nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:For those who are not aware, point guards like Westbrook, Curry, Paul and Lowry will be unrestricted free agents in 2017 and we will have 60 million dollars of cap space after this deal (and we only gave up Rolo and Grant). Winning!

We had plenty of cap space for LeBron in 2010. How did that work out for us? Just because we have cap space doesnt necessarily mean that we will attract the best FAs.

Beats missing the playoffs 3 straight years with no pick and limited cap space!

Right because first round exit will do wonders for us when we do actually have a pick

It will help attack top free agents and we will actually have ample cap space to offer. VS hoping for megastars to sign take less money just to try to make he playoffs with Lopez and an aging Melo.

What's It to like?

Bottomless cap space, lottery pick or both

Phil has made a deal that really has no major downside. Rose balls out and we win, GREAT! Rose falters and we move on, GREAT! Cap space in a great FA market and our picks as well. There's really no way to lose. Also it's possible that FA's will be much more impressed with coming to the Knicks with Rose, KP and Melo on board. It starts to look like a monster team if you add a top FA to this group. I think it's a good move.

We just got rid of about $22 million with Rolo, Calderon and Grant and brought in about the same amount with Rose and J.Holiday so we now have our PG for next season at least and still have $30+ million to spend.

We can now sign Pau Gasol or A.Horford or D.Howard and still have money for a SG and there's our starting 5.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

shinmen wrote:Pleaaase Nooooo! I Hate this trade.

The knicks lost a promising rookie and will miss terribly Lopez. He was the best screen setter of the team, he blocked on rebounds, provided good defense and proved he could score a bit.
He helped KP a lot.

At best, Rose will break down in January and we will be a lottery team with a pick.
At worst, he'll be healthy, command a max and break down the day after. Amare all over again.

We got bamboozled AGAIN.

No one got bamboozeled! As was explained earlier, this is a move with High Reward and low Risk. If things implode, Rose comes off the books and we have our pick next year as well. So we would have plenty of cap space in a great Free Agent class. There isn't much downside for the Knicks.

The big thing is that Hornacek is having a MASSIVE impact on the construction of this team. If anyone was wondering how Phil would work with his coach, this pretty much tells you he's gonna give him all the support he can to make Hornacek's vision come true. Doesn't seem like Phil has resisted what Horny is looking to do.

yeah i agree, this all about what JH wants, and he want a up and own pace, and some you forget, but when we started out the season running and gunning, and winning, Loepz was on the bench in the 4th quarter

That too!

gunsnewing wrote:Let me remind everyone that Grant was a late 1st round pick. You'd think he was a lottery pick with the way everyone is crying about losing him. What PG picked post-lottery became a significant player other than Rondo who was the ultimate diamond in the rough?

To many to count (Boston Isiaah Thomas) Grant season performance put him in the top 10 rookies in the 2015 draft class

nixluva wrote:

shinmen wrote:Pleaaase Nooooo! I Hate this trade.

The knicks lost a promising rookie and will miss terribly Lopez. He was the best screen setter of the team, he blocked on rebounds, provided good defense and proved he could score a bit.
He helped KP a lot.

At best, Rose will break down in January and we will be a lottery team with a pick.
At worst, he'll be healthy, command a max and break down the day after. Amare all over again.

We got bamboozled AGAIN.

No one got bamboozeled! As was explained earlier, this is a move with High Reward and low Risk. If things implode, Rose comes off the books and we have our pick next year as well. So we would have plenty of cap space in a great Free Agent class. There isn't much downside for the Knicks.

The big thing is that Hornacek is having a MASSIVE impact on the construction of this team. If anyone was wondering how Phil would work with his coach, this pretty much tells you he's gonna give him all the support he can to make Hornacek's vision come true. Doesn't seem like Phil has resisted what Horny is looking to do.

Face the truth once in ur life .. we just made another backward move keeping us as a 32 win or less team next season, while helping the Butler Chicago Bulls make the playoff next season without ball-hogger Rose.
Noah n Gasol may want to resign now that the so-called franchise player is gone.

Kemet wrote:

nixluva wrote:

shinmen wrote:Pleaaase Nooooo! I Hate this trade.

The knicks lost a promising rookie and will miss terribly Lopez. He was the best screen setter of the team, he blocked on rebounds, provided good defense and proved he could score a bit.
He helped KP a lot.

At best, Rose will break down in January and we will be a lottery team with a pick.
At worst, he'll be healthy, command a max and break down the day after. Amare all over again.

We got bamboozled AGAIN.

No one got bamboozeled! As was explained earlier, this is a move with High Reward and low Risk. If things implode, Rose comes off the books and we have our pick next year as well. So we would have plenty of cap space in a great Free Agent class. There isn't much downside for the Knicks.

The big thing is that Hornacek is having a MASSIVE impact on the construction of this team. If anyone was wondering how Phil would work with his coach, this pretty much tells you he's gonna give him all the support he can to make Hornacek's vision come true. Doesn't seem like Phil has resisted what Horny is looking to do.

Face the truth once in ur life .. we just made another backward move keeping us as a 32 win or less team next season, while helping the Butler Chicago Bulls make the playoff next season without ball-hogger Rose.
Noah n Gasol may want to resign now that the so-called franchise player is gone.

nixluva wrote:

shinmen wrote:Pleaaase Nooooo! I Hate this trade.

The knicks lost a promising rookie and will miss terribly Lopez. He was the best screen setter of the team, he blocked on rebounds, provided good defense and proved he could score a bit.
He helped KP a lot.

At best, Rose will break down in January and we will be a lottery team with a pick.
At worst, he'll be healthy, command a max and break down the day after. Amare all over again.

We got bamboozled AGAIN.

No one got bamboozeled! As was explained earlier, this is a move with High Reward and low Risk. If things implode, Rose comes off the books and we have our pick next year as well. So we would have plenty of cap space in a great Free Agent class. There isn't much downside for the Knicks.

The big thing is that Hornacek is having a MASSIVE impact on the construction of this team. If anyone was wondering how Phil would work with his coach, this pretty much tells you he's gonna give him all the support he can to make Hornacek's vision come true. Doesn't seem like Phil has resisted what Horny is looking to do.

the bigger issue is what this move does to melo's no-trade. the message is clear: no way the knicks get any closer to being a contender next season, which is now essentially a throw-away season. the message, once again, is "we are building a team for life beyond melo as the centerpiece." melo will not take this move well.

also, rose plays ZERO defense and will not co-exist with melo by any stretch, let alone poor kp6, who won't see the ball as much as he should... or needs to.

rose is a salary dump but by that point melo will be very very long in the tooth.

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:For those who are not aware, point guards like Westbrook, Curry, Paul and Lowry will be unrestricted free agents in 2017 and we will have 60 million dollars of cap space after this deal (and we only gave up Rolo and Grant). Winning!

We had plenty of cap space for LeBron in 2010. How did that work out for us? Just because we have cap space doesnt necessarily mean that we will attract the best FAs.

Beats missing the playoffs 3 straight years with no pick and limited cap space!

Right because first round exit will do wonders for us when we do actually have a pick

It will help attack top free agents and we will actually have ample cap space to offer. VS hoping for megastars to sign take less money just to try to make he playoffs with Lopez and an aging Melo.

What's It to like?

Bottomless cap space, lottery pick or both

Phil has made a deal that really has no major downside. Rose balls out and we win, GREAT! Rose falters and we move on, GREAT! Cap space in a great FA market and our picks as well. There's really no way to lose. Also it's possible that FA's will be much more impressed with coming to the Knicks with Rose, KP and Melo on board. It starts to look like a monster team if you add a top FA to this group. I think it's a good move.

this is my thinking too. ANd if ROse balls out we're in the best position. We will know more about him as a player, health, and I believe we could offer him more money if he plays crazy good, right?

This is clearly a HERE YOU CAN HAVE HIM TRADE.

Mean while, JH is licking his chops, this guy had 3 pG's flourish in his system, Dragic, Isiah, and Bledsoe.

This may not be the trade to put us over the top, but i don't think Grant was high on phils list, his IQ was a little low, and basically the knicks want to make the playoffs and have better options next off season.

Lopez was great in a slow down losing system, he played good, but he was the only trade chip we had.

Again, this can turn out to be another sorry ass calderon for tyson type trade..

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The knicks won this deal, the bulls knew it was either jimmy or rose, those 2 were looking super suspect together all season long (they didnt even high five each other on good plays) the chemistry was nothing short of oil and water. He's 21 mill of the books, and he's playing in a contract yr..

This is clearly a HERE YOU CAN HAVE HIM TRADE.

Mean while, JH is licking his chops, this guy had 3 pG's flourish in his system, Dragic, Isiah, and Bledsoe.

This may not be the trade to put us over the top, but i don't think Grant was high on phils list, his IQ was a little low, and basically the knicks want to make the playoffs and have better options next off season.

Lopez was great in a slow down losing system, he played good, but he was the only trade chip we had.

Again, this can turn out to be another sorry ass calderon for tyson type trade..

tell me again what we lost out on in that deal one more time?

nixluva wrote:

Kemet wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Gudris wrote:I like this trade, all he have to do is a pass a ball to KP and we are in playoffs :)

its a better trade if we are guaranteed he will be healthy. The problem with Rose is that since 2012 he is probably the most injury prone

Time to bet on how many games Mr. injury-prone ball-hogger Derek Rose play next season?
By the way .. Porzingis is a BIGGER PROJECT than Hornachek could handle!
Grant is a young NBA player that can play two position, plus Grant is more athletic than Rose

Dude you are LOST!!! I read your posts and for the life of me I can't believe you press send on these things. WTF??? "Porzingis is a BIGGER PROJECT than Hornachek could handle!"??? What does this even mean? Why not do some research on Hornacek and how he had the Suns humming in his 1st year. How he used not only his guards but his bigs. The plan Horny has in mind seems to me to be just what the doctor ordered for KP!!!

Naw, I go further back when Hornacek were a Suns player, when the backcourt tandem Hornacek n Johnson beat the Lakers Magic Johnson in a series, then Suns traded Hornacek to 76ers for Barkley, plus Hornacek were coach Sloan missing piece to take Stocton/Malone to the FINALS ... Coach Hornacek doubled Dragic n Bledsoe worth plus the value worth of the rotation to only watch the Suns organization trade them for profit

nixluva wrote:

franco12 wrote:

VCoug wrote:Fucking terrible trade. How do you give up a good center on a GREAT contract and a decent young PG on his rookie deal for Rose? A guy who hasn't made a single positive contribution on the court since 2011?!?! If we were that desperate for cap space next summer we couldn't have found some team to trade Lopez to where'd we get actual assets back? Or, why didn't we just not sign him last year? What the **** are we doing? Is there any semblance of a plan?

had to stop reading this thread with your post - I agree 100000000%

Trading Rolo = a complete 360 on what we've worked on for the last 2 years. What guarantee do we have that Phil is going to get it right now?

I'm not sure I understand your thought process. The point is to make moves when you have something of value. RoLo played very well and so we used him to get Rose on a one year deal. Not only did we improve the balance of the team but there's no real long term risk involved. This move for Rose could also lead to signing another top FA this summer and putting together a really good team. Remember we still have the ability to make a big play in FA. This is just the beginning of the process!!!

I'm willing to bet we could have traded Rolo to Boston for a number 1 pick and nothing more. And kept Grant and gotten similar production from him that we'll get from Rose - and I'm factoring in we may only get 40 games if we're lucky from Rose, and Grant could likely go 70+.