NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Nalod wrote:Can't believe a thing until the deadline has come and gone.
A trade is a long shot.

Agreed. Melo not likely to e traded during the season.

I disagree. this is a prime year to move Melo to the cavs. they need to improve if they're going to seriously challenge GS, especially since they added KD. Lebron knows this and that's why he's going public

We'd have to strengthen their backcourt bench in the process. If we do, I'd see them making the deal with Love. The question now is what veteran PG is available that can play D and hit the open 3?

The cavs are not having trouble scoring, How does melo even fit into their offense. They will be in cap hell with, labron 30 mill, love 20 mill, melo 24 mill, Irving 18 mill, triston 20 mill..and a bunch of washed up role players..
Who wants 5 guys on roster taking over a 100 mill of the cap, and outside of labron, non if the rest are durable players.

I'm not sending Melo to CLE unless Kevin Love is included and re-routable to another team for picks. And if that's the case, Melo's salary supplants Love's, which makes your concern about their payroll moot.

And as much as the Cavs might not have trouble scoring in the regular season, the playoffs are a much different ball game especially with the Warriors waiting for them at the end of the tunnel. Also, Melo is more defensively versatile since Melo can guard some SFs. Love can't do that, which is a major concern because the Warriors are so perimeter heavy with Durant now. To that end, I think Melo is a better fit for this team and their current ambitions than Kevin Love.

Hmmmm. Love has actually defended the perimeter much better than Melo has this year. You can look at the NBA player tracking, which records how the man you're guarding shot while you're guarding him. Love has held 3 point shooters to 30.9% (Melo is 35.8%). For shots that are greater than 15 feet, it's a slight advantage for Love (35.4 vs. 36.1).
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201567/defense-dash/
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2546/defense-dash/

This season is a limited sample size though. I'm not trying to say that Melo is some defensive savant but I would say that history would suggest he's better at covering 3s than Kevin Love is.

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:It's amazing how much people are talking about getting value back. Even after 6.5 years of flat out mediocrity the Knicks fan base overvalued their "star". There's no interest from anyone but two already loaded teams only because they are loaded and we think they'll unload their talent for this ball stopping, no defense black hole because he is friends with their "stars".

Then you have people asking to hold on to him to get better value. Better value for a player who's market is limited to two teams where he will be a bench scorer. But it's not enough they are accepting his poisonous contract, no we need blood.

It would be sad if it wasn't funny.

Any combination of a protected pick and exirings is the most "value" we can hope for.

Name me guys who were Melo's teammates that remained starters in this league after leaving New York. Because the fact is that the overwhelming majority of guys we brought in to play with Melo were has-beens or never-was' that offered little value on the court. It takes a team to win and unfortunately, we've screwed every opportunity to appropriately build a TEAM around Melo. I'm not saying that Melo doesn't have his faults but to pin our failings exclusively on him is ridiculousm

The point isn't who's fault it was. The point is how the world outside Knicks fans perceive Melo. There's no demands for him, his game is in decline, his contact is bloated and of the two things maybe willing to take him on, won't give us anything of value. They don't have to.

Name me how many one dimensional bench scorers will make $25 million a year for the next two years. And you want value back. LOL.

HofstraBBall wrote:

reub wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

reub wrote:ESPN is saying that we’re trying to work the Cavs into the deal with the Clippers for Melo. I could see them taking Crawford off of our hands possibly for Felder or a pick. They’re looking for a “facilitator”.

Then we would end up with, say, Rivers (who is better than advertised and coming into his own), Brice Johnson, and one or two future picks plus Felder. I would also include Courtney Lee for Reddick if that’s what is required. This is a scenario that I could live with. This is a good trade.

No future picks. Rather wait until after the season and see what shakes loose pre-draft. Otherwise look to trade non-Melo assets.

Melo has his highest trade value between now and the trade deadline to a contending team. Not in the offseason.

Do you really think Rivers and Felder make us better than Melo for next two years? Would like it if it included a couple of draft picks. Although they wont be very high and can result in a couple of Jerian Grants. And we all know how well that turned out.

Why do you feel the need to get better? You don't get better anyway, by dealing a player like Anthony. The goal then should be to tank and develop young players in his absence to hopefully build a core around KP. No rush job needed.

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Nalod wrote:Can't believe a thing until the deadline has come and gone.
A trade is a long shot.

Agreed. Melo not likely to e traded during the season.

I disagree. this is a prime year to move Melo to the cavs. they need to improve if they're going to seriously challenge GS, especially since they added KD. Lebron knows this and that's why he's going public

We'd have to strengthen their backcourt bench in the process. If we do, I'd see them making the deal with Love. The question now is what veteran PG is available that can play D and hit the open 3?

The cavs are not having trouble scoring, How does melo even fit into their offense. They will be in cap hell with, labron 30 mill, love 20 mill, melo 24 mill, Irving 18 mill, triston 20 mill..and a bunch of washed up role players..
Who wants 5 guys on roster taking over a 100 mill of the cap, and outside of labron, non if the rest are durable players.

I'm not sending Melo to CLE unless Kevin Love is included and re-routable to another team for picks. And if that's the case, Melo's salary supplants Love's, which makes your concern about their payroll moot.

And as much as the Cavs might not have trouble scoring in the regular season, the playoffs are a much different ball game especially with the Warriors waiting for them at the end of the tunnel. Also, Melo is more defensively versatile since Melo can guard some SFs. Love can't do that, which is a major concern because the Warriors are so perimeter heavy with Durant now. To that end, I think Melo is a better fit for this team and their current ambitions than Kevin Love.

Hmmmm. Love has actually defended the perimeter much better than Melo has this year. You can look at the NBA player tracking, which records how the man you're guarding shot while you're guarding him. Love has held 3 point shooters to 30.9% (Melo is 35.8%). For shots that are greater than 15 feet, it's a slight advantage for Love (35.4 vs. 36.1).
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201567/defense-dash/
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2546/defense-dash/

This season is a limited sample size though. I'm not trying to say that Melo is some defensive savant but I would say that history would suggest he's better at covering 3s than Kevin Love is.

You can go back the past 4 years. The #s fluctuated a bit but Love was better than Melo guarding 3s in 3 of those 4 years and better at long 2s in 2 of the 4 years. It's not a clear cut difference. That said, with Lebron Melo would probably be on his best behavior and play defense more like last year. It would be a big gamble for Cleveland to give up the younger all-star for Melo if they think he's better than Love when he puts his mind to it but I'd understand the reasoning.

Just for clarity: when you refer to "3s", are you referring to 3-pointers or small-forwards? Because the Cavs hardly switch in an attempt to not have Love cover perimeter-oriented players. Unavoidable/forced switches are the only time that Love finds himself covering those types of players; again contributing to a limited sample size. When you juxtapose that to a guy whose primary job is to cover opposing smallforwards AND has been a league leader in minutes, I don't think that argument (if you mean traditional small-forwards), holds any water.

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:It's amazing how much people are talking about getting value back. Even after 6.5 years of flat out mediocrity the Knicks fan base overvalued their "star". There's no interest from anyone but two already loaded teams only because they are loaded and we think they'll unload their talent for this ball stopping, no defense black hole because he is friends with their "stars".

Then you have people asking to hold on to him to get better value. Better value for a player who's market is limited to two teams where he will be a bench scorer. But it's not enough they are accepting his poisonous contract, no we need blood.

It would be sad if it wasn't funny.

Any combination of a protected pick and exirings is the most "value" we can hope for.

Name me guys who were Melo's teammates that remained starters in this league after leaving New York. Because the fact is that the overwhelming majority of guys we brought in to play with Melo were has-beens or never-was' that offered little value on the court. It takes a team to win and unfortunately, we've screwed every opportunity to appropriately build a TEAM around Melo. I'm not saying that Melo doesn't have his faults but to pin our failings exclusively on him is ridiculousm

The point isn't who's fault it was. The point is how the world outside Knicks fans perceive Melo. There's no demands for him, his game is in decline, his contact is bloated and of the two things maybe willing to take him on, won't give us anything of value. They don't have to.

Name me how many one dimensional bench scorers will make $25 million a year for the next two years. And you want value back. LOL.

So I think you're right that demand for Melo isn't huge, but it's a bit of a distortion to says it's solely his "declining game" and contract. Other than Boston (who probably do not think he's a good fit for their roster), I would bet there are several teams who would love to add Melo. They just can't. Besides the Clippers and Cleveland, I would bet OKC, Memphis, Toronto and Charlotte would love to add Melo if it were only based on the current status of his game and his contract.

meloshouldgo wrote:His peers are not making the decisions. Teams will need to weigh what they gain by accepting his horrible contract, I don't think teams will be falling over themselves to pay 25 million a year for someone people want to play with. Great quality to have but no impact on market value.

Having said LeBron may have enough sway to get a decision, but I doubt it with the amount of money involved it would be fats to swallow for Cleveland.

I was only using the Banana Boat Crew as an example. Guys like Jeff Van Gundy and Mark Jackson were signing his praises just yesterday. Same thing with Jalen Rose and Chauncey Billups on Friday. The league is well aware of Melo's flaws and preface them everytime they speak of him BUT the overwhelming opinion amongst the NBA community is that the guy is "big-time" and helps you win ball games. There is a reason why teams like the Rockets, that are poineers for analytics, were willing to max Melo when he was a free agent and have shown interest in him in the past.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Welpee wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:It's amazing how much people are talking about getting value back. Even after 6.5 years of flat out mediocrity the Knicks fan base overvalued their "star". There's no interest from anyone but two already loaded teams only because they are loaded and we think they'll unload their talent for this ball stopping, no defense black hole because he is friends with their "stars".

Then you have people asking to hold on to him to get better value. Better value for a player who's market is limited to two teams where he will be a bench scorer. But it's not enough they are accepting his poisonous contract, no we need blood.

It would be sad if it wasn't funny.

Any combination of a protected pick and exirings is the most "value" we can hope for.

Name me guys who were Melo's teammates that remained starters in this league after leaving New York. Because the fact is that the overwhelming majority of guys we brought in to play with Melo were has-beens or never-was' that offered little value on the court. It takes a team to win and unfortunately, we've screwed every opportunity to appropriately build a TEAM around Melo. I'm not saying that Melo doesn't have his faults but to pin our failings exclusively on him is ridiculousm

The point isn't who's fault it was. The point is how the world outside Knicks fans perceive Melo. There's no demands for him, his game is in decline, his contact is bloated and of the two things maybe willing to take him on, won't give us anything of value. They don't have to.

Name me how many one dimensional bench scorers will make $25 million a year for the next two years. And you want value back. LOL.

I think its a bit more complex than how you're explaining it. At his age only title contending teams or teams who think they're one player away from contending would be interested in Melo. So that immediately eliminates well over half of the league. Then eliminate teams who may want Melo but do not have an abundance of assets to make a deal. Then throw in Melo's no trade clause.

So I think you're right that demand for Melo isn't huge, but it's a bit of a distortion to says it's solely his "declining game" and contract. Other than Boston (who probably do not think he's a good fit for their roster), I would bet there are several teams who would love to add Melo. They just can't. Besides the Clippers and Cleveland, I would bet OKC, Memphis, Toronto and Charlotte would love to add Melo if it were only based on the current status of his game and his contract.

There would absolutely be plenty of teams that would love to have Melo and i guarantee you plenty have already contacted the Knicks to see if Melo would have any interest in waiving his NTC to go there. No doubt in my mind about that. If Melo didn't have that NTC or if he'd give a bigger list of teams to Phil then our talk about this would be much different right now and we'd be much more happy about trading Melo cause we'd be knowing our return will help our rebuild.

I agree with this--has to be atleast 10 teams or more that would pay up for Melo. Just stop and think about it. Melo would be a difference maker for some of these teams at .500 who have a different make up than the Knicks. For the extra 10-15 mm Im surprised melo isnt more interested in looking at this?? Whatever money you make--unless your Bill Gates 10-15mm is a LOT of money to pass up.

Does melo make sense on the Clipps though? Does it make them better. He couldn't't really complement Amor'e so I'm not sure how he'd fit next to Griffin. Also it means he's stuck at SF, when most people think he's better at PF. I like the deal better for the Clips if they get Lee, but if they don't and they lose Redick, they're in trouble.

Smart ranks as the most efficient passer in the NBA out of the pick-and-roll per Synergy at 1.333 points per possession, followed by Deron Williams, Thomas, Tony Parker and LeBron James. He has made the third year leap many top point guards experience, going from learning how to get to the rim to learning how to feel out defenses and work laterally. It’s the same jump Rajon Rondo made in 2009, when he went from a good driver on kick-outs to a dagger-wielding hitman.

CrushAlot wrote:

Smart ranks as the most efficient passer in the NBA out of the pick-and-roll per Synergy at 1.333 points per possession, followed by Deron Williams, Thomas, Tony Parker and LeBron James. He has made the third year leap many top point guards experience, going from learning how to get to the rim to learning how to feel out defenses and work laterally. It’s the same jump Rajon Rondo made in 2009, when he went from a good driver on kick-outs to a dagger-wielding hitman.

http://www.celticsblog.com/2017/1/28/14423408/marcus-smart-the-slithering-cobra-assassin-boston-celtics-point-guard-passing-orlando-magic

Smart is a good player, but I hate his guts. Would have a hard time rooting for him.

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Smart ranks as the most efficient passer in the NBA out of the pick-and-roll per Synergy at 1.333 points per possession, followed by Deron Williams, Thomas, Tony Parker and LeBron James. He has made the third year leap many top point guards experience, going from learning how to get to the rim to learning how to feel out defenses and work laterally. It’s the same jump Rajon Rondo made in 2009, when he went from a good driver on kick-outs to a dagger-wielding hitman.

http://www.celticsblog.com/2017/1/28/14423408/marcus-smart-the-slithering-cobra-assassin-boston-celtics-point-guard-passing-orlando-magic

Smart is a good player, but I hate his guts. Would have a hard time rooting for him.

I feel the same way about him. After he did that shyt in college with the fan when he tried saying the fan was yelling racial slurs at him which ended up not being true i hated from there on.