BigDaddyG wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

martin wrote:

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Mook trade. Version 2.

My guess is that they would trade both Rivers and Burks to a vet team if the right trade came up

Absolutely. Burks especially has value

Burks actually fills a legit need for this team with his three-point shooting. Rivers has become beyond redundant now.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

martin wrote:

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Mook trade. Version 2.

My guess is that they would trade both Rivers and Burks to a vet team if the right trade came up

Absolutely. Burks especially has value

Burks actually fills a legit need for this team with his three-point shooting. Rivers has become beyond redundant now.

I meant if we sell off at the deadline

I fear the Knicks will be buyers and there won't be any selling off at the deadline they'll be fighting to lose in the play-in game.

BigDaddyG wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

martin wrote:

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https://twitter.com/jcmacrinba/status/1358521520579104774

Mook trade. Version 2.

My guess is that they would trade both Rivers and Burks to a vet team if the right trade came up

Absolutely. Burks especially has value

Burks actually fills a legit need for this team with his three-point shooting. Rivers has become beyond redundant now.

I meant if we sell off at the deadline

I fear the Knicks will be buyers and there won't be any selling off at the deadline they'll be fighting to lose in the play-in game.

joec32033 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TPercy wrote:Great!

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no not great. We are giving up draft picks. If The Knicks gave Detroit their second back they got fleeced

Wow. Trade a young kid after one bad year for a 32 year old with history of knee problems. Plus we give up draft picks? First old school Knick move from Rose. It must be the water at the Garden.

I’d certainly wait for the deal to be finalized before criticizing Rose. Not a fan of “draft compensation” here.

Only thing I don’t like is the uncertainty it puts on IQs declining minutes. Could really use a SF.

True but any draft compensation is a waste for an aging back up. Totally agree about a SF. That was one of my points. Trading due to a log jam is fine. Smith was odd man out and did not have a good span here. But why trade him for yet another PG to keep the log jam going?

Exactly how many young players can one team have? You can not develop 15 young players. Not saying that this was the right trade, but 4 picks in 1 draft is a lot. If we're an older team, I would say keep them but we are so young already, I don't see the harm other than you could have possibly used the pick to trade for a better fitting vet later. Maybe.

Disagree. With the uncertainty of the draft, its always the more the better. After all it is a crap shoot. Would much rather have another chance at getting another IQ than adding an aged PG that we have already seen before.

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GustavBahler wrote:Things were looking up for the Knicks, and the Rose for Rolo trade started the downward spiral. I dont get the FO amnesia

Different front office. Different coach. Different set of circumstances. Each situation is mutually exclusive.

Rose wrecked team chemistry. The idea is to avoid the mistakes of previous regimes.

Stupid trade, usual franchise move. Why give up anything for this guy. He sucked when we had him, how sucks now. Unless you are rerouting him I don’t get the stupidity of this move.

The time machine just pulled back into the station. Who is he better than. Thibs, this is pathetic.

Gibson more minutes than Toppin? Guy can’t help himself. Stop the stupid ****.

Let’s win some games so we miss out on Steph Curry.

martin wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

martin wrote:My thought is Rose is added to help IQ to learn the game.

Rivers is a secondary ball handler with IQ and just get guys involved.

Maybe this will also help Obi and that unit

I’d love to think this way.

Yet the way Thibs coaches, the way he has used Quickley lately and the way he uses veterans tells me this is to use Rose as much as he wants.

Knicks playing best defense in league, overachieving with wins, and IQ is the surprise rookie this year playing 19 minutes a game.

Guess we got to complain about something.... that hasn’t even happened

Nah, not complaining to just complain. I’ve stated the reasons I’m very impressed with Thibs and our competence is all his doing. But that won’t stop me from calling out situations and patters that I don’t like. The Knox and Frank situation is really suspicious and negative for the team’s future and when you consider Thibs history with young players, it makes sense. Quick has been a great surprise, but he has had his minutes reduced lately and seems to have no margin for error out there, which sucks when you see Payton struggling yet remaining on the floor. But that is moot point as now will be the moment of truth for Thibs. With Rose, Payton and Quick, we’ll see if he keeps giving IQ consistent minutes, but his track record speaks otherwise.

Oh, and for all the kudos he deserves for those 11 wins, he has really walked himself out of more wins with his substitutions. Trusting your team enough to give other players more minutes it’s not just about developing players, but about giving fair rest to the players you rely in the most. Another track record issue from Thibs that has to be mentioned.

So while I love this competitive team, I’m not gonna just sing him praises when I see things that are fishy to me.

Knicksfan wrote:

martin wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

martin wrote:My thought is Rose is added to help IQ to learn the game.

Rivers is a secondary ball handler with IQ and just get guys involved.

Maybe this will also help Obi and that unit

I’d love to think this way.

Yet the way Thibs coaches, the way he has used Quickley lately and the way he uses veterans tells me this is to use Rose as much as he wants.

Knicks playing best defense in league, overachieving with wins, and IQ is the surprise rookie this year playing 19 minutes a game.

Guess we got to complain about something.... that hasn’t even happened

Nah, not complaining to just complain. I’ve stated the reasons I’m very impressed with Thibs and our competence is all his doing. But that won’t stop me from calling out situations and patters that I don’t like. The Knox and Frank situation is really suspicious and negative for the team’s future and when you consider Thibs history with young players, it makes sense. Quick has been a great surprise, but he has had his minutes reduced lately and seems to have no margin for error out there, which sucks when you see Payton struggling yet remaining on the floor. But that is moot point as now will be the moment of truth for Thibs. With Rose, Payton and Quick, we’ll see if he keeps giving IQ consistent minutes, but his track record speaks otherwise.

Oh, and for all the kudos he deserves for those 11 wins, he has really walked himself out of more wins with his substitutions. Trusting your team enough to give other players more minutes it’s not just about developing players, but about giving fair rest to the players you rely in the most. Another track record issue from Thibs that has to be mentioned.

So while I love this competitive team, I’m not gonna just sing him praises when I see things that are fishy to me.

This is where I am also. I’m looking for reasons in Elf’s play and his defense has been solid. Not sure if IQ is missing rotations or something, but it’s hard to tell the minute allocation except based on years of experience.