martin wrote:RJ gonna have to watch this play in film session over and over and over again, you can almost hear Thibs swearing about it from here.

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Wow! RJ Barrett annd Randle outside defense and foot movement STUNK on defense in the vid.
Also McBride being in the paint area not set up to force an offensive foul having more than enough time.
Please someone need to question Tom Thibs defense ???

Kemet wrote:

martin wrote:RJ gonna have to watch this play in film session over and over and over again, you can almost hear Thibs swearing about it from here.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/tom_piccolo/status/1620611418277154816

Wow! RJ Barrett annd Randle outside defense and foot movement STUNK on defense in the vid.
Also McBride being in the paint area not set up to force an offensive foul having more than enough time.
Please someone need to question Tom Thibs defense ???

The defense wasn't the best, but exactly what is Thibs supposed to do? Run out there and position his players? That is ALL on the players.

Sometimes, you're trying too hard.

Maybe the magic of Thibs is if guys are 200% dialed in, we’re a winning team, but anything less than 200%, we just suck. And it’s impossible to give 200% focus for an entire season.

CleaverGreene wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:and IQ must start. The experiment with grimes is done. IQ is just as good a defender than grimes and he can score. First quarters we always seem to be dowm 6,8,10 points because grimes cant shoot. We dont have a sg starting.

And then who is the PG off the bench?

Grimes starts in part to guard best PG/SG on court and learn from that. Same thing they did last year with RJ

The issue isn’t Quick or Grimes (who is struggling from 3) — the problem IMO is RJ.

He is a brutal defender..brutal and he has one of the more selfish (blinders on) offensive games in the league. He moves like a slug on both ends —- seems like a good kid but man he can’t and/or doesn’t defend.

He apparently refused to speak with the media tonight after rightly being benched in Q4 - again IMO.

You looking in the mirror on this one 😏

I love over rooting for home drafted players and I struggle mightily with RJ since last year.

Drafted players are a fan's sports "children."

I'd swear he was a better defender before this year. Pretty sure I mentioned this earlier in the season, but I think RJ is too heavy. I'd go for the lean body and quickness...I'm saying get rid of 15 lbs, at least.

Agree, RJ has put on too much muscle. If he is going this route then trade Randle and make RJ a full time PF

franco12 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:and IQ must start. The experiment with grimes is done. IQ is just as good a defender than grimes and he can score. First quarters we always seem to be dowm 6,8,10 points because grimes cant shoot. We dont have a sg starting.

And then who is the PG off the bench?

Grimes starts in part to guard best PG/SG on court and learn from that. Same thing they did last year with RJ

The issue isn’t Quick or Grimes (who is struggling from 3) — the problem IMO is RJ.

He is a brutal defender..brutal and he has one of the more selfish (blinders on) offensive games in the league. He moves like a slug on both ends —- seems like a good kid but man he can’t and/or doesn’t defend.

He apparently refused to speak with the media tonight after rightly being benched in Q4 - again IMO.

You looking in the mirror on this one 😏

I love over rooting for home drafted players and I struggle mightily with RJ since last year.

Drafted players are a fan's sports "children."

I'd swear he was a better defender before this year. Pretty sure I mentioned this earlier in the season, but I think RJ is too heavy. I'd go for the lean body and quickness...I'm saying get rid of 15 lbs, at least.

Agree, RJ has put on too much muscle. If he is going this route then trade Randle and make RJ a full time PF

How about we make Randle the Center, RJ the four and start JB, Grimes and IQ?

Small Ball=Kryptonite to Thibs.

I like rim protecting Cs too much. You saw it last night or for most of this losing part of the season that Mitch has been out with injury teams are driving into the paint doing what they want to us. How many times last night did they do that same play drive to the basket then backdoor to the other laker running up

Philc1 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:and IQ must start. The experiment with grimes is done. IQ is just as good a defender than grimes and he can score. First quarters we always seem to be dowm 6,8,10 points because grimes cant shoot. We dont have a sg starting.

And then who is the PG off the bench?

Grimes starts in part to guard best PG/SG on court and learn from that. Same thing they did last year with RJ

The issue isn’t Quick or Grimes (who is struggling from 3) — the problem IMO is RJ.

He is a brutal defender..brutal and he has one of the more selfish (blinders on) offensive games in the league. He moves like a slug on both ends —- seems like a good kid but man he can’t and/or doesn’t defend.

He apparently refused to speak with the media tonight after rightly being benched in Q4 - again IMO.

You looking in the mirror on this one 😏

I love over rooting for home drafted players and I struggle mightily with RJ since last year.

Drafted players are a fan's sports "children."

I'd swear he was a better defender before this year. Pretty sure I mentioned this earlier in the season, but I think RJ is too heavy. I'd go for the lean body and quickness...I'm saying get rid of 15 lbs, at least.

Agree, RJ has put on too much muscle. If he is going this route then trade Randle and make RJ a full time PF

How about we make Randle the Center, RJ the four and start JB, Grimes and IQ?

Small Ball=Kryptonite to Thibs.

I like rim protecting Cs too much. You saw it last night or for most of this losing part of the season that Mitch has been out with injury teams are driving into the paint doing what they want to us. How many times last night did they do that same play drive to the basket then backdoor to the other laker running up

So if our defense is predicated on having Robinson erase mistakes or the ineffectiveness of others, we have one player worth keeping.

If we can't beat a 38 year old Lebron on an ailing ankle and Davis who has been ailing all season- at home- then give up already and play Obi 30 minutes and see what he can give you, trade Randle for the most massive package you can get out there, and call it a season.

But I'm annoyed with Randle and Thibs in this one for that last attempt in regulation. Brunson is having one of those games where he is feeling it with 37 points and just hit two clutch shots and should have had the ball in his hands! Randle struggled shooting the ball and he is starting to show signs of the old Randle from last season with his dumb plays and arguing too much with the refs, which is really concerning. I'm not sure if it was Thibs who designed the play for Randle to take that last shot or if Randle decided himself to play hero ball but it was a dumb play and a wasted opportunity.

And if RJ wants to finish the game over IQ and Grimes, he needs to defend! IQ deserved to finish the game. I'm going to be pissed if we trade him in the next week unless it's for a star. Grimes three point shooting is starting to worry me. He went 0/5 last night and again failed to hit clutch wide open threes that would have given us a lead or cut a lead. He has a good motor defensively and is an underrated playmaker but he needs to start hitting his threes.

This team needs trades desperately or we're going to keep seeing the same thing. We'll finish .500 and get eliminated in the play-in.

CleaverGreene wrote:

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:and IQ must start. The experiment with grimes is done. IQ is just as good a defender than grimes and he can score. First quarters we always seem to be dowm 6,8,10 points because grimes cant shoot. We dont have a sg starting.

And then who is the PG off the bench?

Grimes starts in part to guard best PG/SG on court and learn from that. Same thing they did last year with RJ

The issue isn’t Quick or Grimes (who is struggling from 3) — the problem IMO is RJ.

He is a brutal defender..brutal and he has one of the more selfish (blinders on) offensive games in the league. He moves like a slug on both ends —- seems like a good kid but man he can’t and/or doesn’t defend.

He apparently refused to speak with the media tonight after rightly being benched in Q4 - again IMO.

You looking in the mirror on this one 😏

I love over rooting for home drafted players and I struggle mightily with RJ since last year.

Drafted players are a fan's sports "children."

I'd swear he was a better defender before this year. Pretty sure I mentioned this earlier in the season, but I think RJ is too heavy. I'd go for the lean body and quickness...I'm saying get rid of 15 lbs, at least.

Yeah I don’t think RJ will be playing SG again anytime soon

SergioNYK wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

martin wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:and IQ must start. The experiment with grimes is done. IQ is just as good a defender than grimes and he can score. First quarters we always seem to be dowm 6,8,10 points because grimes cant shoot. We dont have a sg starting.

And then who is the PG off the bench?

Grimes starts in part to guard best PG/SG on court and learn from that. Same thing they did last year with RJ

There is a guy named Rose on our bench and from what I hear hes pretty good.

WAS pretty good. Rose is cooked.

cooch2584 wrote:

martin wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:and IQ must start. The experiment with grimes is done. IQ is just as good a defender than grimes and he can score. First quarters we always seem to be dowm 6,8,10 points because grimes cant shoot. We dont have a sg starting.

And then who is the PG off the bench?

Grimes starts in part to guard best PG/SG on court and learn from that. Same thing they did last year with RJ

There is a guy named Rose on our bench and from what I hear hes pretty good.

Rose has been really good, up until this year of course.

It's a tiresome conversation. Grimes is going to be the long term starting SG and he has earned every minute of it. So has IQ - earned all his minutes - but he will get his soon in the form of a big fat contract.

But carry on, please discuss how giving 34 year old Rose minutes off the bench and truly ****ing up a good rotation and the development of Grimes as a POA is a worthwhile move while killing the perimeter defense and not just something that popped up into your head without much follow through on thought process.

You do understand that there are other considerations, right?