misterearl wrote:Is America Falling Apart or Finally Waking Up?

“It’s not enough to acknowledge problems of police violence; Americans—and white Americans in particular—have to agree to end it, which means jettisoning views that equate crime with blackness.”

- Jamelle Bouie, Slate

White America will be soon thing of the past.
It will be Asian-Latino America. Whites will be a minority and blacks small minority.
So be ready to fight another "bad" majority who will be absolutely oblivious about black&white issues.

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

arkrud wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dk7th wrote:1) the nra needs to be demolished and gun shows heavily proctored where all invitees are thoroughly checked.
2) the second amendment needs to be re-written to ban semi-automatic weapons from both citizenry and the regular police forces. possessors of any such weapons should be tried for treason and put in jail for lengthy prison terms. **** "originalism."
3) marijuana needs to be legalized and heavily regulated and taxed
4) the very wealthiest should be taxed heavily and the majority of funds should be diverted to pre-k through grammar school programs for inner city minorities
5) teachers in inner city pre-k through grammar school programs should be amply rewarded to the degree they are trained and vetted for this work
6) police forces must be representative of the communities they are meant to serve, and if a demographic changes rapidly, such as in ferguson, then the policemen need to be relocated to other communities or furloughed by some federal oversight. this is similar to members of the army and their families.
7) every citizen between the ages of 18-24 must serve in the military for two years in a defensive capacity, defending our borders and ports.

that would be a good start.

Not bad proposals. I'd also want to expand no.5 to include the creation of teaching assistants for the classroom. I think it is simply unreasonable in this day and age to expect teachers to handle classrooms of 20 or more students without some assistance in helping keep the room orderly. We're able to spend $500,000 or your standard conventional bomb....we should be able to pay for programs like this.

And if funding does become a problem, I'd like to see Estate Taxes increased exponentially. I feel no one person should be inheriting more than $5 million worth of net assets under any circumstance. The last thing this society needs are more Donald Trumps of the world that clearly are not worthy of being a leader of anything simply by birth-right. You want to be a part of the ruling class, earn it and prove your utility to the whole.

those are pie in the sky proposals that indicate little understanding of how the gov work.

Also we are not a socialist state. This proposal to take away rich peoples money, keep it from their children and "make them earn it" is un-American. Tim Duncan has two kids. So if he and his wife die in a car crash his kids should only get $5mm each and the rest of the $100mm of his estate should go to inner city educational funds? Lets the gov decide what to do with it? Is that it?

Read about the NRA lobby, the size of its membership and its power in Washington, and why it exists in the first place. Dumping the NRA is as good a suggestion as "we should all just stop fighting and love each other." Good sentiments, no basis in reality.

Im not trying to throw water on your discussion or ideas, simply suggest that some things can be accomplished and others cannot, at least as the game is currently constructed. Might want to focus on what can be accomplished.

Start with decriminalizing all drugs. I think it was mentioned someone in the thread but those stiff laws go back the to Nixon administration where heroin (blacks) and marijuana (anti gov hippies) were used to all the gov to control groups it viewed as a threat. Now those laws just are avenues to continue the criminalization of poor minorities, the incarceration of the men/fathers of those communities, and rendering those lives as "don't matter."

Tough issues with generations of laws of lousy thinking to cut through

If those are pie-in-the-sky ideas, why does it seem that every industrialized country has managed to put these or similar measures into practice? Israel (and Turkey, I believe) has mandatory military-service laws. Weed is legal in Amsterdam(the Netherlands). France has very tight gun control laws and no viable opposition to them. So why can't we make in-roads to doing the same in this country?

And what founding document of our country articulates how our economy is suppose to function? And does it define an aggressive Estate Tax as explicitly "un-American"? If so, how or why? And if it's against socialist policies, how have Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and the like been deemed Constitutional?

As for what I'd spend the increased revenue on, it'd basically look like the Bernie Sanders playbook: massive infrastructure investments, public (and inexpensive) healthcare for all, massive re-investment in public universities, etc.

Be careful at what you wish for...
Look at Russia, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, etc.
How socialism worked out for them? Not very cool.

and Brazil. I always get a kick out of Americans wanting socialism. What ends up happening is you relinquish your freedom and give the complete control to blatantly you as citizens. I know because my cousin is one of the ones impeached and indited on charges from Brazil's latest corruption scandals. I've seen how radical far left politicians are capable of ripping off a entire country and reap the benefits first hand

One of these days real soon after the next 2000 unarmed black people have been shot to death for the crime of being black one of you geniuses will realize we are already living in a society where non white people have already relinquished all their freedom. Including the freedom to walk on the street. Till then let's reiterate the same tired BS about socialist countries and pat ourselves on the back for being enlightened. It's working or great so far.

Not sure what are talking about.
Just walked the streets of Brooklyn.
Sow all kind colors of people walking freely and showing no fear of each other or police or anything.
Where is the dangerous place you are living? South Sudan? Nigeria? Livia? Syria? Afghanistan? Somalia? East Ukraine?

You are not sure what I am talking about? Are you now denying innocent black people are being shot in the streets or do you only accept that people can feel threatened if they are undergoing holocaust level mass genocide? Are you being intentionally blase or are you really this thick?

1000 black people shot by police in year... a couple of them innocent. This is wrong.
Tens of thousand black people shut by gungs, mostly black gungs. This is wrong too.
But is not comparable with what happening in many countries of the world now, not talking about genocides of the past.
Every live matter and we should try to prevent any innocent death, especially by hands of low enforcement.
But this will still happened here and there anyways.
I do not understand why a couple of cases make majority of people in 500 million country racists and all society evil.

Ok, so maybe you can put a number on how many innocent lives need to be wasted by racist zealots before you acknowledge their racism. To me the first one, is one too many. But that's just me.

meloshouldgo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

arkrud wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dk7th wrote:1) the nra needs to be demolished and gun shows heavily proctored where all invitees are thoroughly checked.
2) the second amendment needs to be re-written to ban semi-automatic weapons from both citizenry and the regular police forces. possessors of any such weapons should be tried for treason and put in jail for lengthy prison terms. **** "originalism."
3) marijuana needs to be legalized and heavily regulated and taxed
4) the very wealthiest should be taxed heavily and the majority of funds should be diverted to pre-k through grammar school programs for inner city minorities
5) teachers in inner city pre-k through grammar school programs should be amply rewarded to the degree they are trained and vetted for this work
6) police forces must be representative of the communities they are meant to serve, and if a demographic changes rapidly, such as in ferguson, then the policemen need to be relocated to other communities or furloughed by some federal oversight. this is similar to members of the army and their families.
7) every citizen between the ages of 18-24 must serve in the military for two years in a defensive capacity, defending our borders and ports.

that would be a good start.

Not bad proposals. I'd also want to expand no.5 to include the creation of teaching assistants for the classroom. I think it is simply unreasonable in this day and age to expect teachers to handle classrooms of 20 or more students without some assistance in helping keep the room orderly. We're able to spend $500,000 or your standard conventional bomb....we should be able to pay for programs like this.

And if funding does become a problem, I'd like to see Estate Taxes increased exponentially. I feel no one person should be inheriting more than $5 million worth of net assets under any circumstance. The last thing this society needs are more Donald Trumps of the world that clearly are not worthy of being a leader of anything simply by birth-right. You want to be a part of the ruling class, earn it and prove your utility to the whole.

those are pie in the sky proposals that indicate little understanding of how the gov work.

Also we are not a socialist state. This proposal to take away rich peoples money, keep it from their children and "make them earn it" is un-American. Tim Duncan has two kids. So if he and his wife die in a car crash his kids should only get $5mm each and the rest of the $100mm of his estate should go to inner city educational funds? Lets the gov decide what to do with it? Is that it?

Read about the NRA lobby, the size of its membership and its power in Washington, and why it exists in the first place. Dumping the NRA is as good a suggestion as "we should all just stop fighting and love each other." Good sentiments, no basis in reality.

Im not trying to throw water on your discussion or ideas, simply suggest that some things can be accomplished and others cannot, at least as the game is currently constructed. Might want to focus on what can be accomplished.

Start with decriminalizing all drugs. I think it was mentioned someone in the thread but those stiff laws go back the to Nixon administration where heroin (blacks) and marijuana (anti gov hippies) were used to all the gov to control groups it viewed as a threat. Now those laws just are avenues to continue the criminalization of poor minorities, the incarceration of the men/fathers of those communities, and rendering those lives as "don't matter."

Tough issues with generations of laws of lousy thinking to cut through

If those are pie-in-the-sky ideas, why does it seem that every industrialized country has managed to put these or similar measures into practice? Israel (and Turkey, I believe) has mandatory military-service laws. Weed is legal in Amsterdam(the Netherlands). France has very tight gun control laws and no viable opposition to them. So why can't we make in-roads to doing the same in this country?

And what founding document of our country articulates how our economy is suppose to function? And does it define an aggressive Estate Tax as explicitly "un-American"? If so, how or why? And if it's against socialist policies, how have Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and the like been deemed Constitutional?

As for what I'd spend the increased revenue on, it'd basically look like the Bernie Sanders playbook: massive infrastructure investments, public (and inexpensive) healthcare for all, massive re-investment in public universities, etc.

Be careful at what you wish for...
Look at Russia, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, etc.
How socialism worked out for them? Not very cool.

and Brazil. I always get a kick out of Americans wanting socialism. What ends up happening is you relinquish your freedom and give the complete control to blatantly you as citizens. I know because my cousin is one of the ones impeached and indited on charges from Brazil's latest corruption scandals. I've seen how radical far left politicians are capable of ripping off a entire country and reap the benefits first hand

One of these days real soon after the next 2000 unarmed black people have been shot to death for the crime of being black one of you geniuses will realize we are already living in a society where non white people have already relinquished all their freedom. Including the freedom to walk on the street. Till then let's reiterate the same tired BS about socialist countries and pat ourselves on the back for being enlightened. It's working or great so far.

Not sure what are talking about.
Just walked the streets of Brooklyn.
Sow all kind colors of people walking freely and showing no fear of each other or police or anything.
Where is the dangerous place you are living? South Sudan? Nigeria? Livia? Syria? Afghanistan? Somalia? East Ukraine?

You are not sure what I am talking about? Are you now denying innocent black people are being shot in the streets or do you only accept that people can feel threatened if they are undergoing holocaust level mass genocide? Are you being intentionally blase or are you really this thick?

1000 black people shot by police in year... a couple of them innocent. This is wrong.
Tens of thousand black people shut by gungs, mostly black gungs. This is wrong too.
But is not comparable with what happening in many countries of the world now, not talking about genocides of the past.
Every live matter and we should try to prevent any innocent death, especially by hands of low enforcement.
But this will still happened here and there anyways.
I do not understand why a couple of cases make majority of people in 500 million country racists and all society evil.

Ok, so maybe you can put a number on how many innocent lives need to be wasted by racist zealots before you acknowledge their racism. To me the first one, is one too many. But that's just me.

Every innocent life lost is a tragedy.
I do not know how to save everyone and how to make all racist white and black to drop their hate.
And nobody knows.
But I believe that this things are not a reason to call everyone who is the same color with the killer a racist by association.
This is even worst racism that the killing itself.

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

arkrud wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dk7th wrote:1) the nra needs to be demolished and gun shows heavily proctored where all invitees are thoroughly checked.
2) the second amendment needs to be re-written to ban semi-automatic weapons from both citizenry and the regular police forces. possessors of any such weapons should be tried for treason and put in jail for lengthy prison terms. **** "originalism."
3) marijuana needs to be legalized and heavily regulated and taxed
4) the very wealthiest should be taxed heavily and the majority of funds should be diverted to pre-k through grammar school programs for inner city minorities
5) teachers in inner city pre-k through grammar school programs should be amply rewarded to the degree they are trained and vetted for this work
6) police forces must be representative of the communities they are meant to serve, and if a demographic changes rapidly, such as in ferguson, then the policemen need to be relocated to other communities or furloughed by some federal oversight. this is similar to members of the army and their families.
7) every citizen between the ages of 18-24 must serve in the military for two years in a defensive capacity, defending our borders and ports.

that would be a good start.

Not bad proposals. I'd also want to expand no.5 to include the creation of teaching assistants for the classroom. I think it is simply unreasonable in this day and age to expect teachers to handle classrooms of 20 or more students without some assistance in helping keep the room orderly. We're able to spend $500,000 or your standard conventional bomb....we should be able to pay for programs like this.

And if funding does become a problem, I'd like to see Estate Taxes increased exponentially. I feel no one person should be inheriting more than $5 million worth of net assets under any circumstance. The last thing this society needs are more Donald Trumps of the world that clearly are not worthy of being a leader of anything simply by birth-right. You want to be a part of the ruling class, earn it and prove your utility to the whole.

those are pie in the sky proposals that indicate little understanding of how the gov work.

Also we are not a socialist state. This proposal to take away rich peoples money, keep it from their children and "make them earn it" is un-American. Tim Duncan has two kids. So if he and his wife die in a car crash his kids should only get $5mm each and the rest of the $100mm of his estate should go to inner city educational funds? Lets the gov decide what to do with it? Is that it?

Read about the NRA lobby, the size of its membership and its power in Washington, and why it exists in the first place. Dumping the NRA is as good a suggestion as "we should all just stop fighting and love each other." Good sentiments, no basis in reality.

Im not trying to throw water on your discussion or ideas, simply suggest that some things can be accomplished and others cannot, at least as the game is currently constructed. Might want to focus on what can be accomplished.

Start with decriminalizing all drugs. I think it was mentioned someone in the thread but those stiff laws go back the to Nixon administration where heroin (blacks) and marijuana (anti gov hippies) were used to all the gov to control groups it viewed as a threat. Now those laws just are avenues to continue the criminalization of poor minorities, the incarceration of the men/fathers of those communities, and rendering those lives as "don't matter."

Tough issues with generations of laws of lousy thinking to cut through

If those are pie-in-the-sky ideas, why does it seem that every industrialized country has managed to put these or similar measures into practice? Israel (and Turkey, I believe) has mandatory military-service laws. Weed is legal in Amsterdam(the Netherlands). France has very tight gun control laws and no viable opposition to them. So why can't we make in-roads to doing the same in this country?

And what founding document of our country articulates how our economy is suppose to function? And does it define an aggressive Estate Tax as explicitly "un-American"? If so, how or why? And if it's against socialist policies, how have Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and the like been deemed Constitutional?

As for what I'd spend the increased revenue on, it'd basically look like the Bernie Sanders playbook: massive infrastructure investments, public (and inexpensive) healthcare for all, massive re-investment in public universities, etc.

Be careful at what you wish for...
Look at Russia, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, etc.
How socialism worked out for them? Not very cool.

and Brazil. I always get a kick out of Americans wanting socialism. What ends up happening is you relinquish your freedom and give the complete control to blatantly you as citizens. I know because my cousin is one of the ones impeached and indited on charges from Brazil's latest corruption scandals. I've seen how radical far left politicians are capable of ripping off a entire country and reap the benefits first hand

One of these days real soon after the next 2000 unarmed black people have been shot to death for the crime of being black one of you geniuses will realize we are already living in a society where non white people have already relinquished all their freedom. Including the freedom to walk on the street. Till then let's reiterate the same tired BS about socialist countries and pat ourselves on the back for being enlightened. It's working or great so far.

Not sure what are talking about.
Just walked the streets of Brooklyn.
Sow all kind colors of people walking freely and showing no fear of each other or police or anything.
Where is the dangerous place you are living? South Sudan? Nigeria? Livia? Syria? Afghanistan? Somalia? East Ukraine?

You are not sure what I am talking about? Are you now denying innocent black people are being shot in the streets or do you only accept that people can feel threatened if they are undergoing holocaust level mass genocide? Are you being intentionally blase or are you really this thick?

1000 black people shot by police in year... a couple of them innocent. This is wrong.
Tens of thousand black people shut by gungs, mostly black gungs. This is wrong too.
But is not comparable with what happening in many countries of the world now, not talking about genocides of the past.
Every live matter and we should try to prevent any innocent death, especially by hands of low enforcement.
But this will still happened here and there anyways.
I do not understand why a couple of cases make majority of people in 500 million country racists and all society evil.

Ok, so maybe you can put a number on how many innocent lives need to be wasted by racist zealots before you acknowledge their racism. To me the first one, is one too many. But that's just me.

Every innocent life lost is a tragedy.
I do not know how to save everyone and how to make all racist white and black to drop their hate.
And nobody knows.
But I believe that this things are not a reason to call everyone who is the same color with the killer a racist by association.
This is even worst racism that the killing itself.

Dude, I can't even believe I am reading this. Firstly no one haS said all white people are racist.
Secondly did you just say calling someone racist is a worse crime than killing 1000s of people every year? I think I am done talking to you.

meloshouldgo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

arkrud wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

dk7th wrote:1) the nra needs to be demolished and gun shows heavily proctored where all invitees are thoroughly checked.
2) the second amendment needs to be re-written to ban semi-automatic weapons from both citizenry and the regular police forces. possessors of any such weapons should be tried for treason and put in jail for lengthy prison terms. **** "originalism."
3) marijuana needs to be legalized and heavily regulated and taxed
4) the very wealthiest should be taxed heavily and the majority of funds should be diverted to pre-k through grammar school programs for inner city minorities
5) teachers in inner city pre-k through grammar school programs should be amply rewarded to the degree they are trained and vetted for this work
6) police forces must be representative of the communities they are meant to serve, and if a demographic changes rapidly, such as in ferguson, then the policemen need to be relocated to other communities or furloughed by some federal oversight. this is similar to members of the army and their families.
7) every citizen between the ages of 18-24 must serve in the military for two years in a defensive capacity, defending our borders and ports.

that would be a good start.

Not bad proposals. I'd also want to expand no.5 to include the creation of teaching assistants for the classroom. I think it is simply unreasonable in this day and age to expect teachers to handle classrooms of 20 or more students without some assistance in helping keep the room orderly. We're able to spend $500,000 or your standard conventional bomb....we should be able to pay for programs like this.

And if funding does become a problem, I'd like to see Estate Taxes increased exponentially. I feel no one person should be inheriting more than $5 million worth of net assets under any circumstance. The last thing this society needs are more Donald Trumps of the world that clearly are not worthy of being a leader of anything simply by birth-right. You want to be a part of the ruling class, earn it and prove your utility to the whole.

those are pie in the sky proposals that indicate little understanding of how the gov work.

Also we are not a socialist state. This proposal to take away rich peoples money, keep it from their children and "make them earn it" is un-American. Tim Duncan has two kids. So if he and his wife die in a car crash his kids should only get $5mm each and the rest of the $100mm of his estate should go to inner city educational funds? Lets the gov decide what to do with it? Is that it?

Read about the NRA lobby, the size of its membership and its power in Washington, and why it exists in the first place. Dumping the NRA is as good a suggestion as "we should all just stop fighting and love each other." Good sentiments, no basis in reality.

Im not trying to throw water on your discussion or ideas, simply suggest that some things can be accomplished and others cannot, at least as the game is currently constructed. Might want to focus on what can be accomplished.

Start with decriminalizing all drugs. I think it was mentioned someone in the thread but those stiff laws go back the to Nixon administration where heroin (blacks) and marijuana (anti gov hippies) were used to all the gov to control groups it viewed as a threat. Now those laws just are avenues to continue the criminalization of poor minorities, the incarceration of the men/fathers of those communities, and rendering those lives as "don't matter."

Tough issues with generations of laws of lousy thinking to cut through

If those are pie-in-the-sky ideas, why does it seem that every industrialized country has managed to put these or similar measures into practice? Israel (and Turkey, I believe) has mandatory military-service laws. Weed is legal in Amsterdam(the Netherlands). France has very tight gun control laws and no viable opposition to them. So why can't we make in-roads to doing the same in this country?

And what founding document of our country articulates how our economy is suppose to function? And does it define an aggressive Estate Tax as explicitly "un-American"? If so, how or why? And if it's against socialist policies, how have Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and the like been deemed Constitutional?

As for what I'd spend the increased revenue on, it'd basically look like the Bernie Sanders playbook: massive infrastructure investments, public (and inexpensive) healthcare for all, massive re-investment in public universities, etc.

Be careful at what you wish for...
Look at Russia, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, etc.
How socialism worked out for them? Not very cool.

and Brazil. I always get a kick out of Americans wanting socialism. What ends up happening is you relinquish your freedom and give the complete control to blatantly you as citizens. I know because my cousin is one of the ones impeached and indited on charges from Brazil's latest corruption scandals. I've seen how radical far left politicians are capable of ripping off a entire country and reap the benefits first hand

One of these days real soon after the next 2000 unarmed black people have been shot to death for the crime of being black one of you geniuses will realize we are already living in a society where non white people have already relinquished all their freedom. Including the freedom to walk on the street. Till then let's reiterate the same tired BS about socialist countries and pat ourselves on the back for being enlightened. It's working or great so far.

Not sure what are talking about.
Just walked the streets of Brooklyn.
Sow all kind colors of people walking freely and showing no fear of each other or police or anything.
Where is the dangerous place you are living? South Sudan? Nigeria? Livia? Syria? Afghanistan? Somalia? East Ukraine?

You are not sure what I am talking about? Are you now denying innocent black people are being shot in the streets or do you only accept that people can feel threatened if they are undergoing holocaust level mass genocide? Are you being intentionally blase or are you really this thick?

1000 black people shot by police in year... a couple of them innocent. This is wrong.
Tens of thousand black people shut by gungs, mostly black gungs. This is wrong too.
But is not comparable with what happening in many countries of the world now, not talking about genocides of the past.
Every live matter and we should try to prevent any innocent death, especially by hands of low enforcement.
But this will still happened here and there anyways.
I do not understand why a couple of cases make majority of people in 500 million country racists and all society evil.

Ok, so maybe you can put a number on how many innocent lives need to be wasted by racist zealots before you acknowledge their racism. To me the first one, is one too many. But that's just me.

Every innocent life lost is a tragedy.
I do not know how to save everyone and how to make all racist white and black to drop their hate.
And nobody knows.
But I believe that this things are not a reason to call everyone who is the same color with the killer a racist by association.
This is even worst racism that the killing itself.

Dude, I can't even believe I am reading this. Firstly no one haS said all white people are racist.
Secondly did you just say calling someone racist is a worse crime than killing 1000s of people every year? I think I am done talking to you.

Calling someone racist is not a crime. I don't think I said anything like this.
You imply that all this 1000 black people killed by policemen just because all policemen involved were racist and all they want was kill some black people.
Most of this 1000 were real dangerous criminals with guns and such and get killed to save other people or in self defense.
Some of them were the crimes commuted by policemen and so they should be taken care accordingly.
I know it is emotional but not the end of the world.

arkrud wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

arkrud wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

arkrud wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Uptown wrote:The Blacks Lives Matters movement began when George Zimmerman killed and unarmed black teen named Trayvon Martin, and Zimmerman was not held accountable for the crime he committed. Since Martin's death in 2012, hundreds of unarmed black men and women were killed by police officers and most of them were not held accountable. When we say Black Lives Matter, we are talking about the ways in which Black people are deprived of our basic human rights and dignity, the injustices and the lack of accountability.

The laws, the constitution, the system was not created and written with black people in mind.....

I was always under impression constitution was created for all people.
I do not see any color or race specified anywhere. Do you?

Really? You are kidding, right?

Slaves were not considered full citizens...could not vote.

At one point the Supreme Court branded slaves as property.

Women, except for some short-lived moments, could not vote.

The Constitution had to be amended to give both groups full rights...we needed a Civil Rights movement to improve upon the amendments... and there are still issues.

Also seem to recall a war that might have been partially caused by how the Constitution did not protect blacks

A fine document, with many flaws that have needed to be fixed over time.

Do we still have slaves? Hmmm... I was under impression this is illegal.
And women I guess have full rights... even more rights that man in some areas like family.
It should be no lows which provides for any different treatment based on race/gender/sexual orientation/religion/national descent/political affiliation. That it. If this is not implemented in specific law the law must be change.

YOU used the word "created." It was not created to give ALL people rights, even if it gave lip service to that idea.

I know what you are getting at...you are looking at some kind of romanticized view of the Constitution...but that was not the reality of the times.

Sorry, but you are totally in error, here- there was no intent to give everyone equal rights in the original document.

The intend of people who created the Constitutions is irrelevant.
The constitution itself is.
Show me the place in it and amendments which are of your specific concern and which promote or enforce inequality of races.
I am 20 years in US and do not have any preexisting bias.
I just read the document and amendments and see no issues whatsoever.
I also cannot see any issues of this kind in any lows we have in this country.
Contrary I see some lows which design to provide additional rights to assist minorities who were historically at disadvantage.
I have no problem with this also.
Some laws are not enforced as we all want but this is another issue and this should be a focus not blind nihilism.

I am in favor of equal rights for all...just pointing out the historical inaccuracy on your part.

The Constitution and laws you admire today were not the same when the original Constitution was ratified. You have to understand this or you are missing a major aspect of this nation's evolution.

Equality has been gained through effort, sweat, and blood. The Constitution, unfortunately, as well as the "law," does not always hand you equality, and there are forces today who are working to weaken certain voters who they fear.

The Black Lives Matter movement, whether or not you believe in its cause, is simply the latest version of the Civil Rights Movement. Hopefully changes will be made because of it. It is part of the political and social evolution of the nation.

Look around and see the attempts to make it more difficult for people to vote, or Supreme Court decisions which empower corporations to have more power over the democratic process. Look at the fact that women STILL do not make the same money as men for similar work. If you don't see what is happening you end up being part of the problem.

A strong belief in something that is untrue does not make it true. Sorry.

Strong disbelief in something that not perfect but works does not make it false. Sorry.

The truth is always in the middle.
US is one of the most progressive, safe, and free country in the world for a reason.
We do have issues but we can freely debate it at every level.

Another major issue that keeps Brazil from reaching its full potential.

There is virtually no respect for law. Laws aren't enforced and when they are you just buy yourself out of trouble.

This is why our current events really irk me. Not everyone understands how lucky we are. These kids we are breeding don't know any better. They clearly don't understand the ramifications of socialism and hands off policing.

This goes for all socialist countries in South America

arkrud wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:They buy into the sunshine and rainbows, free stuff for everyone. This is what Brazil did roughly a decade ago. Free stuff for everyone.
Now look. Crippling infrastructure, no hospitals, schools or medicine. Lack of buses, sanitation workers and equipment. Less cops and firefighters. Crime at a record high.

This goes for all socialist countries in South America

This what I am talking about.
Same thing every fr..n time and people still get hooked on it.
Its like gambling and no number to call for help.

yea really basic stuff we take for granted here

Not sure which is worse

gunsnewing wrote:Socialism and Communism

Not sure which is worse

One is just advanced version of another.
Soviet Union was building Communism all along but only Cambodia and North Korea succeed.
One is almost self-distract and another slowly descending to stone age and Chengiz Khan like rule.