nixluva wrote:

Papabear wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This is a piece of shot article?

What is the intent here? Just more drama to sell clicks and newspapers

Yeah cuz it's a bad thing having the greatest coach teach his players. SMH. This kind of thing can only help. I've never heard of a team doing this but I do remember Phil and Rambis doing seminars before. Perhaps this is allowed if it's not mandatory.

I thought you said the key was upgrading the backcourt?

What's the point of a two day seminar with mediocre guards?

Phil should be exploring ways to upgrade the roster. He's not the coach, he's the President. If he's gonna coach, he should coach.

He should be searching for a coach.

Instead he is running an ego workshop while the TWolves lock down Thibs. Wolves will have a better record than the Knicks next year.

If Phil's job is President of the team, I'm not sure I see how this helps anything. He's already settled on Rambis without having a single in person interview with another candidate.

This is kind of weird to me. You're assuming organizations can't do 2 things at 1 time. And if the greatest coach out there is teaching player and ball movement to KP, Grant, Wroten and anyone else that will show up.... that's not a good thing? It is, right?

The Knicks are not winning a championship within the next 2 years unless they sign LeBron or Westbrook next year. Continuity is probably the best thing for the young Knicks players in the mean time.

THE most important thing for the Knicks is growth of KP, Grant, Wroten (if he is physically able).

Papabear Says

Which one of those players are Kobe, Shaq, Jordan, Pipen? Phil Jackson can teach all he want to but without the star players the Triangle means nothing in New York. Kobe and Shaq would have won with out Phil Jackson and so would Jordan and Pipen.

Come on man! Don't do this to yourself. Phil played his part in helping those players win Titles. There's no refuting his impact.

In regards to our team, the idea is to develop our own stars. What do you think is the hope for KP? I have no idea what you were thinking with this post. Why are you putting down the team like this?

Papabear Says

Well excuse me but I just finished producing 2 albums so I was busy. Also I had taken ill and was in the hospital for a while. I almost died. God decided to keep me around and I am so thankful. Now back to the Knicks and Phil Jackson yes Phil played a part in winning those championships but Phils ego is so big he does not acknowledge that. We need an excellent coach. The best around. Phil is and was a great coach. That does not mean he is a great GM. Next season if Phil fails to have a good winning record when half of the season is over they will be chanting to get rid of him and his triangle.

Papabear wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Papabear wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:This is a piece of shot article?

What is the intent here? Just more drama to sell clicks and newspapers

Yeah cuz it's a bad thing having the greatest coach teach his players. SMH. This kind of thing can only help. I've never heard of a team doing this but I do remember Phil and Rambis doing seminars before. Perhaps this is allowed if it's not mandatory.

I thought you said the key was upgrading the backcourt?

What's the point of a two day seminar with mediocre guards?

Phil should be exploring ways to upgrade the roster. He's not the coach, he's the President. If he's gonna coach, he should coach.

He should be searching for a coach.

Instead he is running an ego workshop while the TWolves lock down Thibs. Wolves will have a better record than the Knicks next year.

If Phil's job is President of the team, I'm not sure I see how this helps anything. He's already settled on Rambis without having a single in person interview with another candidate.

This is kind of weird to me. You're assuming organizations can't do 2 things at 1 time. And if the greatest coach out there is teaching player and ball movement to KP, Grant, Wroten and anyone else that will show up.... that's not a good thing? It is, right?

The Knicks are not winning a championship within the next 2 years unless they sign LeBron or Westbrook next year. Continuity is probably the best thing for the young Knicks players in the mean time.

THE most important thing for the Knicks is growth of KP, Grant, Wroten (if he is physically able).

Papabear Says

Which one of those players are Kobe, Shaq, Jordan, Pipen? Phil Jackson can teach all he want to but without the star players the Triangle means nothing in New York. Kobe and Shaq would have won with out Phil Jackson and so would Jordan and Pipen.

Come on man! Don't do this to yourself. Phil played his part in helping those players win Titles. There's no refuting his impact.

In regards to our team, the idea is to develop our own stars. What do you think is the hope for KP? I have no idea what you were thinking with this post. Why are you putting down the team like this?

Papabear Says

We excuse me but I just finished producing 2 albums so I was busy. Also I had taken ill and was in the hospital for a while. I almost died. God decided to keep me around and I am so thankful. Now back to the Knicks and Phil Jackson yes Phil played a part in winning those championships but Phils ego is so big he does not acknowledge that. We need an excellent coach. The best around. Phil is and was a great coach. That does not mean he is a great GM. Next season if Phil fails to have a good winning record when half of the season is over they will be chanting to get rid of him and his triangle.

Papabear wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:Reports are that Phil's Triangle Seminar was well attended. Some saying even Melo came to check it out.

Phil Jackson gets nice turnout for postseason class, with even Carmelo Anthony showing up to better learn offense.
Phil Jackson scratched his coaching itch and indeed ran his well-attended triangle seminar Tuesday, taking the lead on teaching the lessons of his way-of-life offense, sources told the Daily News.

Even Carmelo Anthony, who has made public pleas to broaden the coaching search beyond triangle-inclined candidates, was at the practice facility, according to a source.

Interim coach Kurt Rambis, Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis were also believed to be among the group of triangle seminar attendees, with the latter still hampered by his strained shoulder but able to soak in the verbal Zen lessons. On Baggie Day last week, Porzingis, who was recently cleared to lift weights and has set an offseason goal of gaining about 15 pounds of muscle, pledged his allegiance to the triangle.

“If that’s the way it is, I’m going to keep studying the triangle, keep thinking of how I can help others in the triangle,” Porzingis said. “If that’s the system, we got to be able to play in it and play better than we did. Everybody just needs to believe in it first. That’s the thing we have to focus on.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/zen-work-phil-triangle-seminar-underway-knicks-article-1.2607935?utm_content=buffer214b0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+Twitter

Saw this... 11 rings ex coach in the front office takes hands on approach to inject some knowledge and expectations. Gives the youth some specific things to focus on and only in this retarded town is it spun in such negative fashion. Well... if you are a true NYer sometimes you just gotta say phuck this town. Not sure where I heard that but it fits.

I love that Phil is taking a more hands on approach. People still think this is a 3 year, Im bolting money grab? This guy wants to build a team.

This guys wants to prove his triangle first.

There is no doubt that Phil wants to use the Triangle. Everyone should have gotten that message from day 1, why didn't you?

Also, for me, the Triangle has succeeded more than any other system over the past 2 decades, so there isn't any more proof that needs to happen. He just wants to use it cause it's already proven.

Papabear Says

Thats right Martin Papabear is back. Really I never left 2 albums to produce. I was sick for a while and in the hospital. My thing is this, I've watched young players on other teams and they always seem one step ahead of ours. We need better players and it dosen't matter what system we use. We need to get better. Boston with all the picks they have will be a very good team next season. If we don't get better players or another super-star we will be in big trouble again.

we don't need you to explain your absence in multiple posts. it's great to hear your health is ok and your feeling better (seriously that's great news), but hopefully your visits here are more fruitful than they have been in the past.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Reports are that Phil's Triangle Seminar was well attended. Some saying even Melo came to check it out.

Phil Jackson gets nice turnout for postseason class, with even Carmelo Anthony showing up to better learn offense.
Phil Jackson scratched his coaching itch and indeed ran his well-attended triangle seminar Tuesday, taking the lead on teaching the lessons of his way-of-life offense, sources told the Daily News.

Even Carmelo Anthony, who has made public pleas to broaden the coaching search beyond triangle-inclined candidates, was at the practice facility, according to a source.

Interim coach Kurt Rambis, Robin Lopez and Kristaps Porzingis were also believed to be among the group of triangle seminar attendees, with the latter still hampered by his strained shoulder but able to soak in the verbal Zen lessons. On Baggie Day last week, Porzingis, who was recently cleared to lift weights and has set an offseason goal of gaining about 15 pounds of muscle, pledged his allegiance to the triangle.

“If that’s the way it is, I’m going to keep studying the triangle, keep thinking of how I can help others in the triangle,” Porzingis said. “If that’s the system, we got to be able to play in it and play better than we did. Everybody just needs to believe in it first. That’s the thing we have to focus on.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/zen-work-phil-triangle-seminar-underway-knicks-article-1.2607935?utm_content=buffer214b0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+Twitter

I thought you said all the Daily News did was print lies and no one should ever read it?

I tend to think they do a decent job, but you tend to quote them when they agree with your perception and call them trash when they write something you don't like.

Man what are you babbling about? I attacked ISOLA, not the entire newspaper. Also I very much dislike the unnecessary sarcasm and digs the media often takes but not the facts presented. Who ever has a problem with facts? Did you see the back page above?

they are picking on phil because he is an easy target and acting like an azzhole.

nixluva wrote:I'd be curious to see some footage from the Mini Camp. Hope someone puts some video up.

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https://twitter.com/LangGalloway10/status/722835070638288896

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'd be curious to see some footage from the Mini Camp. Hope someone puts some video up.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/LangGalloway10/status/722835070638288896

Interesting that Seraphin was there. Also, KOQ not in that picture.

fwk00 wrote:Aside from the Steve Mills connection, I can't think of a duller coaching choice than Blatt. When JR and Shump went to Clevelend, neither showed marked improvement and LeBron obviously had little tolerance for the guy. Hard to imagine Melo taking a shine to the guy.

Don't go by that Cleveland stuff. The man had a great reputation before going to Cleveland.

"David was hired to coach a developmental team and young players who would've wanted to please him," one team source said. "He ended up coaching a finished product where the players expected him to please them."

To complicate matters, the Cavs hired the runner-up for the job, Lue, to be Blatt's assistant. To keep him away from the Clippers, the Cavs gave him a record four-year, $6.5 million deal -- for an assistant. Gilbert would later call the coaching staff the best he had assembled in his time as owner.

Blatt endorsed the Lue move, which many in the league saw as an immediate undercutting of the head coach. Never before could anyone remember the runner-up for a job being hired as the lead assistant, and it was taken as an example of Blatt's NBA inexperience. Blatt also didn't understand that he would have to earn players' respect; it would not be instantly given.

"I've been a head coach for 22 years. People overlook that too easily and, I think, unfairly," Blatt said last season. "I am not now, nor have I have been for quite some time, a rookie coach."

I think Blatt would be good for the young players on this team. The fact remains that this team is going to get even younger. This would be a better landing spot than Cleveland turned out to be after Lebron came back. We have a lot of young players that will respect the head coach. Perhaps not Melo but most of the team are good young men and they'd listen to Blatt.

fwk00 wrote:Aside from the Steve Mills connection, I can't think of a duller coaching choice than Blatt. When JR and Shump went to Clevelend, neither showed marked improvement and LeBron obviously had little tolerance for the guy. Hard to imagine Melo taking a shine to the guy.

LOL double post, one hour delayed.

When JR and Shump were in NY, neither showed marked improvement, that's my take.

nixluva wrote:

fwk00 wrote:Aside from the Steve Mills connection, I can't think of a duller coaching choice than Blatt. When JR and Shump went to Clevelend, neither showed marked improvement and LeBron obviously had little tolerance for the guy. Hard to imagine Melo taking a shine to the guy.

Don't go by that Cleveland stuff. The man had a great reputation before going to Cleveland.

"David was hired to coach a developmental team and young players who would've wanted to please him," one team source said. "He ended up coaching a finished product where the players expected him to please them."

To complicate matters, the Cavs hired the runner-up for the job, Lue, to be Blatt's assistant. To keep him away from the Clippers, the Cavs gave him a record four-year, $6.5 million deal -- for an assistant. Gilbert would later call the coaching staff the best he had assembled in his time as owner.

Blatt endorsed the Lue move, which many in the league saw as an immediate undercutting of the head coach. Never before could anyone remember the runner-up for a job being hired as the lead assistant, and it was taken as an example of Blatt's NBA inexperience. Blatt also didn't understand that he would have to earn players' respect; it would not be instantly given.

"I've been a head coach for 22 years. People overlook that too easily and, I think, unfairly," Blatt said last season. "I am not now, nor have I have been for quite some time, a rookie coach."

I think Blatt would be good for the young players on this team. The fact remains that this team is going to get even younger. This would be a better landing spot than Cleveland turned out to be after Lebron came back. We have a lot of young players that will respect the head coach. Perhaps not Melo but most of the team are good young men and they'd listen to Blatt.

I prefer Rambis because there's no drama, no ego contention - the team can grow and mature. Blatt seemed to always have authority issues.

fwk00 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

fwk00 wrote:Aside from the Steve Mills connection, I can't think of a duller coaching choice than Blatt. When JR and Shump went to Clevelend, neither showed marked improvement and LeBron obviously had little tolerance for the guy. Hard to imagine Melo taking a shine to the guy.

Don't go by that Cleveland stuff. The man had a great reputation before going to Cleveland.

"David was hired to coach a developmental team and young players who would've wanted to please him," one team source said. "He ended up coaching a finished product where the players expected him to please them."

To complicate matters, the Cavs hired the runner-up for the job, Lue, to be Blatt's assistant. To keep him away from the Clippers, the Cavs gave him a record four-year, $6.5 million deal -- for an assistant. Gilbert would later call the coaching staff the best he had assembled in his time as owner.

Blatt endorsed the Lue move, which many in the league saw as an immediate undercutting of the head coach. Never before could anyone remember the runner-up for a job being hired as the lead assistant, and it was taken as an example of Blatt's NBA inexperience. Blatt also didn't understand that he would have to earn players' respect; it would not be instantly given.

"I've been a head coach for 22 years. People overlook that too easily and, I think, unfairly," Blatt said last season. "I am not now, nor have I have been for quite some time, a rookie coach."

I think Blatt would be good for the young players on this team. The fact remains that this team is going to get even younger. This would be a better landing spot than Cleveland turned out to be after Lebron came back. We have a lot of young players that will respect the head coach. Perhaps not Melo but most of the team are good young men and they'd listen to Blatt.

I prefer Rambis because there's no drama, no ego contention - the team can grow and mature. Blatt seemed to always have authority issues.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:So the Daily news panders to the lowest common denominator and ChuckBuck wonders What would guys do that don't even have HALF the rings Phil has.

I can assume that the Miami Herald and what ever San Antonio reads won't have it as back story. One reason why I like what phil is doing and sticking by his guns is that the knicks are trying to take the path less traveled. Those who have taken it as religion have reached glory. He is trying to teach it. Fish as much as he played in it could not teach it. Rambis might be the guy.

None of this past stuff matters but if you bring out "rambis is not a good coach", well as a head coach that is true. His other credentials are solid as any young top assistant in the NBA. Phil is a teacher, and if some of you would read his books you'll better understand that when the triangle works best is when the team itself sees it, feels it and adjusts in game. He would call time out and the players in many situations coach themselves. Thats buy in. Phil was not a yeller and a screamer, he was chill because most of the coaching is done in practice. Players need to instinctively get it. Losing is also part of the teaching. You can feel when its not working and when it is.

So instead of reacting to media pandering pick up a book and understand it. As long as the knicks are trying to take this path I am rooting for it and part of it is not being "hindsight Harry", you "That Guy"...................

Knicks are attempting to show unity towards working the off season and melo if he is to recruit must demonstrate he wants to be here. This mini camp is a good thing. Team is not in the playoffs, so why the hell not!

There's a saying that goes "It's not where you're from, it's where you're at". Could be Ella Fitzgerald or Rakim, depends on who you ask. You keep mentioning 11 rings, read the book, teacher, triangle philosophies, Zen, yada yada.

How many rings has Phil Jackson won this decade? By my count Pat the Rat and Coach Pop have more this decade than your idol. Do we have Phil Jackson the coach or do we have Phil Jackson the failed experiment of an executive at the helm of the New York Knicks?

Perspective, man. Phil hasn't done shyt since he left Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Odom, and Fisher-man back in LA-LA land. Past is the past, he's simply cashing Cablevision checks at this point, maybe keeping tabs on and refreshing Jim Buss LinkedIn status a few times a day.

You're right that Phil hasn't done shyt since he left Kobe but he hasn't tried to do shyt since that time because he wasn't even in the damn game....hahaha Geesh.