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houston20
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8/25/2020  1:53 PM
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houston20 wrote:Something is fishy going on with the mavs and kp sitting out 2 playoffs game in a row with a sore knee. I think he tore something his knee like mcl because rick carlie he couldn't release hippa on kp injury. I am just saying something is up with mavs and kp situation with his knee.

So when are we allowed to gloat?

When mavs season is over hopefully after thursday but we can gloat right now. I think we are going to find out after season is over about kp knee situation.

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8/25/2020  2:29 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
houston20 wrote:Something is fishy going on with the mavs and kp sitting out 2 playoffs game in a row with a sore knee. I think he tore something his knee like mcl because rick carlie he couldn't release hippa on kp injury. I am just saying something is up with mavs and kp situation with his knee.

So when are we allowed to gloat?

LOL.........
Oh man, the issue was never his talent. It was his durability. Bill Simmons did a funny bit on the Skinny Euro bigs who we think will crack the code. Jokic and Nurich are big wide dudes. Bargnani, KP, and Lauri Marrrrkkkkkeeeennnnn so far have not despite the obvious talent. The lure of small ball but doing it with 7footers is intensely attractive. Durant had a great run. Its doable but body type matters. We are seeing more freaks than ever. KP at 7’3 moves like a wing. Zion is Lawrence Taylor with wings, and Bol Bol is..........not a basketball player body but worked hard on his fundamentals to get this far. Let’s be real, its his height that makes him compelling.

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8/25/2020  3:39 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
houston20 wrote:Something is fishy going on with the mavs and kp sitting out 2 playoffs game in a row with a sore knee. I think he tore something his knee like mcl because rick carlie he couldn't release hippa on kp injury. I am just saying something is up with mavs and kp situation with his knee.
So when are we allowed to gloat?
DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
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8/25/2020  3:41 PM
This might play out as a train wreck and KP might break into 86 bajillion pieces, but we still got fleeced
DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
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8/25/2020  3:42 PM
KP's a damned if you do, damned if you don't sort of player. Play him as a wing, and all of those quick explosive movements on the perimeter put a lot of wear and tear on his body.

Play that beanpole body and skinny legs in the paint, and he'll also take a beating there.

I wish the Knicks could have gotten more value for him. Alas, you trade damaged goods, you get damaged goods back (DSJ).

KP will probably be one of those disruptive forces for his team. Guaranteed to miss 20-30 games every season... his teams will have a hard time adjusting to him in and out of the lineup because of the unique match up problems he causes. (you can't just plug in a standard 6'7" wing or 6'9" PF in his place and run the same plays)

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8/25/2020  4:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/25/2020  4:17 PM
We shall gloat when in 2 years Luka Doncic, disgusted by the directionless Mavs who are saddled with the perennially injured Judas's albatross contract, leaves for the young, talented up and coming New York Knicks team. The Knicks may even give the Mavs their remaining draft pick back as compensation.
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8/25/2020  4:16 PM
ESOMKnicks wrote:We shall gloat when in 2 years Luka Doncic, disgusted by the directionless Mavs who are saddled with Judas's albatross contract, leaves for the young, talented up and coming New York Knicks team. The Knicks may even give the Mavs their remaining draft pick back as compensation.

Knicks will have to take the KP contract off Dallas's hands

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8/25/2020  4:48 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:This might play out as a train wreck and KP might break into 86 bajillion pieces, but we still got fleeced

So you already know what those draft picks will turn into -- please share that with us.

As stated there was never a question of his talent. But strictly looking at his ability to stay on the court one has to at least consider if he is worth keeping. Add to that price tag, the sleazy clubbing lifestyle, the douche factor, the douche brother factor....

Screw 'im. Newman is laughing.

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8/25/2020  4:56 PM
Can Martin change the thread title and add the word ‘not’ to it?
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8/26/2020  4:56 AM
houston20 wrote:Something is fishy going on with the mavs and kp sitting out 2 playoffs game in a row with a sore knee. I think he tore something his knee like mcl because rick carlie he couldn't release hippa on kp injury. I am just saying something is up with mavs and kp situation with his knee.

MRI is negative, so stop dreaming

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8/26/2020  8:08 AM
The questions about KP’s durability remain even with the improved situation. This is after months of rest and only playing in a handful of games.
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8/26/2020  10:10 AM
How many athletes have played hurt over the years -- particularly in the playoffs? This is not questioning his commitment, rather how serious is the pain to keep him out of two playoff games (thus far) in a tight series? Must be bad.
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8/26/2020  11:28 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:The questions about KP’s durability remain even with the improved situation. This is after months of rest and only playing in a handful of games.

You can say that about a several players in the league including westbrook

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8/26/2020  11:29 AM
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NYKBocker wrote:The beast is out again for today's game.

He always has great seats though.

Stay Broke

Stay Broke.

ROFLMAO

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8/26/2020  11:32 AM
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NYKBocker wrote:
houston20 wrote:Something is fishy going on with the mavs and kp sitting out 2 playoffs game in a row with a sore knee. I think he tore something his knee like mcl because rick carlie he couldn't release hippa on kp injury. I am just saying something is up with mavs and kp situation with his knee.

So when are we allowed to gloat?

If it doesn't work out for Dallas, Cuban can still trade Zinger. He's on a long term deal, he's still young, and when he plays, he's usually productive. Lots of teams would take the risk in terms of injury profile and the trade return would be far more than the Knicks got for trading him.

Big men have far riskier injury profiles on the average. It's one of the reasons why teams are shifting to small ball. However something to notice is Tacko Falls and the Celtics. They clearly are trying to develop him to use him as a situational limited minutes mismatch weapon. Which I suspect how teams will have to manage the injury risk reality in the future.

Intersting enough, this current Mavericks team has 7 guys with offensive rating over 115, which is unprecedented. That's the most ever in league history. The only guy in their rotation who didn't make that cut is Zinger.

What's more critical to the Knicks in terms of the Mavericks should not be Zinger but their floor spacing. With or without Zinger, the current Knicks need to desperately space the floor better if they want to win.

Is Tim Jr and Burke part of that 7?

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8/26/2020  11:34 AM
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8/26/2020  1:24 PM
Not saying it's this, but just reminded me- whatever happened to micro-fracture surgery? Seemed to be the death knell of many a career then suddenly no reports of anyone having it- What do medical teams do instead?
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8/26/2020  2:34 PM
smackeddog wrote:Not saying it's this, but just reminded me- whatever happened to micro-fracture surgery? Seemed to be the death knell of many a career then suddenly no reports of anyone having it- What do medical teams do instead?

RedWine baths, Plasma injections, Get Woke, Move to Israel, Take a year off and sign with Portland, Think Michael Porter Jr is the real deal, or go plant based diet.

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8/26/2020  3:14 PM
Nalod wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Not saying it's this, but just reminded me- whatever happened to micro-fracture surgery? Seemed to be the death knell of many a career then suddenly no reports of anyone having it- What do medical teams do instead?

RedWine baths, Plasma injections, Get Woke, Move to Israel, Take a year off and sign with Portland, Think Michael Porter Jr is the real deal, or go plant based diet.

Ha, found a more accurate article (but you weren’t actually far off!)- Its been replaced by something called OAT surgery, though even that only has a 50% success rate. Chandler Parsons apparently would have qualified for micro fracture surgery. didn’t realize how bad STAT had it after the first micro fracture surgery:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bulls/ct-spt-nba-microfracture-surgery-amare-stoudemire-20180706-story.html

A 2018 study found that the failure rate of microfracture surgery was 66 percent, compared with 51 percent in patients that had OAT surgery — a procedure in which cartilage is transplanted from a cadaver or another joint in the body. The study defined failure as scoring less than 65 on the Lysholm scale, which measures a patient’s pain, instability, locking, swelling, limp, stair climbing and squatting. This was one of the first studies to compare the two procedures.

The study also noted that time to failure was just four years in microfracture surgery patients as opposed to 8.4 years in OAT patients. Put simply, patients reported aggravating systems much more quickly after microfracture surgeries compared with other options.

“The problem is, initial results were good, but when you start to carry those results out further, the results deteriorated,” Douoguih said. “The player might be able to play at the one-year or two-year mark, but then at the four-year or five-year mark, things went downhill. And you took a closer look and found that yeah, those players were able to play — they were on the court — but maybe their numbers weren’t quite what they were before. And there were some cases where the player didn’t get back to play.”
When Stoudemire had microfracture surgery before the 2005-06 NBA season, he was one of the brightest young stars in the NBA. He had averaged 26 points per game (fifth in scoring league-wide) and 30 points per game in the playoffs. Eight days before the surgery, he had signed a $73 million contract extension with the Suns.

According to the news release that went out after the surgery, Stoudemire had been experiencing knee pain for almost two months before the surgery. Thomas Carter, the Suns’ team doctor, had seen the defect in Stoudemire’s left knee on a MRI scan and initially instructed him to rest and undergo pre- and post-play treatment. The pain became more acute during training camp, so the 2003 Rookie of the Year sought the opinion of multiple doctors before opting to have arthroscopic surgery — a procedure in which the surgeon inserts a small camera into the joint to assess the damage. Carter found a one-centimeter defect in the joint and performed microfracture surgery to repair it.

Initially, the Suns thought it would take Stoudemire four months to return. Five months after the surgery, he scored 20 points in 19 minutes against the Trail Blazers but struggled the next two games. Then, after he missed the subsequent four games, Stoudemire decided to have another arthroscopic surgery, which sidelined him for two additional months.

He played just three games that season.

“It took me a year to recover and bounce back,” Stoudemire said, shaking his head. “I followed everything the training staff asked me to do. It wasn’t easy to come back. I was 23 years old and I was contemplating retirement. It was just excruciating. I’d have an amazing day in practice and the next day I could barely walk.”

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8/26/2020  4:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/26/2020  4:03 PM

KPs damage report by Kevin O’Connor is literally me since I started running recently

KP is a beast

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