Alpha1971 wrote:

WP76 wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Not if it is true, and it was a factor, but the bench discrepancies lost this game. The Knicks have earned the same calls at MSG and they don't get them. JB gets bumped multiple times on some possessions, but no foul. SGA initiates minimal contact if any, fouls are called. But the Knicks bench or lack thereof, lost this game and Mitch isn't going to change that if he ever comes back.

WP76 wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Apparently, they earned the home-court calls the Knicks haven't. Total BS that a team with 13 str8 wins needs favorable calls. Disgusting.

Alpha1971 wrote:How can OKC get away with all these fouls ?

Blaming the refs is weak. They made the clutch shots; we didn't.

The refs were a factor.

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I'd say Wiggins kicking our butts down the stretch was a much bigger factor plus three consecutive turnovers when the game was in the balance was pretty important, too. Refs or no refs, this game was there for us to win.

Ok, not going to argue. I said it was a factor, among others. On to the next game. Wish we would use our bench more. Our guys will be gassed tomorrow. We need to trust the depth and preserve our players

We agree. What was ironic was the OKC announcers (who are "mid" at best) couldn't stop chirping about (1) how many uncalled fouls we were committing (2) how many uncalled travels Brunson had and (3) how the Knicks expect a foul to be called on every play when we're on offense. I also thought the refereeing strongly favored OKC but when you play like crap with the game on the line and let some scrub light you up, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Peace.

WP76 wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

WP76 wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Not if it is true, and it was a factor, but the bench discrepancies lost this game. The Knicks have earned the same calls at MSG and they don't get them. JB gets bumped multiple times on some possessions, but no foul. SGA initiates minimal contact if any, fouls are called. But the Knicks bench or lack thereof, lost this game and Mitch isn't going to change that if he ever comes back.

WP76 wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Apparently, they earned the home-court calls the Knicks haven't. Total BS that a team with 13 str8 wins needs favorable calls. Disgusting.

Alpha1971 wrote:How can OKC get away with all these fouls ?

Blaming the refs is weak. They made the clutch shots; we didn't.

The refs were a factor.

.

I'd say Wiggins kicking our butts down the stretch was a much bigger factor plus three consecutive turnovers when the game was in the balance was pretty important, too. Refs or no refs, this game was there for us to win.

Ok, not going to argue. I said it was a factor, among others. On to the next game. Wish we would use our bench more. Our guys will be gassed tomorrow. We need to trust the depth and preserve our players

We agree. What was ironic was the OKC announcers (who are "mid" at best) couldn't stop chirping about (1) how many uncalled fouls we were committing (2) how many uncalled travels Brunson had and (3) how the Knicks expect a foul to be called on every play when we're on offense. I also thought the refereeing strongly favored OKC but when you play like crap with the game on the line and let some scrub light you up, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Peace.

Knicksfan wrote:

Clean wrote:If we used our bench enough for them to get a rhythm and they still consistantly were bad I would have no problem saying our bench is bad. However, I do have a problem with people saying our bench is bad when the bench barely plays. We have no idea what they are.

Same. It’s fair. And still, you have to run them out. They did the same with the starters which the early struggles. I just don’t understand how that process was applied only to the starting lineup like it’s so freaking impossible to work both at the same time?

I’m not saying I hate Thibs or anything close, but I’m really tired of the same issues with the bench. No matter who it is, it’s still the same abuse of the starting lineup. It’s shortsighted. The best teams will keep beating us because we are a freaking five-guys-band.

I’m pissed…

We could be up 20 with 4 minutes to play and he still can't trust the bench to pull it out.

Knicksfan wrote:

Clean wrote:If we used our bench enough for them to get a rhythm and they still consistantly were bad I would have no problem saying our bench is bad. However, I do have a problem with people saying our bench is bad when the bench barely plays. We have no idea what they are.

Same. It’s fair. And still, you have to run them out. They did the same with the starters which the early struggles. I just don’t understand how that process was applied only to the starting lineup like it’s so freaking impossible to work both at the same time?

I’m not saying I hate Thibs or anything close, but I’m really tired of the same issues with the bench. No matter who it is, it’s still the same abuse of the starting lineup. It’s shortsighted. The best teams will keep beating us because we are a freaking five-guys-band.

I’m pissed…

It took 2 1/2 yrs for Duece to get in Thibs circle of trust….Obi never made it..

This can’t continue…we can make it to the playoffs on one leg

VDesai wrote:Brunson was out when we started the quarter and we went around 4 mins with only 1 made shot

Teams can trap and hack Brunson without fouls. So we get to 6 on the shot clock 30 feet outside the basket.

We needed to have Josh or someone else initiate the offense. They took us out of our game.

Another ACTUAL GUARD - I agree with your last line about initiating offense.

Swishfm3 wrote:This game is all on Thibs,

OKC ran the same play 6 TIMES with zero adjustments and KAT was completely ignored while mainly guarded by Williams.

I don't know about that - we have 5 very veteran players on the court. They were the ones losing guys on D and it was Jalen ignoring Kat entire 4th quarter. We are best when he is distribution 1st and score 2nd.

WP76 wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Not if it is true, and it was a factor, but the bench discrepancies lost this game. The Knicks have earned the same calls at MSG and they don't get them. JB gets bumped multiple times on some possessions, but no foul. SGA initiates minimal contact if any, fouls are called. But the Knicks bench or lack thereof, lost this game and Mitch isn't going to change that if he ever comes back.

WP76 wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Apparently, they earned the home-court calls the Knicks haven't. Total BS that a team with 13 str8 wins needs favorable calls. Disgusting.

Alpha1971 wrote:How can OKC get away with all these fouls ?

Blaming the refs is weak. They made the clutch shots; we didn't.

The refs were a factor.

.

I'd say Wiggins kicking our butts down the stretch was a much bigger factor plus three consecutive turnovers when the game was in the balance was pretty important, too. Refs or no refs, this game was there for us to win.

Knew it was going to be one of their scrubs that would go for career night.

I actually like Wiggins but by no means for his offense.

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:Brunson was out when we started the quarter and we went around 4 mins with only 1 made shot

Teams can trap and hack Brunson without fouls. So we get to 6 on the shot clock 30 feet outside the basket.

We needed to have Josh or someone else initiate the offense. They took us out of our game.

Yep. And they gotta figure out how to get KAT more involved. Only 13 shots, the least of the starters along with OG

That disgusted me -- was yapping GET KAT THE BALL.

It makes no freaking sense!! And for it not to turn at any point, especially in the 4th. I mean, WTH are adjustments for Thibs? He has to see this happen and act accordingly.

Knicksfan wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:Brunson was out when we started the quarter and we went around 4 mins with only 1 made shot

Teams can trap and hack Brunson without fouls. So we get to 6 on the shot clock 30 feet outside the basket.

We needed to have Josh or someone else initiate the offense. They took us out of our game.

Yep. And they gotta figure out how to get KAT more involved. Only 13 shots, the least of the starters along with OG

That disgusted me -- was yapping GET KAT THE BALL.

It makes no freaking sense!! And for it not to turn at any point, especially in the 4th. I mean, WTH are adjustments for Thibs? He has to see this happen and act accordingly.

Jalen is the coach on the floor -- can't give Thibs all the blame and ignore Jalen throwing the ball all over the court and wasting 18 seconds to get into any kind of offense.

I do agree - Thibs isn't Mr In Game adjustment but he was the same coach when we were up 12 and 8 after the 2nd and 3rd.
NBA is a players league -- guys making $20M, $30M, $40M, $50M to make decisions on the court.

Knicksfan wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

WP76 wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Not if it is true, and it was a factor, but the bench discrepancies lost this game. The Knicks have earned the same calls at MSG and they don't get them. JB gets bumped multiple times on some possessions, but no foul. SGA initiates minimal contact if any, fouls are called. But the Knicks bench or lack thereof, lost this game and Mitch isn't going to change that if he ever comes back.

WP76 wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Apparently, they earned the home-court calls the Knicks haven't. Total BS that a team with 13 str8 wins needs favorable calls. Disgusting.

Alpha1971 wrote:How can OKC get away with all these fouls ?

Blaming the refs is weak. They made the clutch shots; we didn't.

The refs were a factor.

.

I'd say Wiggins kicking our butts down the stretch was a much bigger factor plus three consecutive turnovers when the game was in the balance was pretty important, too. Refs or no refs, this game was there for us to win.

Knew it was going to be one of their scrubs that would go for career night.

I actually like Wiggins but by no means for his offense.

A magic trick called playing your bench. It’s something unseen around here, unfortunately.

You would have taken Jalen.Josh.Mikal.OG or Towns out in the 4th for Cam/Shamet/Precious?

I don't understand your argument. Wiggins was playing because rest of OKC was choking - our front line wasn't choking - they weren't getting the ball.

But good to know we are the clear better team..just absolute horse **** home team calls to keep them in the game … honestly if we are home we win by 20