BigDaddyG wrote:Nalod wrote:CrushAlot wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:fishmike wrote:knicks1248 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:knicks1248 wrote:If Frank was in this yrs draft, there's no damn way he would get picked before Trae or collen.Most 2017 re-drafts have him in the mid to late 20's.
I look forward to the eventual back tracking. "Frank was my guy the whole time, I just didn't like the way Jeff was developing him".
As said last yrs draft. Scoring guards come along every draft. There is no immediate rush to acquire one due to the constant supply offered to the NBA. Young offers some uniqueness that makes him intriguing to look at and analyze. To see if he can provide game changing abilities. But guys like Frank offer unique abilities that you aren't going to find every yr.
Frank as a pure prospect can potentially do more on a basketball court than either of them. Would like to land a big like Carter who provides similar uniqueness and flexibility &/or a wing that can provide similar multi positional defending and versatile offense with premium lotto pick. Because that's the substance that will take to win in this league today.
"Scoring guard". So easy to find. So easy that we had to start Jarett Jack.
I dont believe you want to see anyone supplant Frank as a PG. You talk about turnovers, Frank was a turnover machine, and some of the most amateurish TOs a pro can make.
Talk about scoring being overrated. Nothing to do with little or no scoring from Frank? I know wait 4-5 years.
Yet we could have drafted Smith or Mitchell last year. Could have traded for Blesdoe or Kemba. Did sign Trey Burke. That is all based on just one offseason. The availability is there, Knicks just chose not to pull the trigger. But its not like there are NO AVAILABLE resources and as soon as one becomes available we need to jump on him as we won't see another one come along for years.
I don't even know if I view Frank as a pure PG like Martin does. So the notion that I don't want anyone to supplant Frank isn't accurate. They all play for the Knicks at the end of the day regardless. I wouldn't mind at all for another 2-way PG to be in the fold. I mean I was pushing for Knicks to show interest in Khryie Thomas wondering if he can translate into a PG or if SGA is a good enough lead guard to pair with Frank and provide 2 guards with 7ft wingspans locking down the perimeter. The type of risky innovation needed to force the NBA to adapt to you and maybe win you a chip down the road as you caught them off guard. This would allow Frank to be used all over the place depending on need rather than locked into one position. Same reason why I wanted the Knicks to find a way to nab Frank AND Mitchell at the draft last yr. If Mudiay actually reached his potential given his physical makeup I would be ecstatic.
Again, if players like Smith and Mitchell were so plentiful, fans wouldnt still be crying about missing out on Curry. There are scoring guards out there not so plentiful that the Knicks can pick one up in the draft any time they want.
How many PGs have we drafted that have come close to fitting the bill over the last 15 years? Not that easy. Burke was a former top ten pick, who had to get out of his own way before becoming a more well rounded player.
I just dont buy passing up on a player because he doesnt have go-go gadget arms.
Young's skillset transcends his measurements. I hope Frank turns into an All star. Not so confident in that happening that I would pass on a PG who looks like a game changer.
Not to mention there's No way in hell phil would have drafted a AAU type PG. Base on his knowledge about frank, he looked at him as a good defender and spot up shooter who defers to his teammates, and that's exactly what he has shown. But ya'll want to now say he's more than that
more lies.... your talking to Phil now?
So phil didnt draft frank because he thought he would be a excellent fit to his system?
Fish stop playing yourself trying to prove me wrong, it's not a good look for you
So the Knicks let Phil draft a player for his system knowing they were going to fire him a week after the draft? Boy your detective work is always impressive.No they drafted him because the league is run by unstoppable PGs. So they drafted a guy who could stop them.
Ntilikina has only deferred to older veteran teammates. When he played with peers he was a scorer who took plenty of shots.
Does shooting 7-10 from 3pt in a championship game sound like deferring? Maybe ask Phil and come back to us with an answer?
I am not trying to prove you wrong. That happens with time (usually 15-20 minutes). I am challenging you. Do better.
NOthing the Knicks did at that time made any sense. They also had just given Phil a 2 yr extension for 24 mil a month and a half before he was fired. Phil was exploring trading KP because he missed his exit meeting. Phil fell alseep during a pre-draft workout and ended up drafting the kid that didn't workout for nba teams. I definitely think Frank was drafted with the triangle in mind. I also am not sure that he will end up being a point guard. He may play that role sometimes but Perry brought in two more young guys and had Frank off the ball by the end of the season. I think Frank ends up playing 1-3 but performs best next to a dominant, aggressive ball handler. He is young and that could change. His workout tapes look good and maybe he becomes more aggressive over the summer. His age, transitioning to a new country/league, excellent character and work ethic etc. are all things that need to be considered when projecting his future. But I am not sure that it is at point guard. Aside from the Melo trade, Perry brought in four players, Troy Williams and three point guards. Two of those guys are former lottery picks and still young. I think management maybe looking at Frank in a different role from point guard.
Phil exercised his right to the last two years of his contract. It was not an extension. The money was his unless he retired.
Whats this nonsense about "Picked as a triangle player" like he is usless otherwise? Is at guy that can the skills to succeed a bad thing? Was Jordan and Kobe usless as non triangle players if need be? Does frank have to go to some Detriangle reclamation education center as he might not be a PG?
Were Kobe or Jordan PG's? They were basketball players. Frank for all the labels thrown at him for not being "AAU", or "Submissive" is what he is, a physically developing teen still growing who has shown some very good potential that few of us can really see but some can speculate on. Others see him for what he is and perhaps fathom some improvment but not much. Proof? Find an article or a Shump to pivot as proof.
Most of us are just rooting for him, but others are flat out Franco Phobic on this kid for some reason. Kid was taken on potential. Glad we drafted him. Phuch Malik Monk or DSjr!
Exactly. Phil is a coach at heart. He probably thinks any player with half a clue can be coached to play the triangle lol Was KP a triangle pick? Do you think he would've wasted his time with Melo if he didn't think he could learn the triangle? I'll say it again: Frank had the best two-way potential in the draft. That's why he was picked.
Phil's thoughts about any player being able to be taught the triangle might be why the Knicks rated at the bottom for roster continuity during his tenure. Things might have been different if he was the coach but he wasn't. The guy with 11 rings was a coach. The guy that went through 4 coaches in three years, was at the bottom of the league for roster continuity, mastered the accidental tank, gave out historically bad contracts, took pennies on the dollar in trades, took a dysfunctional franchise and made it more dysfunctional, and managed a team that won 80 games in three years was an executive trying to have his coaches run his system.
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