nyknickzingis wrote:Rose is such a good scoring guard once gets a few drives past the 3 point line. The problem is that's all he does. He doesn't defend. He doesn't pass on a regular basis. He has talent for sure. I do agree that with a better coach and team he probably looks better. He comes from the Thibs coaching style of play where the coach is constantly talking to you about defense. Constantly on you. That's not Hornachek at all. Rose would thrive in lower scoring, more physical style of play. I think he does not fit very well in more modern NBA styles of play, he would fit in teams that play more of an old school style of play such as Memphis.

We're going to give Horny another year for sure. Just how it is. So I can't see Rose and Hornachek be a good fit.

If I'm the Knicks I get the best return possible for Rose by deadline, and pull it off. Every asset we get back doesn't mean it's a longterm asset. We could do something again in the summer trade wise, and those assets could be moved again. Just because Rubio (or Jackson) would be in play now, doesn't mean you have them forever. You can give them 27 games to see what they look like with Willy, KP and in Hornachek's system. Then make a decision.

Totally agree.

Now..... we wait

EnySpree wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:As per Rotoworld
Tom Thibodeau is reportedly making a push to strike a deal for Derrick Rose.
Thibs reported infatuation with Rose is a bit strange, but it does sound like a three-way trade between New York, Minnesota and Detroit involving Rose, Ricky Rubio and Reggie Jackson is brewing. This is a situation we'll be monitoring closely as the deadline approaches.

If Pistons and Jackson are involved, and Thibbs wants Rose, wouldn't that mean Jackson would be coming here?

I guess. That would suck unless #1 pick involved

Reggie Jackson is the best player in this trade... as is the trade is even. If the Knicks get a 1st round pick on top of getting the best player in the deal, some one is smoking Crack.

Reggie Jackson used to be good last season but this season he has been awful chemistry wise (team mates fed up of his selfish ways) and physically (not the same player since his knee tendinitis. He only cares about himself and being a big star, not so much about winning. I'd hate to end up with him

That sounds like Rose to me. He's awful Chemistry wise (Kristaps can't get on the sane page with him) he's not the same physically having been hurt for a bunch of reasons this year. He wants to maintain his brand, getting his points, getting the glory not passing the ball.

Anyway, point guards get traded all the time B.... Chris Paul got traded to the Clippers. That doesn't mean he sucks. Jason Kidd got traded a bunch of times in his career. I can go on. It's all about fit.

KP doesn't roll...He sets horrible picks..KP doesn't create easy passing lanes to receive the ball..You see it all the time with him and Melo..Melo hits Willy in the lane all the time because he rolls and creates passing lanes...But what I think is interesting that you guys blame everyone else but KP learning the game...

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:As per Rotoworld
Tom Thibodeau is reportedly making a push to strike a deal for Derrick Rose.
Thibs reported infatuation with Rose is a bit strange, but it does sound like a three-way trade between New York, Minnesota and Detroit involving Rose, Ricky Rubio and Reggie Jackson is brewing. This is a situation we'll be monitoring closely as the deadline approaches.

If Pistons and Jackson are involved, and Thibbs wants Rose, wouldn't that mean Jackson would be coming here?

I guess. That would suck unless #1 pick involved

Reggie Jackson is the best player in this trade... as is the trade is even. If the Knicks get a 1st round pick on top of getting the best player in the deal, some one is smoking Crack.

Reggie Jackson used to be good last season but this season he has been awful chemistry wise (team mates fed up of his selfish ways) and physically (not the same player since his knee tendinitis. He only cares about himself and being a big star, not so much about winning. I'd hate to end up with him

That sounds like Rose to me. He's awful Chemistry wise (Kristaps can't get on the sane page with him) he's not the same physically having been hurt for a bunch of reasons this year. He wants to maintain his brand, getting his points, getting the glory not passing the ball.

Anyway, point guards get traded all the time B.... Chris Paul got traded to the Clippers. That doesn't mean he sucks. Jason Kidd got traded a bunch of times in his career. I can go on. It's all about fit.

KP doesn't roll...He sets horrible picks..KP doesn't create easy passing lanes to receive the ball..You see it all the time with him and Melo..Melo hits Willy in the lane all the time because he rolls and creates passing lanes...But what I think is interesting that you guys blame everyone else but KP learning the game...

equally interesting how a poster writes:

He's awful Chemistry wise (Kristaps can't get on the sane page with him)

And you come away with

blame everyone else but KP learning the game

He's learning the game just fine from his hero Melo. Hold the ball, pound it some and jack up a shot. Time to move on.

You have a point to make??

nyknickzingis wrote:Rose is such a good scoring guard once gets a few drives past the 3 point line. The problem is that's all he does. He doesn't defend. He doesn't pass on a regular basis. He has talent for sure. I do agree that with a better coach and team he probably looks better. He comes from the Thibs coaching style of play where the coach is constantly talking to you about defense. Constantly on you. That's not Hornachek at all. Rose would thrive in lower scoring, more physical style of play. I think he does not fit very well in more modern NBA styles of play, he would fit in teams that play more of an old school style of play such as Memphis.

We're going to give Horny another year for sure. Just how it is. So I can't see Rose and Hornachek be a good fit.

If I'm the Knicks I get the best return possible for Rose by deadline, and pull it off. Every asset we get back doesn't mean it's a longterm asset. We could do something again in the summer trade wise, and those assets could be moved again. Just because Rubio (or Jackson) would be in play now, doesn't mean you have them forever. You can give them 27 games to see what they look like with Willy, KP and in Hornachek's system. Then make a decision.

Good post. Issues with Rose are not new. Chicago knew it.

holfresh wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:As per Rotoworld
Tom Thibodeau is reportedly making a push to strike a deal for Derrick Rose.
Thibs reported infatuation with Rose is a bit strange, but it does sound like a three-way trade between New York, Minnesota and Detroit involving Rose, Ricky Rubio and Reggie Jackson is brewing. This is a situation we'll be monitoring closely as the deadline approaches.

If Pistons and Jackson are involved, and Thibbs wants Rose, wouldn't that mean Jackson would be coming here?

I guess. That would suck unless #1 pick involved

Reggie Jackson is the best player in this trade... as is the trade is even. If the Knicks get a 1st round pick on top of getting the best player in the deal, some one is smoking Crack.

Reggie Jackson used to be good last season but this season he has been awful chemistry wise (team mates fed up of his selfish ways) and physically (not the same player since his knee tendinitis. He only cares about himself and being a big star, not so much about winning. I'd hate to end up with him

That sounds like Rose to me. He's awful Chemistry wise (Kristaps can't get on the sane page with him) he's not the same physically having been hurt for a bunch of reasons this year. He wants to maintain his brand, getting his points, getting the glory not passing the ball.

Anyway, point guards get traded all the time B.... Chris Paul got traded to the Clippers. That doesn't mean he sucks. Jason Kidd got traded a bunch of times in his career. I can go on. It's all about fit.

KP doesn't roll...He sets horrible picks..KP doesn't create easy passing lanes to receive the ball..You see it all the time with him and Melo..Melo hits Willy in the lane all the time because he rolls and creates passing lanes...But what I think is interesting that you guys blame everyone else but KP learning the game...

equally interesting how a poster writes:

He's awful Chemistry wise (Kristaps can't get on the sane page with him)

And you come away with

blame everyone else but KP learning the game

He's learning the game just fine from his hero Melo. Hold the ball, pound it some and jack up a shot. Time to move on.

You have a point to make??

it should be obvious to everyone at this point what your ax to grind is..

Please engage beyond your one line cameos...What am I saying that you haven't seen???..What am I saying that isn't fact???

it's comical how he's always the first one to cry foul yet his rebuttals are the same damned thing

SupremeCommander wrote:I keep wavering on whether or not I'm in favor of this deal... I think I would make the trade as long as it's 1-for-1. I think Rubio's contract is going to look good moving forward a la Lopez. I like his defense. I like that he's pass-first. I don't know if Rubio is a triangle fit per say but I think he's a perfect fit for Horny. His d also would be welcomed here. I think he would be a fit. So with that said I guess I'm leaning towards adding his salary - but I'm not super pumped about it either

Rubio doesn't play with pace and he doesn't spread the floor. Jackson would be a better fit for Horny unless we are going to start playing triangle again.

Rubio pretty much dribles up the floor deliberately and dumps the ball off to his playmakers Towns, Wiggins, Lavine etc... He will be terible on a team that is slow and unathletic ala the Knicks.

Why not just start Jennings and play Baker. The result will be the same and Rose wouls expire without taking on the additional years of Rubio's contract

edit - even off of screens and p-n-r Rubio is not a threat to shoot. In fact, you probably want him to shoot since he is going to miss

crzymdups wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

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https://twitter.com/_Verts/status/834230328046809088

Whatever happened to not showing your cards?

Funny how there are zero leaks coming from the Knicks yet posts like this are given credibility. No one knows what the front office is doing so why jump to conclusions like this?

fwk00, just be honest - are you on Dolan's payroll?

Because he speaks the truth means he's on Dolan's payroll??

Rookie wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I keep wavering on whether or not I'm in favor of this deal... I think I would make the trade as long as it's 1-for-1. I think Rubio's contract is going to look good moving forward a la Lopez. I like his defense. I like that he's pass-first. I don't know if Rubio is a triangle fit per say but I think he's a perfect fit for Horny. His d also would be welcomed here. I think he would be a fit. So with that said I guess I'm leaning towards adding his salary - but I'm not super pumped about it either

Rubio doesn't play with pace and he doesn't spread the floor. Jackson would be a better fit for Horny unless we are going to start playing triangle again.

Rubio pretty much dribles up the floor deliberately and dumps the ball off to his playmakers Towns, Wiggins, Lavine etc... He will be terible on a team that is slow and unathletic ala the Knicks.

Why not just start Jennings and play Baker. The result will be the same and Rose wouls expire without taking on the additional years of Rubio's contract

edit - even off of screens and p-n-r Rubio is not a threat to shoot. In fact, you probably want him to shoot since he is going to miss

That dump it off part I think neglacts the fact that Ricky does always have an eye for open temmates... You move, you cut, you post... He will get you the ball... Thats TOTALLY different from what any guard does for us right now (closest being BJ)
Now guys like Lee, Holiday, Willy will benefit Greatly.

KP I hope they would figure it out but KP would have to get better on rolling and cutting!

I would als love to see him and BJ/Lee haunt opponent guards!
His shooting sucks for sure though.

All said and done as much as I loke Roses drviving and finishing his one dimensional play does not help the team!
Get the trade done!!!

I don't think there is any downside to trading Rose for Rubio. It's not even a risk in my book.

* Actually there is one downside, I think changing the point guard rotation from Rose/Jennings to Rubio/Jennings will ignite this team to play .500 level ball rest of the season and we finish with something like 36-37 wins which puts us out of the top 10 draft positioning. I am almost certain that with a point guard rotation like that KP, Melo, Willy, and this entire team play better. So more wins would hurt out draft position. With this current group we've lost 24 of our last 33 games (9-24). We won't likely win more than 6 games rest of the season. Which puts us firmly in the top 8-9 of the draft. A trade could actually rejuvinate the team, especially the point guard position.