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gradyandrew
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7/2/2021  4:45 AM
If the Clippers dip their toes into the free agency waters, they won’t have any cap space and could only use the taxpayer midlevel exception, worth $5.9 million, to sign a player.

Wish, the tax payer mle is way smaller than non taxpayer. That pretty much means Reggie is a goner, no way he resigns in that range, but 20 million per would be an overpay.

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7/2/2021  5:03 AM
MS wrote:How about a trade with OKC

SGA for both picks, Toppin, Quickly?

Gives us the best young backcourt know the league to pair with Randle and Mitch…

I would love to get SGA, but I think he's the player Morey targets- people think he'll go after Lillard, and he might, but I think SGA is the sleeper player he goes after as he tries to re-create the Harden trade he did when with the rockets.

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7/2/2021  10:16 AM
smackeddog wrote:
MS wrote:How about a trade with OKC

SGA for both picks, Toppin, Quickly?

Gives us the best young backcourt know the league to pair with Randle and Mitch…

I would love to get SGA, but I think he's the player Morey targets- people think he'll go after Lillard, and he might, but I think SGA is the sleeper player he goes after as he tries to re-create the Harden trade he did when with the rockets.

Are you thinking SGA as the center of a Ben Simmons trade? It's possible but the Kemba trade makes me think that they are still planning on being in the lottery next summer.

I think a Dejounte Murray/ Derrick White trade for Simmons makes sense for everyone. Pop gets a guy he can build the team around for a decade, 76ers get two guys who can fit any line up around Tobias and Embiid for the length of their contracts.

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7/2/2021  10:46 AM
i can't see the Spurs chasing Ben Simmons.

Also i think it would be foolish on expecting much change from Simmons. He certainly hasn't done it of his own accord or when he was making less money

i don't think that tiger will change his stripes.

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7/2/2021  11:36 AM
foosballnick wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
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Jimbo5 wrote:Part of the Knicks offseason plans revealed, if they are to be successful to trade for a superstar like Dame or Beal they plan to also sign Obre giving them a potential Randle, oubre, dame/Beal.

I guess a signing of Allen from the Cavs is very possible to replace mitch. This can be a very competitive starting 5. In this scenario i think its better to keep all 4 draft picks to fortify the bench. It might not be a bad plan but I do think RJ can reach close to the height/status of both Dame or Beal. Is the trade worth getting a 5 year championship window? Or is it better to stay on the current path and build a long term contender the way the warriors did it?

Offer Julius and a couple picks straight up for Lillard.

That's like trading Lebron for Wade..The purpose is to add an additional star, no swap them..

Aligned on this. No reason for bringing / paying a 31 year old Lillard as your "Batman" without keeping Randal as the "Robin". In addition, I'm for Lillard only if RJ is not part of the package and the picks that go back are spread out over a number of years instead of giving all our picks for this year.

Obi would take over at PF

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7/2/2021  11:38 AM
smackeddog wrote:

Doesn't sound like he's leaving

Show him the money on a 2 year deal. He’ll be loving NY

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7/2/2021  6:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/2/2021  6:46 PM
Chandler wrote:i can't see the Spurs chasing Ben Simmons.

Also i think it would be foolish on expecting much change from Simmons. He certainly hasn't done it of his own accord or when he was making less money

i don't think that tiger will change his stripes.

What does he need to change? Popovich just asks players to do what they are good at. DeRozan is a good example. His Last year in Toronto about 20% of his fga we're 3s. His first year in SA- that number plummeted to 3%. Ben gave up on the 76ers because he got tired of being the scapegoat for poor coaching.

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7/2/2021  10:01 PM
gradyandrew wrote:
Chandler wrote:i can't see the Spurs chasing Ben Simmons.

Also i think it would be foolish on expecting much change from Simmons. He certainly hasn't done it of his own accord or when he was making less money

i don't think that tiger will change his stripes.

What does he need to change? Popovich just asks players to do what they are good at. DeRozan is a good example. His Last year in Toronto about 20% of his fga we're 3s. His first year in SA- that number plummeted to 3%. Ben gave up on the 76ers because he got tired of being the scapegoat for poor coaching.

even ben, reluctantly, agrees he has huge holes in his game on the offensive end

waaaaay over-priced and a liability at the end of a game

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7/3/2021  12:24 AM
He scored 42 vs. Utah earlier in the season. The issue is playing with Embiid.
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7/3/2021  7:20 PM
gradyandrew wrote:He scored 42 vs. Utah earlier in the season. The issue is playing with Embiid.

If the price was right, why not?

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7/4/2021  2:57 PM
Philc1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:Part of the Knicks offseason plans revealed, if they are to be successful to trade for a superstar like Dame or Beal they plan to also sign Obre giving them a potential Randle, oubre, dame/Beal.

I guess a signing of Allen from the Cavs is very possible to replace mitch. This can be a very competitive starting 5. In this scenario i think its better to keep all 4 draft picks to fortify the bench. It might not be a bad plan but I do think RJ can reach close to the height/status of both Dame or Beal. Is the trade worth getting a 5 year championship window? Or is it better to stay on the current path and build a long term contender the way the warriors did it?

Offer Julius and a couple picks straight up for Lillard.

That's like trading Lebron for Wade..The purpose is to add an additional star, no swap them..

Aligned on this. No reason for bringing / paying a 31 year old Lillard as your "Batman" without keeping Randal as the "Robin". In addition, I'm for Lillard only if RJ is not part of the package and the picks that go back are spread out over a number of years instead of giving all our picks for this year.

Obi would take over at PF


A trade of Lillard for Randle and a couple of picks are a BIG Knicks steal!
Lillard has been a all-star leader since his rookie season.
Randle and Barrett's talents are best at the SF position, they both are individual players having a low b.ball IQ. Don't let their performance in Covid-19 empty stadiums fool you.
Obi & MitchRob need to be paired up as our offence/defense frontcourt paint protectors in a lineup for next season to get on the same-page as the Knicks above the rim tandems for the future.
Lillard, D.Rose, and Quickley could run the guard rotation next season.

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7/4/2021  5:50 PM
Kemet wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:Part of the Knicks offseason plans revealed, if they are to be successful to trade for a superstar like Dame or Beal they plan to also sign Obre giving them a potential Randle, oubre, dame/Beal.

I guess a signing of Allen from the Cavs is very possible to replace mitch. This can be a very competitive starting 5. In this scenario i think its better to keep all 4 draft picks to fortify the bench. It might not be a bad plan but I do think RJ can reach close to the height/status of both Dame or Beal. Is the trade worth getting a 5 year championship window? Or is it better to stay on the current path and build a long term contender the way the warriors did it?

Offer Julius and a couple picks straight up for Lillard.

That's like trading Lebron for Wade..The purpose is to add an additional star, no swap them..

Aligned on this. No reason for bringing / paying a 31 year old Lillard as your "Batman" without keeping Randal as the "Robin". In addition, I'm for Lillard only if RJ is not part of the package and the picks that go back are spread out over a number of years instead of giving all our picks for this year.

Obi would take over at PF


A trade of Lillard for Randle and a couple of picks are a BIG Knicks steal!
Lillard has been a all-star leader since his rookie season.
Randle and Barrett's talents are best at the SF position, they both are individual players having a low b.ball IQ. Don't let their performance in Covid-19 empty stadiums fool you.
Obi & MitchRob need to be paired up as our offence/defense frontcourt paint protectors in a lineup for next season to get on the same-page as the Knicks above the rim tandems for the future.
Lillard, D.Rose, and Quickley could run the guard rotation next season.

IDK, Lillard is in the Space Jam movie with Lebron and posse. My guess is that if he goes anywhere it will be on the West coast. Nor do I think it would be just Randle and a couple of picks.

It seems to me that there's an Occum's razor solution to the Knicks summer changes. Sign Reggie Jackson and Oubre and draft judiciously.

As for other FAs, how about any combination of David Nwaba, Harry Giles, Caruso... who did I miss?

Draft? Ziare Williams? Chris Duarte? BJ Boston? Queta? McBride?

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7/4/2021  8:01 PM
Not sure I understand why spacejam factors into his desire to be west coast.
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7/5/2021  1:32 AM
Nalod wrote:Not sure I understand why spacejam factors into his desire to be west coast.

Because it's the NBA and if at the end Lillard wants to be a Lakers, somehow it will happen.

I keep going back to the zero sum nature of the NBA. Knicks caught some breaks this season, a little less luck could have them drop into the play in round. With Carisle coaching Indiana and McMillan coaching a full season in Atlanta, expect those wins to be tougher.

Now the Knicks are in a good salary cap situation with several competitors in tight spots.
Namely Atlanta, Indiana, Charlotte, and Miami all have restricted free agents With low cap holds they would prefer to deal with after they have already done some other transactions. New York is in a great spot to either steal, young up coming Players or hamstring our rivals into being out of the free agent game. Evan Fournier is also available for the right price Boston is close enough to the luxury tax that there's a limit to what they are comfortable offering him.

Why go after Reggie and Oubre when some combination of Collins, McConnell, McDermont, Monk, Graham, Nunn, Duncan, or Fournier gets you just as close while weakening the competition.

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7/5/2021  2:22 AM
gradyandrew wrote:
Nalod wrote:Not sure I understand why spacejam factors into his desire to be west coast.

Because it's the NBA and if at the end Lillard wants to be a Lakers, somehow it will happen.

I keep going back to the zero sum nature of the NBA. Knicks caught some breaks this season, a little less luck could have them drop into the play in round. With Carisle coaching Indiana and McMillan coaching a full season in Atlanta, expect those wins to be tougher.

Now the Knicks are in a good salary cap situation with several competitors in tight spots.
Namely Atlanta, Indiana, Charlotte, and Miami all have restricted free agents With low cap holds they would prefer to deal with after they have already done some other transactions. New York is in a great spot to either steal, young up coming Players or hamstring our rivals into being out of the free agent game. Evan Fournier is also available for the right price Boston is close enough to the luxury tax that there's a limit to what they are comfortable offering him.

Why go after Reggie and Oubre when some combination of Collins, McConnell, McDermont, Monk, Graham, Nunn, Duncan, or Fournier gets you just as close while weakening the competition.

Yep, yep. I agree. Knicks have to be shrewd but they can definitely come up at the expense of other teams messing up.

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7/5/2021  12:33 PM
gradyandrew wrote:
Nalod wrote:Not sure I understand why spacejam factors into his desire to be west coast.

Because it's the NBA and if at the end Lillard wants to be a Lakers, somehow it will happen.

I keep going back to the zero sum nature of the NBA. Knicks caught some breaks this season, a little less luck could have them drop into the play in round. With Carisle coaching Indiana and McMillan coaching a full season in Atlanta, expect those wins to be tougher.

Now the Knicks are in a good salary cap situation with several competitors in tight spots.
Namely Atlanta, Indiana, Charlotte, and Miami all have restricted free agents With low cap holds they would prefer to deal with after they have already done some other transactions. New York is in a great spot to either steal, young up coming Players or hamstring our rivals into being out of the free agent game. Evan Fournier is also available for the right price Boston is close enough to the luxury tax that there's a limit to what they are comfortable offering him.

Why go after Reggie and Oubre when some combination of Collins, McConnell, McDermont, Monk, Graham, Nunn, Duncan, or Fournier gets you just as close while weakening the competition.

So NBA players want to be a Laker? Salary wise how can that happen with AD and Lebron? They seem a bit thin to make a trade.
Clippers exist but what trade capital do they have to fit his salary in?

Also, Dame has no leverage. He has years left on his deal and does not own a "no trade clause". No threat to "not sign" if traded leverage.
Again, what does a movie he made last year have to with him being in LA? He has not made a demand.
McCollum makes sense to trade now.

Logic says if Dame is not happy POrtaland needs to reboot to some extent and get the best deal they can. That might be OKC but does the thunder then have an unhappy player?
Sometimes you can have the money or the chip. Sometimes you pick one or the other. Not every player chases a ring to complete them.
There is a logical path for something with Boston for Jaylen Brown. Paired with Tatum that might be a good thing. Boston can go there or to Wiz with Beal.

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7/5/2021  1:16 PM
Depending on what the various teams are thinking/wanting, I'd kick the tires on a three way trade with the Craptors sending the 4th pick to OKC, Knicks sending RJ to the Raptors (plus whatever picks to whomever) and OKC sending SGA to us (if it's true OKC don't think he matches their timeline, and if they really want to move up to the 4th spot for whichever of the top 4 players are left.
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7/5/2021  5:10 PM
RJ for SGA? We have like 8+ other assets where we don't have to trade one starting position for another. While SGA seems like a budding star - does he shoot well enough from outside to really complement what we seem to be trying to build around? Do we want a ball dominant PG or a complementary type PG? Dame is terrific but too old and would cost way too much. My limit would be 2 #1 picks and anyone not named RJ or Mitch could go to match salaries. Chris Paul won't leave Phx as they are in the finals and he already chose Phx over NY. Terry Rozier or Devonte Graham have some low cost potential - but not sure they move the needle enough. Jalen Brunson is appealing but will have to wait the season out to see what Kidd and the Mavs do with him. Leaves us with Colin Sexton - plays hard, can shoot pretty well, young and fits the timeline and supposedly Cavs are willing to move him and also like Knox... Sexton has also been referred to as a knucklehead and vets were complaining about the way he plays team basketball. Hard to know/judge that comment as the Cavs were awful and Sexton often looked like the only player going at it defensively. If Sexton would only cost a #1 and Knox that would have to worth considering. Ball maybe a better fit for our current roster as he can lead or play off the ball a little more...

I really think the PG play is Ball or Colin Sexton (worst case R. Jackson on cheap deal).

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7/6/2021  12:57 AM
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If the Clippers dip their toes into the free agency waters, they won’t have any cap space and could only use the taxpayer midlevel exception, worth $5.9 million, to sign a player.

Wish, the tax payer mle is way smaller than non taxpayer. That pretty much means Reggie is a goner, no way he resigns in that range, but 20 million per would be an overpay.

If you want Reggie, who without a doubt improves this team, you have to overpay on likely a 2 year deal at $20 mil per range. That’s our edge in getting him

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7/6/2021  7:10 AM
jskinny35 wrote:I really think the PG play is Ball or Colin Sexton (worst case R. Jackson on cheap deal).
Not sure about Jackson but I agree otherwise. I'm certain the Cavs will draft a guard so I can definitely see Sexton being available and I'm not sure we'd have to give up the farm to get him. Certainly way less than trying to get Dame. I'm still waffling on Ball.
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