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7/16/2021  5:40 PM
smackeddog wrote:Who knows what we’re up to!

Or, they have a player that they love in the top ten: Bouknight? Moody? The real question is, which team in the top ten would be willing to swap with the Knicks. GS and the Pels are the two likely candidtates.
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7/16/2021  5:48 PM
Nalod wrote:Thibs will play Love until he begs to retire!!!!

Bleacher has it Knox, 19, 32 for Sexton. I like that. Not saying Toppin sticks but perhaps traded another day for greater value.

Haha! We'll all be begging for Love to retire. He's done.
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7/17/2021  8:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/17/2021  8:13 AM
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technomaster wrote:I can see a base trade of Obi/a couple of 1st rounders for Sexton/Love. Love hasn't been healthy for a few years now and he ruined my fantasy team last season, but if we can install him as a 3pt shooter and limit his minutes to keep his calves/achilles in order, he could still be a valuable perimeter shooting big man, something we didn't have last season. We can also rationalize veteran/championship experience.
If we have to take on Love's contract then the package we ship to Cleveland needs to be reduced. Love would be a cap liability and is still owed $60M+. I wouldn't be mad at having to add Love to the roster BUT only if it means we get to keep or acquire more assets in the deal. Boston had to give up a mid first round pick to move Kemba.

If you take on Love’s contract say good bye to any big time free agents next 2 years. Free agent Class of 2022 is the ultimate prize and we actually have a realistic shot this time of getting someone


Salary dumping Love on us is literally Cleveland’s only incentive in trading Sexton within the conference. Otherwise there’s plenty of teams in the West that can make similar package offers

How many more years are we going to bank on future free agents? I'm not saying I would advocate adding Love, just wouldn't be mad if we had to include him in the deal IF that resulted in us retaining more of our assets.

Thibs built a culture here last year. Love is the exact opposite of what you want in the building right now. He’s a $31 million dollar diva waste of space who doesn’t enjoy the game. Did I mention he can’t defend a parking meter?
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7/17/2021  8:14 AM
reub wrote:
Nalod wrote:Thibs will play Love until he begs to retire!!!!

Bleacher has it Knox, 19, 32 for Sexton. I like that. Not saying Toppin sticks but perhaps traded another day for greater value.

Haha! We'll all be begging for Love to retire. He's done.

He’s got $60 million guaranteed 2 years left on his deal


Again, I reiterate, we make this deal say bye to any big time free agents in 2022.
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7/17/2021  8:56 AM
Hey can any Knicks insider tell us if we got a deal here? I’d like to know the parameters to see what we will be left with draft wise.

Again I’m thinking

K love. Sexton for. Obi 1 k Knox pick 32. We could shove in iq into it for pick 32 back as we won’t need an additional 6-1 guy


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7/17/2021  9:03 AM
I don’t understand why anyone mentioning Love at all. His arrival would mean we don’t have serious space in 2022, and when his contract expires, we will already have new, bigger contracts for Randle, Mitch, and probably RJ. There is really no point in agreeing to take
Love and blocking most of the space in the next two free agencies with his contract.
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7/17/2021  9:29 AM
xavier wrote:I don’t understand why anyone mentioning Love at all. His arrival would mean we don’t have serious space in 2022, and when his contract expires, we will already have new, bigger contracts for Randle, Mitch, and probably RJ. There is really no point in agreeing to take
Love and blocking most of the space in the next two free agencies with his contract.

Love helps us get the premium player— and hopefully we keep important cost controlled role player draft picks.

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7/17/2021  9:41 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
xavier wrote:I don’t understand why anyone mentioning Love at all. His arrival would mean we don’t have serious space in 2022, and when his contract expires, we will already have new, bigger contracts for Randle, Mitch, and probably RJ. There is really no point in agreeing to take
Love and blocking most of the space in the next two free agencies with his contract.

Love helps us get the premium player— and hopefully we keep important cost controlled role player draft picks.

You mean Sexton? As I wrote, I am not against bringing him in principle, although I certainly would not call him a "premium" player. Of course he is great value on this contract, but when he asks for max in a year, and he will ask, not so much. I may be wrong, but he just looks like someone who has good numbers on a bad team, but won’t take that to a serious level. I may be wrong, but I repeat, I would bring him for a reasonable price. If Love is part of that price, there’s no way.
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7/17/2021  9:42 AM
xavier wrote:
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xavier wrote:I don’t understand why anyone mentioning Love at all. His arrival would mean we don’t have serious space in 2022, and when his contract expires, we will already have new, bigger contracts for Randle, Mitch, and probably RJ. There is really no point in agreeing to take
Love and blocking most of the space in the next two free agencies with his contract.

Love helps us get the premium player— and hopefully we keep important cost controlled role player draft picks.

You mean Sexton? As I wrote, I am not against bringing him in principle, although I certainly would not call him a "premium" player. Of course he is great value on this contract, but when he asks for max in a year, and he will ask, not so much. I may be wrong, but he just looks like someone who has good numbers on a bad team, but won’t take that to a serious level. I may be wrong, but I repeat, I would bring him for a reasonable price. If Love is part of that price, there’s no way.

No he’s a premium player

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7/17/2021  10:06 AM
BRIGGS wrote:No he’s a premium player

That would make Cleveland pretty stupid, right? They have had him for some time and now they want to get rid of him ... he is not a bad player, he definitely has his qualities, but I would say that he is not as good as you think.
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7/17/2021  10:19 AM
xavier wrote:I don’t understand why anyone mentioning Love at all. His arrival would mean we don’t have serious space in 2022, and when his contract expires, we will already have new, bigger contracts for Randle, Mitch, and probably RJ. There is really no point in agreeing to take
Love and blocking most of the space in the next two free agencies with his contract.

I'm also confused by the introduction of Love into the conversation. Shams didn't report that. The deal of Obie, Knox, and a pick at face value made sense.

Adding Love to the deal is something like Love, Sexton for #58.
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7/17/2021  10:36 AM
Best case scenario in this trade is Knox, 21 and 32 for Sexton and Love.

Honestly the only guy we realistically have a shot at Lavine in free agency. High taxes, high cost of living and high pressure. If you’re a player you love the crowd at MSG, but Randle have been destroyed since the playoffs.

We can get Obi some minutes at the 5 behind Mitch, play Love at the 5 a bit. Having a contract at 30MM to trade is important. Especially if you hang onto your two picks next year and young players on the roster developing there are other options available down the road.
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7/17/2021  10:44 AM
fwk00 wrote:
xavier wrote:I don’t understand why anyone mentioning Love at all. His arrival would mean we don’t have serious space in 2022, and when his contract expires, we will already have new, bigger contracts for Randle, Mitch, and probably RJ. There is really no point in agreeing to take
Love and blocking most of the space in the next two free agencies with his contract.

I'm also confused by the introduction of Love into the conversation. Shams didn't report that. The deal of Obie, Knox, and a pick at face value made sense.

Adding Love to the deal is something like Love, Sexton for #58.

It makes sense to Cleveland? No

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7/17/2021  11:15 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
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xavier wrote:I don’t understand why anyone mentioning Love at all. His arrival would mean we don’t have serious space in 2022, and when his contract expires, we will already have new, bigger contracts for Randle, Mitch, and probably RJ. There is really no point in agreeing to take
Love and blocking most of the space in the next two free agencies with his contract.

I'm also confused by the introduction of Love into the conversation. Shams didn't report that. The deal of Obie, Knox, and a pick at face value made sense.

Adding Love to the deal is something like Love, Sexton for #58.

It makes sense to Cleveland? No

My point is that taking on the Love contract is like giving your salary management constipation. He's a doorstop. Pinson has more value. Sexton would be the kicker needed to do that.

Who knows if it makes sense for Cleveland. If they like burning cash in barrels in front of the building then sure, its not worth it. If they have better things to do with their money than pay Sexton and Love, neither of whom add any value to their initiatives then they cut bait at any cost.
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7/17/2021  11:36 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
xavier wrote:I don’t understand why anyone mentioning Love at all. His arrival would mean we don’t have serious space in 2022, and when his contract expires, we will already have new, bigger contracts for Randle, Mitch, and probably RJ. There is really no point in agreeing to take
Love and blocking most of the space in the next two free agencies with his contract.

Love helps us get the premium player— and hopefully we keep important cost controlled role player draft picks.


Love would defeat the purpose of keeping those cost controlled assets. Yeah, maybe the Knicks hit on all their draft picks. But their cost gets negated when you have Love taking $30M in cap space. Then you factor in that he no longer looks like a contributing player. Those role players are no longer cost effective. In reality, they're costing the Knicks $30M in what's essentially dead space and a roster spot.
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7/17/2021  11:36 AM
For the first time in forever, the Knicks are in a position of strength regarding signing, trading and drafting of players. Its a trifecta.

The league is swimming in PGs who are overpaid and available AND!, AND this is a rich draft top to bottom AND even the undrafted crop will be getting calls.

That said, there is no single, perfect fit, PG candidate.

If we profile the new FO, I think we can triangulate some guesses about their methodology.

First, they are not recklessly spending money. It is not so much they look for bargains as they look for opportunities (see: Noel, Burks, the Argentinian,...).
They don't necessarily acquire troubled players. So unless RJackson, Sexton, Shroeder, and a few others have good references their chances of becoming Knicks is on a bubble.
They (mostly Thibs) don't mind age (see: Rose, Gibson). So expect a greybeard or two being signed/acquired.
They are smart with money management. If they trade for an expensive buy, expect them to be shedding salary/obligatory-salary in return.

A dark horse player to keep an eye on is Duncan Robinson. There's some chatter he wants to come to NY. Seems like a strange interesting candidate at swing 2/sf. Underdog player - garden loves these guys. A move that weakens Miami. There has to be some wind in those sails.
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7/17/2021  11:39 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/17/2021  11:39 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
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xavier wrote:I don’t understand why anyone mentioning Love at all. His arrival would mean we don’t have serious space in 2022, and when his contract expires, we will already have new, bigger contracts for Randle, Mitch, and probably RJ. There is really no point in agreeing to take
Love and blocking most of the space in the next two free agencies with his contract.

Love helps us get the premium player— and hopefully we keep important cost controlled role player draft picks.


Love would defeat the purpose of keeping those cost controlled assets. Yeah, maybe the Knicks hit on all their draft picks. But their cost gets negated when you have Love taking $30M in cap space. Then you factor in that he no longer looks like a contributing player. Those role players are no longer cost effective. In reality, they're costing the Knicks $30M in what's essentially dead space and a roster spot.

Spot on. Actually, when I look at any deal involving Love then Sexton and Allen who need to be in the package.
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BigDaddyG wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
xavier wrote:I don’t understand why anyone mentioning Love at all. His arrival would mean we don’t have serious space in 2022, and when his contract expires, we will already have new, bigger contracts for Randle, Mitch, and probably RJ. There is really no point in agreeing to take
Love and blocking most of the space in the next two free agencies with his contract.

Love helps us get the premium player— and hopefully we keep important cost controlled role player draft picks.


Love would defeat the purpose of keeping those cost controlled assets. Yeah, maybe the Knicks hit on all their draft picks. But their cost gets negated when you have Love taking $30M in cap space. Then you factor in that he no longer looks like a contributing player. Those role players are no longer cost effective. In reality, they're costing the Knicks $30M in what's essentially dead space and a roster spot.

Loves contract can be traded after next year

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BRIGGS wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
xavier wrote:I don’t understand why anyone mentioning Love at all. His arrival would mean we don’t have serious space in 2022, and when his contract expires, we will already have new, bigger contracts for Randle, Mitch, and probably RJ. There is really no point in agreeing to take
Love and blocking most of the space in the next two free agencies with his contract.

Love helps us get the premium player— and hopefully we keep important cost controlled role player draft picks.


Love would defeat the purpose of keeping those cost controlled assets. Yeah, maybe the Knicks hit on all their draft picks. But their cost gets negated when you have Love taking $30M in cap space. Then you factor in that he no longer looks like a contributing player. Those role players are no longer cost effective. In reality, they're costing the Knicks $30M in what's essentially dead space and a roster spot.

Loves contract can be traded after next year

Maybe. I'm sure Detroit thought the same thing about Blake. More than likely, the Knicks would have to buy him out and watch him sign with the Nets for the minimum.

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7/17/2021  12:51 PM
Cross LaVine off the list:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/zach-lavine-on-possible-extension-with-bulls-i-want-to-be-here-long-term/

Fortunately for the Bulls, LaVine appears to be somewhat flexible when it comes to his next deal. He wants to make what he deserves, but he specified on the Bulls Talk Podcast that he understands the position that the Bulls are in. He says that he wants to remain with the Bulls whether a new deal comes this offseason or next.

"With me, I try to let my agent handle everything," LaVine said. "But as long as it gets done, I'll be happy. I mean, obviously, I want to be with the Bulls and you don't want to implicate, you know, free agency, and I understand, like the cap room that goes into it with a sizable extension with me. So, I want the team to be good, but then I also want to be taken care of as well. I feel like I've done really well by the Bulls, and obviously I want to be here long term, and I feel like I deserve what I get. So, it is what it is. We'll figure [it] out when that comes. If it's this year, next year, we'll just see what happens."
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