martin wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:🤷

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I would do this trade in a second. However If Denver is willing to trade him for Obi it would mean they have no plans to extend him. They must think his back is shot.If he is healthy there would be zero chance a competent franchise like the Nuggets would make this trade.

This....I can't see Denver making this trade. I would also be a little surprised if Leon trades his first lotto pick so soon. With that said, if this is on the table, if you are the Knicks, you pull the trigger. I don't trust the source, though...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

OMG we would be getting raped.

Porter for Obi would be an incredible pump and dump for Denver. Porter is a talented kid with a broken back. Obi is going to have a good career. Porter is an NBA player with a shot back. Please no... Please. Want to take a shot? They can have Austin Rivers and the Detroit pick. Pick 31 is worth a shot at getting Porter healthy and playing a role. Obi is NOT worth that.

I guess I'm just not as high on Obi as you are.

First off, we are not utilizing or playing to Obi's strengths. Obi is an open court player and we are either dead last or near last in offensive pacing. Obi is also a great finisher whether it be off the pick n roll and or receiving a pass in the the dunker spot off dribble penetration by a pg, things that we are not doing for him. We are using him as a floor spacer which is something he is capable of but its not a strength.

Second, if Julius continues to play at an all-star level, he will be extended. On this team and with this Coach, Obi is looking to be a 12-15 min per game rotational player. He doesn't handle the ball well enough to create his own offense nor is he big enough to play the 5. At least, Thibs doesn't seem to think he's big enough.

Third, I watched every single Nuggets game in the playoffs last year. Porter Jr. has the potential to be an allstar for years to come. He's a 6'10 wing that can create his own shot and can space the floor as a shooter and is a pure scorer. He's 22 (younger than Obi) so he fits the timeline with RJ, Randle, Quick, Mitch, etc. I get the concerns about his back. I posted a link below in which a doctor address these concerns. Of course there are varying opinions on it so take that for what its worth.

Lastly, if I'm Denver, I'm not trading Porter for Obi. Porter has much more potential, imo. I think Obi will look a lot better on a team that pushes the pace and has a PG that can pass-hit-teammates-open rather than passes to the open man. Look at what Lamelo Ball is doing for Miles Bridges...A team like that will utilize his potential and at the same time may cover up some of his flaws.

https://www.sportscardinvestor.com/2020/06/16/3-reasons-you-should-not-be-worried-about-michael-porter-jrs-back-injury-history/

What's Porter's defense like?

Average at best....but, so was Julius and several other players that were on this team last and are now a part of the number 1 rated defense this year. He has the potential and length to be a pretty good defender under Thibs and the coaching staffs system and tutelage.

jskinny35 wrote:It would be the ultimate knicks move to have passed on Porter during draft night (for Knox), then experience 2-3 years of the bust that has been Knox only to trade him for Porter... and than watch apply for a medical exception after Porter's back goes out. My head would explode if we instead gave up Obi or someone on the team with possible unrealized potential.

lol

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:Not for nothing but I'd guess if Nuggets are talking to the Knicks about Porter Jr the real goal of the talks are Julius and they are just making their way there. Obi is just the conversation starter and not the real target

there are a few teams you look at and Randle could really elevate them. Utah/Denver/Portland come to mind.

Knicks are sitting on a gold mind of the Julius Randle sort. I don't watch Jrue Holiday at all but he was only an all star once and over the past 3-4 years only barely averages more assists than Julius.

If you get a Jrue Holiday sort of offer.....

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:Not for nothing but I'd guess if Nuggets are talking to the Knicks about Porter Jr the real goal of the talks are Julius and they are just making their way there. Obi is just the conversation starter and not the real target

there are a few teams you look at and Randle could really elevate them. Utah/Denver/Portland come to mind.

Knicks are sitting on a gold mind of the Julius Randle sort. I don't watch Jrue Holiday at all but he was only an all star once and over the past 3-4 years only barely averages more assists than Julius.

If you get a Jrue Holiday sort of offer.....

That would make anyone sweat, even when you make up your mind that Randle is a building block.

But can Denver offer a package like that? Can any contender?

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

martin wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:🤷

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https://twitter.com/rrtfb/status/1359005817085825024

I would do this trade in a second. However If Denver is willing to trade him for Obi it would mean they have no plans to extend him. They must think his back is shot.If he is healthy there would be zero chance a competent franchise like the Nuggets would make this trade.

This....I can't see Denver making this trade. I would also be a little surprised if Leon trades his first lotto pick so soon. With that said, if this is on the table, if you are the Knicks, you pull the trigger. I don't trust the source, though...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

OMG we would be getting raped.

Porter for Obi would be an incredible pump and dump for Denver. Porter is a talented kid with a broken back. Obi is going to have a good career. Porter is an NBA player with a shot back. Please no... Please. Want to take a shot? They can have Austin Rivers and the Detroit pick. Pick 31 is worth a shot at getting Porter healthy and playing a role. Obi is NOT worth that.

I guess I'm just not as high on Obi as you are.

First off, we are not utilizing or playing to Obi's strengths. Obi is an open court player and we are either dead last or near last in offensive pacing. Obi is also a great finisher whether it be off the pick n roll and or receiving a pass in the the dunker spot off dribble penetration by a pg, things that we are not doing for him. We are using him as a floor spacer which is something he is capable of but its not a strength.

Second, if Julius continues to play at an all-star level, he will be extended. On this team and with this Coach, Obi is looking to be a 12-15 min per game rotational player. He doesn't handle the ball well enough to create his own offense nor is he big enough to play the 5. At least, Thibs doesn't seem to think he's big enough.

Third, I watched every single Nuggets game in the playoffs last year. Porter Jr. has the potential to be an allstar for years to come. He's a 6'10 wing that can create his own shot and can space the floor as a shooter and is a pure scorer. He's 22 (younger than Obi) so he fits the timeline with RJ, Randle, Quick, Mitch, etc. I get the concerns about his back. I posted a link below in which a doctor address these concerns. Of course there are varying opinions on it so take that for what its worth.

Lastly, if I'm Denver, I'm not trading Porter for Obi. Porter has much more potential, imo. I think Obi will look a lot better on a team that pushes the pace and has a PG that can pass-hit-teammates-open rather than passes to the open man. Look at what Lamelo Ball is doing for Miles Bridges...A team like that will utilize his potential and at the same time may cover up some of his flaws.

https://www.sportscardinvestor.com/2020/06/16/3-reasons-you-should-not-be-worried-about-michael-porter-jrs-back-injury-history/

What's Porter's defense like?

Average at best....but, so was Julius and several other players that were on this team last and are now a part of the number 1 rated defense this year. He has the potential and length to be a pretty good defender under Thibs and the coaching staffs system and tutelage.

that article is not glowing:

The data points to there being both an initial drop off in performance (PER) as well as fewer games played in the first postoperative season for those who underwent the surgery when compared to those who elected not to have it. However, during the second post-operative year and beyond, these players showed no difference in the same metrics when compared with those who chose not to operate. In other words, these two groups both generally returned to form and did not have significant drops in their career length following the injury.

basically the guys who operate vs. the ones who didnt ended up having the same metrics

Regardless he is damaged goods... big time.

Regardless of the current Knick's situation Obi should be viewed as a core rotation piece of the future until otherwise. Cant draft a kid and be like meh after 25 games with minimal minutes. Ultimate sell low on Obi now and its a now way no how for me.

Knox yeah, Obi phuck NO.

When Porter has a couple b2b 75 games played seasons I will believe. Until that everything you get from him is bonus and I am treating it as such. Knox and Detroit pick is a fair price. If someone else wants to pay higher have at it

It's definitely a risk, I'm not denying that. The back history is the only reason why Denver doesn't hang up the phone if the Knicks offered Obi for Porter's services. In fact, I think they hang up anyway which is why I do not believe this rumor. Porter's skill level is a light-year beyond where Obi's skill level is. Porter is a 50-40-80 player so far in his short career.

I get the fact its only 25 games into Obi's career. But, I think one of the reasons Obi was targeted in the draft (outside of Leon Rose's connection to him) was the idea that the front office may have been preparing to move-on from Randle, probably at the trade deadline. With Randle like an allstar and playing with complete buy-in, I wouldn't be surprised if the front office may have pivoted off their stance on Randle, especially if he can maintain this level of play.

When and if Porter plays back to back 75 game seasons, there is no way in hell we will be able to get Porter for Obi. By the same token, Obi's value may be even lower by then considering he will be getting 12-15 mins behind Randle. Again, its risky, I get it, but hey...no risk-it no biscuit

Knicksfan wrote:

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:Not for nothing but I'd guess if Nuggets are talking to the Knicks about Porter Jr the real goal of the talks are Julius and they are just making their way there. Obi is just the conversation starter and not the real target

there are a few teams you look at and Randle could really elevate them. Utah/Denver/Portland come to mind.

Knicks are sitting on a gold mind of the Julius Randle sort. I don't watch Jrue Holiday at all but he was only an all star once and over the past 3-4 years only barely averages more assists than Julius.

If you get a Jrue Holiday sort of offer.....

That would make anyone sweat, even when you make up your mind that Randle is a building block.

But can Denver offer a package like that? Can any contender?

Haha, asked and answered by the Milwaukee for Jrue Holiday trade

It is worth mentioning that next year we will have the following rotation
Randle
Barrett
Mitch
Dallas Pick
Our pick
IQ
Toppin
Rose( likely resigns)
Starting/backup C
Rivers
Burks(we’d be foolish not to resign at the value he’s bringing)
Detroit pick

I feel like we’d have too much young talent with little playing time available so a move might be necessary. MPJ fits the bill for a player who could help with that without costing too much.

martin wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:🤷

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/rrtfb/status/1359005817085825024

I would do this trade in a second. However If Denver is willing to trade him for Obi it would mean they have no plans to extend him. They must think his back is shot.If he is healthy there would be zero chance a competent franchise like the Nuggets would make this trade.

This....I can't see Denver making this trade. I would also be a little surprised if Leon trades his first lotto pick so soon. With that said, if this is on the table, if you are the Knicks, you pull the trigger. I don't trust the source, though...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

OMG we would be getting raped.

Porter for Obi would be an incredible pump and dump for Denver. Porter is a talented kid with a broken back. Obi is going to have a good career. Porter is an NBA player with a shot back. Please no... Please. Want to take a shot? They can have Austin Rivers and the Detroit pick. Pick 31 is worth a shot at getting Porter healthy and playing a role. Obi is NOT worth that.

I guess I'm just not as high on Obi as you are.

First off, we are not utilizing or playing to Obi's strengths. Obi is an open court player and we are either dead last or near last in offensive pacing. Obi is also a great finisher whether it be off the pick n roll and or receiving a pass in the the dunker spot off dribble penetration by a pg, things that we are not doing for him. We are using him as a floor spacer which is something he is capable of but its not a strength.

Second, if Julius continues to play at an all-star level, he will be extended. On this team and with this Coach, Obi is looking to be a 12-15 min per game rotational player. He doesn't handle the ball well enough to create his own offense nor is he big enough to play the 5. At least, Thibs doesn't seem to think he's big enough.

Third, I watched every single Nuggets game in the playoffs last year. Porter Jr. has the potential to be an allstar for years to come. He's a 6'10 wing that can create his own shot and can space the floor as a shooter and is a pure scorer. He's 22 (younger than Obi) so he fits the timeline with RJ, Randle, Quick, Mitch, etc. I get the concerns about his back. I posted a link below in which a doctor address these concerns. Of course there are varying opinions on it so take that for what its worth.

Lastly, if I'm Denver, I'm not trading Porter for Obi. Porter has much more potential, imo. I think Obi will look a lot better on a team that pushes the pace and has a PG that can pass-hit-teammates-open rather than passes to the open man. Look at what Lamelo Ball is doing for Miles Bridges...A team like that will utilize his potential and at the same time may cover up some of his flaws.

https://www.sportscardinvestor.com/2020/06/16/3-reasons-you-should-not-be-worried-about-michael-porter-jrs-back-injury-history/

What's Porter's defense like?