead us into. I don't know why we don't put an asterisk after any "war" fought by the US since Korea. Then-Senator Clinton is blamed by Trump for getting us into Iraq but she wasn't alone. But she is guilty of abdicating her constitutional responsibility to the executive out of groupthink vengeance lubbed up with shoddy intel. Congress has the sole authority to declare war. They used to at least hide that fact by calling everything "Operation [Somebullsht]". I'm really tired of all the ignorance of my "fellow Americans"... I'm not perfect of course. My Canadian family can't understand what is going on here.

I see both candidates as weak. But neither you, nor the other pro Hillary people, don'T really seem to mention much negativity about Hillary, citing her experience. Just doesn't feel right as she is very flawed, not to mention serious health questions.

Look, you name call and talk derogatorily, too often. It isn't interesting for me to defend my opinion (much)against that.

I don't trust Hillary, like I don't trust Bill. Their history is clear. This is not to say that I think Trump won't be a problem. But that is an IF, with Hillary and
Bill, we already know. And again, I have more worries with corrupt politicians over corrupt businessman. And I don't think Hillary serves people, she is in "the club".
If you want to know more about it, just look into the man Bill Clinton praised: "In 1991, Clinton named Quigley as an important influence on his aspirations and political philosophy, when Clinton launched his presidential campaign in a speech at Georgetown.[2]:96 He mentioned Quigley again during his acceptance speech to the 1992 Democratic National Convention" WIKI
Free Summary version of CQ's incredible work and huge historical work, where he describes just who Bill/Hillary and the rest of the club, do who what they do (and names names). http://www.joeplummer.com/tragedy-and-hope-101 There it is, laid out by Bill Clintons mentor. (well, that is the summary, the original book is quite a work to get through.)

Agreed about declaring war, getting old, but standard practice...

Don't find solace in other like minded individuals.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." K

I looked up the Joseph Plummer link you posted and skimmed, and looked up Quigley. Not sure what you are trying to point out: The Clintons are a part of a semi-secret multinational club of oligarchs? Sure, I can imagine that. But imagination is not evidence. I will not have the time or desire to go through that link or the book itself.

I'm all for using a variety of sources to get a fuller picture, but I've been down that conspiracy theory road back when it was self-published books, before websites were popular. Easy to get lost in the weeds, and usually ends up with some version of the Illuminati. Despite whatever shreds of the truth remain, I dismiss any InfoWars video without reservation. Alex Jones is a loon.

I do apologize for name calling. I should just leave counterarguments to posters like Knickoftime who can respond more calmly. Perhaps I've just had enough.

First, nice post.

Bill Clintons mentor, the guy Clinton has the most respect in the world for, laid it out in the (original) book. But it is a scholarly work, slow getting through.
The 101 version is just a condensed version and focussing on the more difficult to swallow policies. (namely killing)
I never finished it, read enough that I sort of get it. Not saying it is right, but I see enough to see a broken system, whatever the reason.

I don't like how Alex Jones communicates, it is fear based. His message is lost due to that, whether it is true or false. Lot's of people, from the loons to Carroll Quigley, are essentially talking about the same general thing, if not the same people. Some just have a real real poor way of communicating what they perceive as truth.

We are between a rock and a hard place. I don't have anything personal with anyone here (really!), even though there is so emotion being thrown around (and I don't hold anything you or anyone said against them, really). If we are really looking out for what is best for all of us, how can I? We just have our opinions. What I'd like to say is, let's just do our part to remove a system that is so far gone corrupt, that I don't see it changing.

This topic is just too in depth and the system too broken, for a concise counterargument to really be possible. The corruption is just too deep imo.
It has resulted in more division. A great philosopher once said "We are being led by the least among us." and I see that is just too true.

I think we have all had enough. We see a ship sinking and none of us want it to. Maybe we can just rebuild her at sea but I think a new ship is needed, before the old one pollutes the sea's.

A little humbling no matter who you "like", an "in a nutshell" picture of where we find ourselves.

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10/14/2016  8:48 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/14/2016  8:49 AM
gunsnewing wrote:If Fox News is so horrible then why are Hillary, Obama so afraid to go on there and defend themselves?
Really? Look at your own question. They don't go on because Fox News is horrible. A better question is if Fox News is so horrible why does Trump ONLY go on Fox News these days?
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10/14/2016  8:53 AM
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Welpee wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:-12 women accusing Trump so far...

For fairness:

Women have been charging Bill Clinton with sexual assault since his days as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford 30 years ago.

A continuing investigation into the President's questionable sexual history reveal incidents that go back as far as Clinton's college days, with more than a dozen women claiming his sexual appetites leave little room for the word ''no.''

Juanita Broaddrick, an Arkansas nursing home operator, told NBC's Lisa Myers five weeks ago she was raped by Clinton. NBC shelved the interview, saying they were confirming all parts of the story, but finally aired it Wednesday night.

Broaddrick finally took her story to The Wall Street Journal, which published her account of the brutal rape at the hands of the future President, followed by The Washington Post and some other publications.

But Capitol Hill Blue has confirmed that Broaddrick's story is only one account of many attempted and actual sexual assaults by Clinton that go back 30 years. Among the other incidents:

Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford where the future President was a student in 1969. A retired State Department employee, who asked not to be identified, confirmed that he spoke with the family of the girl and filed a report with his superiors. Clinton admitted having sex with the girl, but claimed it was consensual. The victim's family declined to pursue the case;
In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the incident. The woman, tracked down by Capitol Hill Blue last week, confirmed the incident, but declined to discuss it further and would not give permission to use her name;
In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. She complained to her faculty advisor who confronted Clinton, but Clinton claimed the student ''came on'' to him. The student left the school shortly after the incident. Reached at her home in Texas, the former student confirmed the incident, but declined to go on the record with her account. Several former students at the University have confirmed the incident in confidential interviews and said there were other reports of Clinton attempting to force himself on female students;
Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton's gubernatorial campaign, said he raped her in 1978. Mrs. Broaddrick suffered a bruised and torn lip, which she said she suffered when Clinton bit her during the rape;
From 1978-1980, during Clinton's first term as governor of Arkansas, state troopers assigned to protect the governor were aware of at least seven complaints from women who said Clinton forced, or attempted to force, himself on them sexually. One retired state trooper said in an interview that the common joke among those assigned to protect Clinton was "who's next?". One former state trooper said other troopers would often escort women to the governor's hotel room after political events, often more than one an evening;
Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel room. "I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn't even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room."
Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.
Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.
Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation's capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton's hands when he was in Washington during his Presidential run.
Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton's leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young flight attendant's legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going public about the assault.
Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.

Bill Clinton isn't running for President..

Yeah, he was president. lol
And now he will be back in the White House again. What is he gonna do with all that time?

For the millionth time - what does this have to do with Hillary's fitness to be president? This reminds me of Obama being blamed for the words of Rev. Wright and the deeds of Bill Ayers 40 years ago. This republican strategy of guilt by association will not work. Trump's action isn't offset by the actions of his opponent's husband. And Trump should be happy nobody is bringing up the ACTIVE child rape case he's defending himself against as we speak.

Do you really need this explained to you?
Hillary must be a good judge of character marrying a rapist, eh?
Like attracts like, there is a reason these two criminals have stayed together all these years.

So marrying a bad person (Bill Clinton) reveals character more than BEING a bad person (Trump)? Whoa, you really want to go with that logic? And how many rape allegations have been associated with Trump? And which candidate is CURRENTLY in court for a child rape case?
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10/14/2016  8:58 AM
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Knickoftime wrote:Man, the media is starting to go medieval on Trump's ass.

just starting? They've been at him 1 day after republican nomination.

The most damaging blows have been playing Trumps own words back to him.

Hillary Clinton's run for President has been the most corrupt process in the history of politics. She's a criminal who does not deserve to be President.

Of the two nominees, Donald Trump is the only one of them that has admitted to committing an unlawful act.

So there's that.

More relevant to this exchange, however, was how wrong you were to bet on the Trump horse.

It wasn't enough to prefer Trump, it was your prediction he'd win. That you like so many other were so unable to anticipate what was going to occur.

Even if you play the same 'liberal media' victim card like that right has been doing for decades, you like Trump clearly misjudged how impotent he'd be about altering or overcoming the dynamic.

I believe Trump may also be the only candidate who has been proven guilty of wrongful acts in court. How many fines has he had to pay in court cases for sleazy business practices?
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10/14/2016  9:23 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/14/2016  9:39 AM
Welpee wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:If Fox News is so horrible then why are Hillary, Obama so afraid to go on there and defend themselves?
Really? Look at your own question. They don't go on because Fox News is horrible. A better question is if Fox News is so horrible why does Trump ONLY go on Fox News these days?

Yeah, I thought the same thing, though Holfresh posted interviews of them on Fox News anyway.

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10/14/2016  10:03 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Hillary Clinton again gets away with 30 years of enabling sexual assault corruption criminal acts toxic dishonesty and the American media facilitated the whole process. What a disaster for women especially to have this woman as the first female President. You get what you pay for

So this is victom blaming or am I getting this wrong.

BRIGGS, how did Hilary enable this? What, according to you, are the proper steps of a victim?

Also, are all of the women who were assaulted by Bill Cosby enablers? Is this how you characterize them as well?

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10/14/2016  10:34 AM
Welpee wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
Welpee wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:-12 women accusing Trump so far...

For fairness:

Women have been charging Bill Clinton with sexual assault since his days as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford 30 years ago.

A continuing investigation into the President's questionable sexual history reveal incidents that go back as far as Clinton's college days, with more than a dozen women claiming his sexual appetites leave little room for the word ''no.''

Juanita Broaddrick, an Arkansas nursing home operator, told NBC's Lisa Myers five weeks ago she was raped by Clinton. NBC shelved the interview, saying they were confirming all parts of the story, but finally aired it Wednesday night.

Broaddrick finally took her story to The Wall Street Journal, which published her account of the brutal rape at the hands of the future President, followed by The Washington Post and some other publications.

But Capitol Hill Blue has confirmed that Broaddrick's story is only one account of many attempted and actual sexual assaults by Clinton that go back 30 years. Among the other incidents:

Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford where the future President was a student in 1969. A retired State Department employee, who asked not to be identified, confirmed that he spoke with the family of the girl and filed a report with his superiors. Clinton admitted having sex with the girl, but claimed it was consensual. The victim's family declined to pursue the case;
In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the incident. The woman, tracked down by Capitol Hill Blue last week, confirmed the incident, but declined to discuss it further and would not give permission to use her name;
In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. She complained to her faculty advisor who confronted Clinton, but Clinton claimed the student ''came on'' to him. The student left the school shortly after the incident. Reached at her home in Texas, the former student confirmed the incident, but declined to go on the record with her account. Several former students at the University have confirmed the incident in confidential interviews and said there were other reports of Clinton attempting to force himself on female students;
Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton's gubernatorial campaign, said he raped her in 1978. Mrs. Broaddrick suffered a bruised and torn lip, which she said she suffered when Clinton bit her during the rape;
From 1978-1980, during Clinton's first term as governor of Arkansas, state troopers assigned to protect the governor were aware of at least seven complaints from women who said Clinton forced, or attempted to force, himself on them sexually. One retired state trooper said in an interview that the common joke among those assigned to protect Clinton was "who's next?". One former state trooper said other troopers would often escort women to the governor's hotel room after political events, often more than one an evening;
Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel room. "I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn't even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room."
Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.
Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.
Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation's capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton's hands when he was in Washington during his Presidential run.
Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton's leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young flight attendant's legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going public about the assault.
Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.

Bill Clinton isn't running for President..

Yeah, he was president. lol
And now he will be back in the White House again. What is he gonna do with all that time?

For the millionth time - what does this have to do with Hillary's fitness to be president? This reminds me of Obama being blamed for the words of Rev. Wright and the deeds of Bill Ayers 40 years ago. This republican strategy of guilt by association will not work. Trump's action isn't offset by the actions of his opponent's husband. And Trump should be happy nobody is bringing up the ACTIVE child rape case he's defending himself against as we speak.

Do you really need this explained to you?
Hillary must be a good judge of character marrying a rapist, eh?
Like attracts like, there is a reason these two criminals have stayed together all these years.

So marrying a bad person (Bill Clinton) reveals character more than BEING a bad person (Trump)? Whoa, you really want to go with that logic? And how many rape allegations have been associated with Trump? And which candidate is CURRENTLY in court for a child rape case?

No, marrying a bad person shows a persons character, doesn't mean they are bad.
Breaking the law over a period of years shows Hillary is a bad person.

They are both bad people, I'm not pro Trump. I just think he is less corrupt. Anyway, I don't feel like Pepsi or Coke...

Remember, Al Capone is just a tax evader...

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10/14/2016  10:34 AM
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BRIGGS wrote:Hillary Clinton again gets away with 30 years of enabling sexual assault corruption criminal acts toxic dishonesty and the American media facilitated the whole process. What a disaster for women especially to have this woman as the first female President. You get what you pay for

So this is victom blaming or am I getting this wrong.

BRIGGS, how did Hilary enable this? What, according to you, are the proper steps of a victim?

Also, are all of the women who were assaulted by Bill Cosby enablers? Is this how you characterize them as well?

Hillary is a victim of what? Having no dignity pride or possibly much much worse? Her husband has been named by multiple women going back 30+ years
and these women all have said that MRS Clinton has contacted them in variable ways after the deeds. Not only did she not walk away--she stayed and enabled. She enabled Bill Clinton to do what he has done. She's no victim and to think so is insane.

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10/14/2016  10:36 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Hillary Clinton again gets away with 30 years of enabling sexual assault corruption criminal acts toxic dishonesty and the American media facilitated the whole process. What a disaster for women especially to have this woman as the first female President. You get what you pay for

So this is victom blaming or am I getting this wrong.

BRIGGS, how did Hilary enable this? What, according to you, are the proper steps of a victim?

Also, are all of the women who were assaulted by Bill Cosby enablers? Is this how you characterize them as well?

Hillary is a victim of what? Having no dignity pride or possibly much much worse? Her husband has been named by multiple women going back 30+ years
and these women all have said that MRS Clinton has contacted them in variable ways after the deeds. Not only did she not walk away--she stayed and enabled. She enabled Bill Clinton to do what he has done. She's no victim and to think so is insane.

That's the talking point on FOX. Show me.

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10/14/2016  10:50 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Hillary Clinton again gets away with 30 years of enabling sexual assault corruption criminal acts toxic dishonesty and the American media facilitated the whole process. What a disaster for women especially to have this woman as the first female President. You get what you pay for

So this is victom blaming or am I getting this wrong.

BRIGGS, how did Hilary enable this? What, according to you, are the proper steps of a victim?

Also, are all of the women who were assaulted by Bill Cosby enablers? Is this how you characterize them as well?

Hillary is a victim of what? Having no dignity pride or possibly much much worse? Her husband has been named by multiple women going back 30+ years
and these women all have said that MRS Clinton has contacted them in variable ways after the deeds. Not only did she not walk away--she stayed and enabled. She enabled Bill Clinton to do what he has done. She's no victim and to think so is insane.

And yet you are sticking with Trump despite him sexually assaulting women. In fact you're giving him more power, and are making excuses for him, so I guess that you're an enabler too

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10/14/2016  11:07 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Hillary Clinton again gets away with 30 years of enabling sexual assault corruption criminal acts toxic dishonesty and the American media facilitated the whole process. What a disaster for women especially to have this woman as the first female President. You get what you pay for

None of this changes how wrong your prediction was, Briggs.

You're not quite as good at pivoting as Kellyanne Conway.

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10/14/2016  11:08 AM
gunsnewing wrote:If Fox News is so horrible then why are Hillary, Obama so afraid to go on there and defend themselves?

Probably the same reason why Trump doesn't go on MSNBC.

Why ask questions you already know the answer to?

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10/14/2016  11:12 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:Honestly, I've lost the chain of thought regarding our discussion. It has gone all over the place.
When I make a fair point or answer a question, you just jump to what is wrong with something I've said.

Perhaps it's because I dispute your point are fair, and instead of just carpet bombing the thread with unsubstantiated declarations of my personal opinion, I'm explaining why your points aren't fair.

I'm not surprised it hard to keep track, because there is no objective grounding to your "points"... all they are is again, intellectual nihilism. All you seem to believe are conspiracy-driven Youtube videos.

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10/14/2016  11:18 AM
smackeddog wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Hillary Clinton again gets away with 30 years of enabling sexual assault corruption criminal acts toxic dishonesty and the American media facilitated the whole process. What a disaster for women especially to have this woman as the first female President. You get what you pay for

So this is victom blaming or am I getting this wrong.

BRIGGS, how did Hilary enable this? What, according to you, are the proper steps of a victim?

Also, are all of the women who were assaulted by Bill Cosby enablers? Is this how you characterize them as well?

Hillary is a victim of what? Having no dignity pride or possibly much much worse? Her husband has been named by multiple women going back 30+ years
and these women all have said that MRS Clinton has contacted them in variable ways after the deeds. Not only did she not walk away--she stayed and enabled. She enabled Bill Clinton to do what he has done. She's no victim and to think so is insane.

And yet you are sticking with Trump despite him sexually assaulting women. In fact you're giving him more power, and are making excuses for him, so I guess that you're an enabler too


Donald Trump has some scum bag qualities--but I already knew that. Im not asking him to date my daughter.

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10/14/2016  11:25 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Hillary Clinton again gets away with 30 years of enabling sexual assault corruption criminal acts toxic dishonesty and the American media facilitated the whole process. What a disaster for women especially to have this woman as the first female President. You get what you pay for

So this is victom blaming or am I getting this wrong.

BRIGGS, how did Hilary enable this? What, according to you, are the proper steps of a victim?

Also, are all of the women who were assaulted by Bill Cosby enablers? Is this how you characterize them as well?

Hillary is a victim of what? Having no dignity pride or possibly much much worse? Her husband has been named by multiple women going back 30+ years
and these women all have said that MRS Clinton has contacted them in variable ways after the deeds. Not only did she not walk away--she stayed and enabled. She enabled Bill Clinton to do what he has done. She's no victim and to think so is insane.

And yet you are sticking with Trump despite him sexually assaulting women. In fact you're giving him more power, and are making excuses for him, so I guess that you're an enabler too


Donald Trump has some scum bag qualities--but I already knew that. Im not asking him to date my daughter.

No worries.. he wouldn't date her anyway. Just grab some ***** and move on.
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10/14/2016  11:31 AM
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10/14/2016  11:31 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:I don't like how Alex Jones communicates, it is fear based.

So you like how he thinks then?

You find his belief that he has high level aides close to Obama and Clinton telling him they smell like sulfur and therefore they are demons credible?

You endorse his state of mind, but just think communication is his issue?

We are between a rock and a hard place. I don't have anything personal with anyone here (really!), even though there is so emotion being thrown around (and I don't hold anything you or anyone said against them, really). If we are really looking out for what is best for all of us, how can I? We just have our opinions. What I'd like to say is, let's just do our part to remove a system that is so far gone corrupt, that I don't see it changing.

This topic is just too in depth and the system too broken, for a concise counterargument to really be possible. The corruption is just too deep imo.
It has resulted in more division. A great philosopher once said "We are being led by the least among us." and I see that is just too true.

I think we have all had enough. We see a ship sinking and none of us want it to. Maybe we can just rebuild her at sea but I think a new ship is needed, before the old one pollutes the sea's.

Now I'll tell you why your POV isn't just poorly conceived, it's dangerous. YOU'RE the real danger, and I'm not embellishing for effect. And this too isn't personal. You're merely the community representation of this minset.

What you are promoting is actually apathy is the superficial guise of concern.

'Everything is broken, the system is entirely corrupt, we're all puppets on strings.' You're writing yourself a blank check to do NOTHING but complain about your plight and undermine anyone else's confidence that one can in fact affect one's own fate and positively impact the fate of others.

You're do-nothings. Don't bother voting, don't make a choice, don't bother running for office, not advocate for causes you believe in, because what's the point, it's all pointless versus some global conspiratorial agenda.

No one is arguing the system is very flawed and no one is arguing we have allowed to worst of us to rise to influential positions, but your type of apathy and disregard for facts and logic is in fact part of the CAUSE of this.

Instead of burying yourself in Youtube videos about the real, secret, hidden reason why everything and anything bad happens, participate. Be part of the solution, not just aping conspiracy theories that excuse and justify inaction.

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10/14/2016  11:33 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Hillary Clinton again gets away with 30 years of enabling sexual assault corruption criminal acts toxic dishonesty and the American media facilitated the whole process. What a disaster for women especially to have this woman as the first female President. You get what you pay for

So this is victom blaming or am I getting this wrong.

BRIGGS, how did Hilary enable this? What, according to you, are the proper steps of a victim?

Also, are all of the women who were assaulted by Bill Cosby enablers? Is this how you characterize them as well?

Hillary is a victim of what? Having no dignity pride or possibly much much worse? Her husband has been named by multiple women going back 30+ years
and these women all have said that MRS Clinton has contacted them in variable ways after the deeds. Not only did she not walk away--she stayed and enabled. She enabled Bill Clinton to do what he has done. She's no victim and to think so is insane.

She kept her family together!!! That is awful? Im sure you'd question her motivation. Fair enough.

Briggs, If you don't care about Trump cheating on his three marriages, that's ok. You can admire Trump for defending himself and protecting himself, but if Hillary does it its not cool?
IM sure your barraged by anti Hillary stuff all day but lost in all of it is the core question:

Does he have substance to be the President? In my mind I can find fault with Hillary and I wish there was a better choice, but there isn't.
She is uniquely qualified thought compared to Trump.

30 years and she has done what?
Taught law, practiced law, Laughed at the prosecutor for his mishandling of evidence, not at the rape!, was first lady of Arkansas, First lady of the USA, 8 years US senator and secretary of state to a president she lost a primary to. At 30 years of transparacy and you have:

Enabled her husband
Bengazi (read a fair assessment and think for yourself, not the dumbed down Fox version). We were not suppose to have troops there. Not the first time we ever lost an embassy. Look that up.
Did what all ex US presidents done and created a mega foundation. BTW, look at the foundation and what it does.
Did what Secretary Powell and Secretary Rice did by using a private server. Nobody said they should go to jail.
Did what President Bush did by erasing tens of thousands of E-mails. Nobody said W. should go to jail.

That's it. The rest is subjective banter created to deflect and distract.

If Bill Clinton raped anyone, he should be punished. If Hillary did anything illegal, she should be in punished. For years republicans have gone after then viciously and with tax money.
Problem is many republicans who did so were found to be wanting in morality themselves!!!

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10/14/2016  11:33 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Hillary Clinton again gets away with 30 years of enabling sexual assault corruption criminal acts toxic dishonesty and the American media facilitated the whole process. What a disaster for women especially to have this woman as the first female President. You get what you pay for

So this is victom blaming or am I getting this wrong.

BRIGGS, how did Hilary enable this? What, according to you, are the proper steps of a victim?

Also, are all of the women who were assaulted by Bill Cosby enablers? Is this how you characterize them as well?

Hillary is a victim of what? Having no dignity pride or possibly much much worse? Her husband has been named by multiple women going back 30+ years
and these women all have said that MRS Clinton has contacted them in variable ways after the deeds. Not only did she not walk away--she stayed and enabled. She enabled Bill Clinton to do what he has done. She's no victim and to think so is insane.

And yet you are sticking with Trump despite him sexually assaulting women. In fact you're giving him more power, and are making excuses for him, so I guess that you're an enabler too


Donald Trump has some scum bag qualities--but I already knew that. Im not asking him to date my daughter.

Donald Trump admitted he doesn't need to date her. He can grab your daughter's PUSSY if and any time he feels like it and she or you won't do anything about it, because he's Donald Trump and you and your daughter are not.

Where the heck is Hillary Clinton?

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