Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:^^^ Does the fake ID pretty much provide confirmation that he's been drinking?

Guy needs to be suspended and lose some $$. He has to see that his actions will have consequences.

Don't think he's missed any games, and since in one of the incidents he seems to refer to the importance of money, the loss of some of it might be the only way to get his attention.

When it rains it pours...

The fake ID proves he attempted to get into a 21+ bar/club. While the drinking part can be safely assumed, i doubt it can be proven definitively. I do however think he needs to be suspended for conduct detrimental to the team to set an example, but this is just another by-product of a very flawed rebuilding effort.

I love how you keep saying that his actions are in fact a flaw in the rebuilding effort. There have been many many tools like JR who have acted like dikheads with vets.

No that is not what i am saying. It's the other way around. I am looking at it from the Sixer's perspective. His actions are on him and his responsibility (or lack thereof). But Hinkie will run into these types of issues when building a team of kids with no support system in place. And since he values talent over character/injury concerns/overseas contracts etc, these are the types of things he must expect, which i am sure he did not. I don't blame the Sixers plan for Okafor's mistakes. I blame the Sixer's plan for not anticipating these types of issues in general.

It is believed the Sixers do have security personnel available, but the players must request the service. A Sixers spokesman could not be reached for comment on that point.
The overarching issue is about what kind of environment is being fostered, one of the executives said. As he noted, there have been previous questions about how the team has handled other, less serious matters involving its young stars and their development.
In Monday’s aforementioned Daily News story, Nerlens Noel was reportedly “heavily fined” for “repeated tardiness and other violations” while recovering from a knee injury during his rookie season. Joel Embiid, who has yet to play for the Sixers, was reportedly sent home from a road trip last year for “insubordination.” A recent story by the Cauldron also questioned Embiid’s dietary habits and claimed he delayed a second surgery on his foot because he was “determined to go to [Las] Vegas to party for the balance of the 10 days of summer league.” The story cited sources that said owner Joshua Harris had instructed Sam Hinkie and Brett Brown to keep Embiid away from Las Vegas, to no avail.
“It’s a bad look for [the Sixers],” one league executive said. “This is the big issue with their plan. You get a bunch of talented kids — OK, but they’re still kids. Where are the adults?”

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:^^^ Does the fake ID pretty much provide confirmation that he's been drinking?

Guy needs to be suspended and lose some $$. He has to see that his actions will have consequences.

Don't think he's missed any games, and since in one of the incidents he seems to refer to the importance of money, the loss of some of it might be the only way to get his attention.

When it rains it pours...

The fake ID proves he attempted to get into a 21+ bar/club. While the drinking part can be safely assumed, i doubt it can be proven definitively. I do however think he needs to be suspended for conduct detrimental to the team to set an example, but this is just another by-product of a very flawed rebuilding effort.

I love how you keep saying that his actions are in fact a flaw in the rebuilding effort. There have been many many tools like JR who have acted like dikheads with vets.

No that is not what i am saying. It's the other way around. I am looking at it from the Sixer's perspective. His actions are on him and his responsibility (or lack thereof). But Hinkie will run into these types of issues when building a team of kids with no support system in place. And since he values talent over character/injury concerns/overseas contracts etc, these are the types of things he must expect, which i am sure he did not. I don't blame the Sixers plan for Okafor's mistakes. I blame the Sixer's plan for not anticipating these types of issues in general.

has it been an issue with other players? Would KP have done this if he were drafted? Russell? Towns?

Hinkie lost out on KP who is a much much better player and person (at this point). That is on him.

I do think that Hinkie will have a different type of offseason this time.

Knixkik wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:^^^ Does the fake ID pretty much provide confirmation that he's been drinking?

Guy needs to be suspended and lose some $$. He has to see that his actions will have consequences.

Don't think he's missed any games, and since in one of the incidents he seems to refer to the importance of money, the loss of some of it might be the only way to get his attention.

When it rains it pours...

The fake ID proves he attempted to get into a 21+ bar/club. While the drinking part can be safely assumed, i doubt it can be proven definitively. I do however think he needs to be suspended for conduct detrimental to the team to set an example, but this is just another by-product of a very flawed rebuilding effort.

I love how you keep saying that his actions are in fact a flaw in the rebuilding effort. There have been many many tools like JR who have acted like dikheads with vets.

No that is not what i am saying. It's the other way around. I am looking at it from the Sixer's perspective. His actions are on him and his responsibility (or lack thereof). But Hinkie will run into these types of issues when building a team of kids with no support system in place. And since he values talent over character/injury concerns/overseas contracts etc, these are the types of things he must expect, which i am sure he did not. I don't blame the Sixers plan for Okafor's mistakes. I blame the Sixer's plan for not anticipating these types of issues in general.

has it been an issue with other players? Would KP have done this if he were drafted? Russell? Towns?

Hinkie lost out on KP who is a much much better player and person (at this point). That is on him.

I do think that Hinkie will have a different type of offseason this time.

Apparently it has been an issue with Embiid and Noel. Saric is still in Europe. I haven't heard anything about his second rounders and d leaguers that are on the squad. Covington and McConnel seem like high character guys. I love Grant.

Hinkie has made it very clear he could care less about injury and character concern as long as he is drafting the best talent available.

Since character can't be quantified, so the plan is not working out so far.

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:^^^ Does the fake ID pretty much provide confirmation that he's been drinking?

Guy needs to be suspended and lose some $$. He has to see that his actions will have consequences.

Don't think he's missed any games, and since in one of the incidents he seems to refer to the importance of money, the loss of some of it might be the only way to get his attention.

When it rains it pours...

The fake ID proves he attempted to get into a 21+ bar/club. While the drinking part can be safely assumed, i doubt it can be proven definitively. I do however think he needs to be suspended for conduct detrimental to the team to set an example, but this is just another by-product of a very flawed rebuilding effort.

I love how you keep saying that his actions are in fact a flaw in the rebuilding effort. There have been many many tools like JR who have acted like dikheads with vets.

No that is not what i am saying. It's the other way around. I am looking at it from the Sixer's perspective. His actions are on him and his responsibility (or lack thereof). But Hinkie will run into these types of issues when building a team of kids with no support system in place. And since he values talent over character/injury concerns/overseas contracts etc, these are the types of things he must expect, which i am sure he did not. I don't blame the Sixers plan for Okafor's mistakes. I blame the Sixer's plan for not anticipating these types of issues in general.

has it been an issue with other players? Would KP have done this if he were drafted? Russell? Towns?

Hinkie lost out on KP who is a much much better player and person (at this point). That is on him.

I do think that Hinkie will have a different type of offseason this time.

Apparently it has been an issue with Embiid and Noel. Saric is still in Europe. I haven't heard anything about his second rounders and d leaguers that are on the squad. Covington and McConnel seem like high character guys. I love Grant.

Hinkie has made it very clear he could care less about injury and character concern as long as he is drafting the best talent available.

he did? Can you provide a link or article where he says this? Or are you basing this on who he has drafted?

He won't directly say something like that but Embiid and Noels, both players who dropped in the draft due to injury concerns, and Saric, a player who dropped due to when he is coming over to the US, tells the whole story. But each player is a steal at the spot they were drafted strictly from a talent standpoint. But each player carries their share of concerns. Add Okafor's sudden character issues, and they don't have one player as part of their potential core that doesn't carry some major risk.

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:^^^ Does the fake ID pretty much provide confirmation that he's been drinking?

Guy needs to be suspended and lose some $$. He has to see that his actions will have consequences.

Don't think he's missed any games, and since in one of the incidents he seems to refer to the importance of money, the loss of some of it might be the only way to get his attention.

When it rains it pours...

The fake ID proves he attempted to get into a 21+ bar/club. While the drinking part can be safely assumed, i doubt it can be proven definitively. I do however think he needs to be suspended for conduct detrimental to the team to set an example, but this is just another by-product of a very flawed rebuilding effort.

I love how you keep saying that his actions are in fact a flaw in the rebuilding effort. There have been many many tools like JR who have acted like dikheads with vets.

No that is not what i am saying. It's the other way around. I am looking at it from the Sixer's perspective. His actions are on him and his responsibility (or lack thereof). But Hinkie will run into these types of issues when building a team of kids with no support system in place. And since he values talent over character/injury concerns/overseas contracts etc, these are the types of things he must expect, which i am sure he did not. I don't blame the Sixers plan for Okafor's mistakes. I blame the Sixer's plan for not anticipating these types of issues in general.

has it been an issue with other players? Would KP have done this if he were drafted? Russell? Towns?

Hinkie lost out on KP who is a much much better player and person (at this point). That is on him.

I do think that Hinkie will have a different type of offseason this time.

Apparently it has been an issue with Embiid and Noel. Saric is still in Europe. I haven't heard anything about his second rounders and d leaguers that are on the squad. Covington and McConnel seem like high character guys. I love Grant.

Hinkie has made it very clear he could care less about injury and character concern as long as he is drafting the best talent available.

he did? Can you provide a link or article where he says this? Or are you basing this on who he has drafted?

He won't directly say something like that but Embiid and Noels, both players who dropped in the draft due to injury concerns, and Saric, a player who dropped due to when he is coming over to the US, tells the whole story. But each player is a steal at the spot they were drafted strictly from a talent standpoint. But each player carries their share of concerns. Add Okafor's sudden character issues, and they don't have one player as part of their potential core that doesn't carry some major risk.

I can't believe that he knew about Ok4. Don't think it was out there.

As far as the other risks, they are calculated. He believes that if you take chances many times you will hit big.

I personally do not like his drafts.

I agree, nothing was likely known about Okafor. I just think its interesting that he was the one player Hinkie drafted without known risk, and character flaw suddenly come out.

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:^^^ Does the fake ID pretty much provide confirmation that he's been drinking?

Guy needs to be suspended and lose some $$. He has to see that his actions will have consequences.

Don't think he's missed any games, and since in one of the incidents he seems to refer to the importance of money, the loss of some of it might be the only way to get his attention.

When it rains it pours...

The fake ID proves he attempted to get into a 21+ bar/club. While the drinking part can be safely assumed, i doubt it can be proven definitively. I do however think he needs to be suspended for conduct detrimental to the team to set an example, but this is just another by-product of a very flawed rebuilding effort.

I love how you keep saying that his actions are in fact a flaw in the rebuilding effort. There have been many many tools like JR who have acted like dikheads with vets.

No that is not what i am saying. It's the other way around. I am looking at it from the Sixer's perspective. His actions are on him and his responsibility (or lack thereof). But Hinkie will run into these types of issues when building a team of kids with no support system in place. And since he values talent over character/injury concerns/overseas contracts etc, these are the types of things he must expect, which i am sure he did not. I don't blame the Sixers plan for Okafor's mistakes. I blame the Sixer's plan for not anticipating these types of issues in general.

has it been an issue with other players? Would KP have done this if he were drafted? Russell? Towns?

Hinkie lost out on KP who is a much much better player and person (at this point). That is on him.

I do think that Hinkie will have a different type of offseason this time.

Apparently it has been an issue with Embiid and Noel. Saric is still in Europe. I haven't heard anything about his second rounders and d leaguers that are on the squad. Covington and McConnel seem like high character guys. I love Grant.

Hinkie has made it very clear he could care less about injury and character concern as long as he is drafting the best talent available.

he did? Can you provide a link or article where he says this? Or are you basing this on who he has drafted?

He won't directly say something like that but Embiid and Noels, both players who dropped in the draft due to injury concerns, and Saric, a player who dropped due to when he is coming over to the US, tells the whole story. But each player is a steal at the spot they were drafted strictly from a talent standpoint. But each player carries their share of concerns. Add Okafor's sudden character issues, and they don't have one player as part of their potential core that doesn't carry some major risk.

I can't believe that he knew about Ok4. Don't think it was out there.

As far as the other risks, they are calculated. He believes that if you take chances many times you will hit big.

I personally do not like his drafts.

I agree, nothing was likely known about Okafor. I just think its interesting that he was the one player Hinkie drafted without known risk, and character flaw suddenly come out.

I think that Hinkie wanted KP over Ok4 but caved because he knew that the fans would have stoned him to death. I am actually sure of it

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:^^^ Does the fake ID pretty much provide confirmation that he's been drinking?

Guy needs to be suspended and lose some $$. He has to see that his actions will have consequences.

Don't think he's missed any games, and since in one of the incidents he seems to refer to the importance of money, the loss of some of it might be the only way to get his attention.

When it rains it pours...

The fake ID proves he attempted to get into a 21+ bar/club. While the drinking part can be safely assumed, i doubt it can be proven definitively. I do however think he needs to be suspended for conduct detrimental to the team to set an example, but this is just another by-product of a very flawed rebuilding effort.

I love how you keep saying that his actions are in fact a flaw in the rebuilding effort. There have been many many tools like JR who have acted like dikheads with vets.

No that is not what i am saying. It's the other way around. I am looking at it from the Sixer's perspective. His actions are on him and his responsibility (or lack thereof). But Hinkie will run into these types of issues when building a team of kids with no support system in place. And since he values talent over character/injury concerns/overseas contracts etc, these are the types of things he must expect, which i am sure he did not. I don't blame the Sixers plan for Okafor's mistakes. I blame the Sixer's plan for not anticipating these types of issues in general.

has it been an issue with other players? Would KP have done this if he were drafted? Russell? Towns?

Hinkie lost out on KP who is a much much better player and person (at this point). That is on him.

I do think that Hinkie will have a different type of offseason this time.

Apparently it has been an issue with Embiid and Noel. Saric is still in Europe. I haven't heard anything about his second rounders and d leaguers that are on the squad. Covington and McConnel seem like high character guys. I love Grant.

Hinkie has made it very clear he could care less about injury and character concern as long as he is drafting the best talent available.

he did? Can you provide a link or article where he says this? Or are you basing this on who he has drafted?

He won't directly say something like that but Embiid and Noels, both players who dropped in the draft due to injury concerns, and Saric, a player who dropped due to when he is coming over to the US, tells the whole story. But each player is a steal at the spot they were drafted strictly from a talent standpoint. But each player carries their share of concerns. Add Okafor's sudden character issues, and they don't have one player as part of their potential core that doesn't carry some major risk.

I can't believe that he knew about Ok4. Don't think it was out there.

As far as the other risks, they are calculated. He believes that if you take chances many times you will hit big.

I personally do not like his drafts.

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:^^^ Does the fake ID pretty much provide confirmation that he's been drinking?

Guy needs to be suspended and lose some $$. He has to see that his actions will have consequences.

Don't think he's missed any games, and since in one of the incidents he seems to refer to the importance of money, the loss of some of it might be the only way to get his attention.

When it rains it pours...

The fake ID proves he attempted to get into a 21+ bar/club. While the drinking part can be safely assumed, i doubt it can be proven definitively. I do however think he needs to be suspended for conduct detrimental to the team to set an example, but this is just another by-product of a very flawed rebuilding effort.

I love how you keep saying that his actions are in fact a flaw in the rebuilding effort. There have been many many tools like JR who have acted like dikheads with vets.

No that is not what i am saying. It's the other way around. I am looking at it from the Sixer's perspective. His actions are on him and his responsibility (or lack thereof). But Hinkie will run into these types of issues when building a team of kids with no support system in place. And since he values talent over character/injury concerns/overseas contracts etc, these are the types of things he must expect, which i am sure he did not. I don't blame the Sixers plan for Okafor's mistakes. I blame the Sixer's plan for not anticipating these types of issues in general.

has it been an issue with other players? Would KP have done this if he were drafted? Russell? Towns?

Hinkie lost out on KP who is a much much better player and person (at this point). That is on him.

I do think that Hinkie will have a different type of offseason this time.

Apparently it has been an issue with Embiid and Noel. Saric is still in Europe. I haven't heard anything about his second rounders and d leaguers that are on the squad. Covington and McConnel seem like high character guys. I love Grant.

Hinkie has made it very clear he could care less about injury and character concern as long as he is drafting the best talent available.

he did? Can you provide a link or article where he says this? Or are you basing this on who he has drafted?

He won't directly say something like that but Embiid and Noels, both players who dropped in the draft due to injury concerns, and Saric, a player who dropped due to when he is coming over to the US, tells the whole story. But each player is a steal at the spot they were drafted strictly from a talent standpoint. But each player carries their share of concerns. Add Okafor's sudden character issues, and they don't have one player as part of their potential core that doesn't carry some major risk.

I can't believe that he knew about Ok4. Don't think it was out there.

As far as the other risks, they are calculated. He believes that if you take chances many times you will hit big.

I personally do not like his drafts.

I don't think anything about Okafor having character issues was out there. Philly is reported to have been extremely thorough in its background check of Okafor.

Duke also recruited him. And we know how they are, unless times have changed.

I don't really have to much of a problem with Philly's drafts though. There haven't been any real studs taken after Embild. He was a player worth the risk and Saric would have been a nice compliment to him. Noel and MCW both turned out to be productive players. And you have to draft Ok4 when he was there at 3.

The problem is they ONLY use the draft and put to much dependency on one aspect of building a team. There is no foundation for these players to come into and grow either.

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:^^^ Does the fake ID pretty much provide confirmation that he's been drinking?

Guy needs to be suspended and lose some $$. He has to see that his actions will have consequences.

Don't think he's missed any games, and since in one of the incidents he seems to refer to the importance of money, the loss of some of it might be the only way to get his attention.

When it rains it pours...

The fake ID proves he attempted to get into a 21+ bar/club. While the drinking part can be safely assumed, i doubt it can be proven definitively. I do however think he needs to be suspended for conduct detrimental to the team to set an example, but this is just another by-product of a very flawed rebuilding effort.

I love how you keep saying that his actions are in fact a flaw in the rebuilding effort. There have been many many tools like JR who have acted like dikheads with vets.

No that is not what i am saying. It's the other way around. I am looking at it from the Sixer's perspective. His actions are on him and his responsibility (or lack thereof). But Hinkie will run into these types of issues when building a team of kids with no support system in place. And since he values talent over character/injury concerns/overseas contracts etc, these are the types of things he must expect, which i am sure he did not. I don't blame the Sixers plan for Okafor's mistakes. I blame the Sixer's plan for not anticipating these types of issues in general.

I agree. Okafor isn't spending the season home rehabbing and he isn't still in Europe. He already has star recognition and is traveling around the country with a bunch of guys that are the age of college sophmores and juniors. Not having any high character vets on that team ignores an important part of the developmental process these young players need. Maybe it doesn't fit with the gm's fixation with cap space/asset acquisition but his lack of attention to this detail is derailing the process.

It is believed the Sixers do have security personnel available, but the players must request the service. A Sixers spokesman could not be reached for comment on that point.
The overarching issue is about what kind of environment is being fostered, one of the executives said. As he noted, there have been previous questions about how the team has handled other, less serious matters involving its young stars and their development.
In Monday’s aforementioned Daily News story, Nerlens Noel was reportedly “heavily fined” for “repeated tardiness and other violations” while recovering from a knee injury during his rookie season. Joel Embiid, who has yet to play for the Sixers, was reportedly sent home from a road trip last year for “insubordination.” A recent story by the Cauldron also questioned Embiid’s dietary habits and claimed he delayed a second surgery on his foot because he was “determined to go to [Las] Vegas to party for the balance of the 10 days of summer league.” The story cited sources that said owner Joshua Harris had instructed Sam Hinkie and Brett Brown to keep Embiid away from Las Vegas, to no avail.
“It’s a bad look for [the Sixers],” one league executive said. “This is the big issue with their plan. You get a bunch of talented kids — OK, but they’re still kids. Where are the adults?”

good post. Especially the bold. If you have every spend an extended period of time on a team and gone through a few roster turnovers you know this. People around here really killed the Knicks for using spots on guys like Lance and Lou but those roles are critical.

The perfect example is Sota.. they have as good a young core as any team and what guys did they bring in? KG, Dre Miller, Tayshaun Prince... a bunch of old guys who know how to win games.

Take it from KP himself:

Though Porzingis didn’t work out for Philadelphia before the draft, the 20-year-old said he couldn’t imagine what it would be like if he were on a team that hadn’t won a game more than a month into his rookie season. Fortunately, Porzingis said, he ended up in New York, playing alongside a perennial All-Star like Anthony, instead of being thrown into a disastrous rebuilding situation with no reliable veterans.

“Carmelo helped me a lot, taking off pressure, because there was a lot of pressure and expectations for me,” Porzingis said. “I’m still trying to constantly play good, but I’m very lucky to have Carmelo on my side, who is the leader of the team and will take care of it if I’m not having a great game.”

didn't they just bring in these vets? Of course Philly will have to do the same. I assume that it will start this off season.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:^^^ Does the fake ID pretty much provide confirmation that he's been drinking?

Guy needs to be suspended and lose some $$. He has to see that his actions will have consequences.

Don't think he's missed any games, and since in one of the incidents he seems to refer to the importance of money, the loss of some of it might be the only way to get his attention.

When it rains it pours...

The fake ID proves he attempted to get into a 21+ bar/club. While the drinking part can be safely assumed, i doubt it can be proven definitively. I do however think he needs to be suspended for conduct detrimental to the team to set an example, but this is just another by-product of a very flawed rebuilding effort.

I love how you keep saying that his actions are in fact a flaw in the rebuilding effort. There have been many many tools like JR who have acted like dikheads with vets.

No that is not what i am saying. It's the other way around. I am looking at it from the Sixer's perspective. His actions are on him and his responsibility (or lack thereof). But Hinkie will run into these types of issues when building a team of kids with no support system in place. And since he values talent over character/injury concerns/overseas contracts etc, these are the types of things he must expect, which i am sure he did not. I don't blame the Sixers plan for Okafor's mistakes. I blame the Sixer's plan for not anticipating these types of issues in general.

I agree. Okafor isn't spending the season home rehabbing and he isn't still in Europe. He already has star recognition and is traveling around the country with a bunch of guys that are the age of college sophmores and juniors. Not having any high character vets on that team ignores an important part of the developmental process these young players need. Maybe it doesn't fit with the gm's fixation with cap space/asset acquisition but his lack of attention to this detail is derailing the process.

It is believed the Sixers do have security personnel available, but the players must request the service. A Sixers spokesman could not be reached for comment on that point.
The overarching issue is about what kind of environment is being fostered, one of the executives said. As he noted, there have been previous questions about how the team has handled other, less serious matters involving its young stars and their development.
In Monday’s aforementioned Daily News story, Nerlens Noel was reportedly “heavily fined” for “repeated tardiness and other violations” while recovering from a knee injury during his rookie season. Joel Embiid, who has yet to play for the Sixers, was reportedly sent home from a road trip last year for “insubordination.” A recent story by the Cauldron also questioned Embiid’s dietary habits and claimed he delayed a second surgery on his foot because he was “determined to go to [Las] Vegas to party for the balance of the 10 days of summer league.” The story cited sources that said owner Joshua Harris had instructed Sam Hinkie and Brett Brown to keep Embiid away from Las Vegas, to no avail.
“It’s a bad look for [the Sixers],” one league executive said. “This is the big issue with their plan. You get a bunch of talented kids — OK, but they’re still kids. Where are the adults?”

good post. Especially the bold. If you have every spend an extended period of time on a team and gone through a few roster turnovers you know this. People around here really killed the Knicks for using spots on guys like Lance and Lou but those roles are critical.

The perfect example is Sota.. they have as good a young core as any team and what guys did they bring in? KG, Dre Miller, Tayshaun Prince... a bunch of old guys who know how to win games.

Take it from KP himself:

Though Porzingis didn’t work out for Philadelphia before the draft, the 20-year-old said he couldn’t imagine what it would be like if he were on a team that hadn’t won a game more than a month into his rookie season. Fortunately, Porzingis said, he ended up in New York, playing alongside a perennial All-Star like Anthony, instead of being thrown into a disastrous rebuilding situation with no reliable veterans.

“Carmelo helped me a lot, taking off pressure, because there was a lot of pressure and expectations for me,” Porzingis said. “I’m still trying to constantly play good, but I’m very lucky to have Carmelo on my side, who is the leader of the team and will take care of it if I’m not having a great game.”

didn't they just bring in these vets? Of course Philly will have to do the same. I assume that it will start this off season.

the point is they didnt this year, needed to this year and its hurting them. Now you have 20 year olds acting their age. 7 guys who are 22 or younger and nobody older than 25. Does that strike you as balanced? Good planning? Good execution?

if your goal is to do a complete tank then it was a good plan. However, that has to change at some point or else Hinkie can't keep his job. Hiring those vets will not get you simmons.

As you said, it looks like the philly fans are still on board (for now).

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WaltLongmire wrote:^^^ Does the fake ID pretty much provide confirmation that he's been drinking?

Guy needs to be suspended and lose some $$. He has to see that his actions will have consequences.

Don't think he's missed any games, and since in one of the incidents he seems to refer to the importance of money, the loss of some of it might be the only way to get his attention.

When it rains it pours...

The fake ID proves he attempted to get into a 21+ bar/club. While the drinking part can be safely assumed, i doubt it can be proven definitively. I do however think he needs to be suspended for conduct detrimental to the team to set an example, but this is just another by-product of a very flawed rebuilding effort.

I love how you keep saying that his actions are in fact a flaw in the rebuilding effort. There have been many many tools like JR who have acted like dikheads with vets.

No that is not what i am saying. It's the other way around. I am looking at it from the Sixer's perspective. His actions are on him and his responsibility (or lack thereof). But Hinkie will run into these types of issues when building a team of kids with no support system in place. And since he values talent over character/injury concerns/overseas contracts etc, these are the types of things he must expect, which i am sure he did not. I don't blame the Sixers plan for Okafor's mistakes. I blame the Sixer's plan for not anticipating these types of issues in general.

I agree. Okafor isn't spending the season home rehabbing and he isn't still in Europe. He already has star recognition and is traveling around the country with a bunch of guys that are the age of college sophmores and juniors. Not having any high character vets on that team ignores an important part of the developmental process these young players need. Maybe it doesn't fit with the gm's fixation with cap space/asset acquisition but his lack of attention to this detail is derailing the process.

It is believed the Sixers do have security personnel available, but the players must request the service. A Sixers spokesman could not be reached for comment on that point.
The overarching issue is about what kind of environment is being fostered, one of the executives said. As he noted, there have been previous questions about how the team has handled other, less serious matters involving its young stars and their development.
In Monday’s aforementioned Daily News story, Nerlens Noel was reportedly “heavily fined” for “repeated tardiness and other violations” while recovering from a knee injury during his rookie season. Joel Embiid, who has yet to play for the Sixers, was reportedly sent home from a road trip last year for “insubordination.” A recent story by the Cauldron also questioned Embiid’s dietary habits and claimed he delayed a second surgery on his foot because he was “determined to go to [Las] Vegas to party for the balance of the 10 days of summer league.” The story cited sources that said owner Joshua Harris had instructed Sam Hinkie and Brett Brown to keep Embiid away from Las Vegas, to no avail.
“It’s a bad look for [the Sixers],” one league executive said. “This is the big issue with their plan. You get a bunch of talented kids — OK, but they’re still kids. Where are the adults?”

good post. Especially the bold. If you have every spend an extended period of time on a team and gone through a few roster turnovers you know this. People around here really killed the Knicks for using spots on guys like Lance and Lou but those roles are critical.

The perfect example is Sota.. they have as good a young core as any team and what guys did they bring in? KG, Dre Miller, Tayshaun Prince... a bunch of old guys who know how to win games.

Take it from KP himself:

Though Porzingis didn’t work out for Philadelphia before the draft, the 20-year-old said he couldn’t imagine what it would be like if he were on a team that hadn’t won a game more than a month into his rookie season. Fortunately, Porzingis said, he ended up in New York, playing alongside a perennial All-Star like Anthony, instead of being thrown into a disastrous rebuilding situation with no reliable veterans.

“Carmelo helped me a lot, taking off pressure, because there was a lot of pressure and expectations for me,” Porzingis said. “I’m still trying to constantly play good, but I’m very lucky to have Carmelo on my side, who is the leader of the team and will take care of it if I’m not having a great game.”

didn't they just bring in these vets? Of course Philly will have to do the same. I assume that it will start this off season.

the point is they didnt this year, needed to this year and its hurting them. Now you have 20 year olds acting their age. 7 guys who are 22 or younger and nobody older than 25. Does that strike you as balanced? Good planning? Good execution?

if your goal is to do a complete tank then it was a good plan. However, that has to change at some point or else Hinkie can't keep his job. Hiring those vets will not get you simmons.

As you said, it looks like the philly fans are still on board (for now).

Philly fans might still be on board because they feel like they have no choice. They are too far in.