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1/11/2016  2:30 PM
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I like the way Lopez has played the last ten games-- probably the best string of games hes had in 3 years. Do we know definitely whether we would be better or worse with Monroe? He wont give you that force Lopez gives(or has now been giving) which is big time. But would Monroe score 18-20 points here and benefit from playing backed up by Porzingis as well?

In what sense? This is just the normal Lopez.

Yeah i was gonna single out that comment as well. Rolo has been a good player for a while now and i wouldn't say that his last 10 games are his best he's had in 3 years and actually think that's a ridiculous thing to say cause he was playing good in Portland.

I never saw Rolo play in Portland, did they use him in the post much?

Going to repost this article, if you dont mind. This is about Lopez in Portland before he got hurt.

https://m.numberfire.com/nba/news/3021/why-we-should-stop-underrating-robin-lopez


Robin Lopez was a bigger part of the Blazers' success last year than people realize. The numbers show us why.

by Russell Peddle on Sep 3rd, 2014

Why We Should Stop Underrating Robin Lopez


Are we properly appreciating Robin Lopez?

Brook Lopez, Robin’s twin brother, is the All-Star of the family and often stands out as the better basketball player. Brook is a key cog for and arguably the best player on the Brooklyn Nets and scores around 20 points per game for them each season. Robin, on the other hand, has posted modest scoring averages just above 11 points per contest the last two seasons (the only times in his six-year career he’s scored in double-digits) and is considered by many to be the fifth best player on the Portland Trail Blazers, behind LaMarcus Aldridge, Damian Lillard, Nicolas Batum, and Wesley Matthews.

Robin and his big hair have bounced around from Phoenix, to New Orleans, and finally to Portland over the last few years and he could easily be mistaken for a role playing journeyman. A closer look at his numbers, however, suggests that he might be one of the most important centers in the whole Association.

Wipe that incredulous look off your face and take a look.


On Offense

According to Basketball Reference, Robin’s 128.1 offensive rating was the best in the entire NBA last season, beating out guys like Chris Paul and Kevin Durant. Having a better offensive rating doesn’t suggest that Lopez is more offensively gifted than CP3 or KD (don’t be absurd), just that he produced more points per individual possession than they did. Considering Lopez only had a 14.0% usage rate and rarely had the undivided attention of opposing defenses, his path to efficiency was easier, but no less impressive.

Lopez finished seventh in the whole league in field goal percentage (55.1%) and second among centers in free throw percentage (81.8%). That combination of efficient scoring from the field and skill from the line helped him finish eighth in the league in true shooting percentage (weighted twos, threes, and free throws) at 60.5%. He may not have scored a ton of points, but he was a reliable option when called upon on offense.

One of his most important skills on the offensive end for the Blazers, though, was his ability to grab offensive rebounds. He was second in the league in offensive boards per game at 4.0, trailing only Andre Drummond at 5.4. His offensive rebound percentage of 13.6% was fourth in the league, while his 326 total offensive rebounds placed him third. He also scored 278 second-chance points off those offensive boards, the eighth-highest total in the NBA.

On Defense

The Blazers were consistently dismissed as true contenders last season because of their mediocre defense, but Robin Lopez did absolutely all he could on that end to change the narrative. Portland finished 16th in the league with a defensive rating of 104.7 (points allowed per 100 possessions), the third worst among playoff teams behind the Dallas Mavericks and the Brooklyn Nets. They were much better, however, with Lopez on the floor (103.7, which would have finished 13th comparatively) than when he was off (106.6, 24th).

Notably, Lopez’s defensive rebounding numbers didn’t quite match up with the way he crashed the boards on the offensive end, with his 4.6 defensive boards per game representing one of the lowest averages among starting centers in the league. This is somewhat understandable, however, when you consider how much time he had to spend defending the rim for Portland instead of getting into good rebounding position.

The 10.3 shots that Lopez faced at the rim per game last season is tied with DeAndre Jordan for the most in the whole NBA. RoLo not only swatted away 1.7 shots per game (eighth in the Association), but he also held a ridiculously low rim protection rate of 42.5%.

Of all players that faced at least 4 shots within five feet of the basket last year, only Bismack Biyombo (38.8%) and Roy Hibbert (41.4%) fared better. Lopez didn’t get a single All-Defensive Team vote last year - Defensive Player of the Year Joakim Noah and Hibbert were obvious and deserving choices - but perhaps he would've been considered right there with DeAndre Jordan and Andre Drummond as part of the next tier if an All-Defensive Third Team had been selected.

All-Encompassing Numbers

If you look at the list of the top 20 win share totals from last season, you will find 14 NBA All-Stars and five other players that received All-NBA votes at the end of the year. The one outlier in the group, coming in at 19th, was none other than Robin Lopez. In fact, his 9.5 win shares last year was just shy of teammate Damian Lillard’s 9.6 and more than LaMarcus Aldridge’s 7.5.

Lopez played and started in all 82 games for Portland in 2013-14, so that probably gave him a boost in something cumulative like win shares, right? Well, his rate of 0.176 win shares per 48 minutes was actually the best mark of any Blazer last season and placed him once again at 19th overall in the whole NBA.

If win shares is not your “one number” statistic of choice, our own nERD metric was an even bigger RoLo fan. Robin’s nERD of 8.4 - which indicates that a league-average team would finish roughly 8.4 games above .500 with Lopez as a starter - was the best score on the Blazers. What’s more, it ranked him 18th in the whole league and third among centers.

Robin Lopez might not be garnering any All-Star votes anytime soon, but the role he plays for the Portland Trail Blazers on both ends of the floor is crucial to their success. He is a perfect complement to LaMarcus Aldridge up front (the Blazers had a net rating of 8.8 when the two were on the floor together last season) and he brings a number of intangibles to a starting lineup filled with flashy skill sets. If the Blazers hope to repeat their successful run from last season, Robin Lopez will be a big part of it.

We might still be under-appreciating “the other Lopez brother”, but the numbers have clearly taken notice of his value. Perhaps it’s time that we do too.

Thanks for this it was a good read and i've never seen it before.

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1/12/2016  10:03 PM
Rolo +23 tonight in a nail biter.

15 points on 6 for 7 shooting!

Post moves that hakeem smiles upon.

Wins the game for the knicks on defense with a HUGE blocked shot on Isiah Thomas who was unstoppable.

Monroe? Not even close.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/12/2016  10:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/12/2016  10:18 PM
Even when things were real bad with Lopez/NYK early on in the season, I said having watched Porzingis that he was not ready for full time C duty. We see again tonight why. At full time 5 duty, Porzingis will get pushed around a bit and more importantly he'll get into foul trouble. Lopez being a Knick the next 2-3 years is not only vital for the Knicks perspective as they need a guy like that in the middle, it's also vital for Porzingis development. The two of them have been playing real well together. As I've said all along, I'd trade Lopez for a major upgrade at his position, but outside of that I wouldn't move him. Even when he wasn't showing this level of play, I was happy with him as a Knick. The way he's playing right now, I'm not sure I'd ever want to see him move on. He's such a good chemistry and hustle guy, sort of like Joakim Noah used to be for the Bulls a few years ago. Love this guy - and further proof Phil Jackson knew exactly what he was doing when he signed him to that big contract.

The Lopez/Porzingis/Melo (and Williams coming in as 4th front court guy there) is one of the toughest covers in the league. Every team seems to have trouble matching up with our front court.

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2/2/2016  10:09 PM
Vs Boston 17/13, 50 percent from the field with 3 blocked shots. Highest plus/minus on the team.
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2/2/2016  10:28 PM
yikes how do you find these old old threads!lol. i feel bad for BRIGGS sometimes. but he makes these bold statements and its easy to go back and laugh at
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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2/2/2016  10:36 PM
callmened wrote:yikes how do you find these old old threads!lol. i feel bad for BRIGGS sometimes. but he makes these bold statements and its easy to go back and laugh at

Yeah because it's possible we could be 27-22 with monroe

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2/2/2016  10:40 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
callmened wrote:yikes how do you find these old old threads!lol. i feel bad for BRIGGS sometimes. but he makes these bold statements and its easy to go back and laugh at

Yeah because it's possible we could be 27-22 with monroe

Yeah because it's also possible we could be 20-29 with monroe. Oh look, it's almost exactly what the Bucks are with him if you lose another game.

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2/2/2016  11:01 PM
kind of cheesy to bump these threads
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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2/2/2016  11:05 PM
callmened wrote:yikes how do you find these old old threads!lol. i feel bad for BRIGGS sometimes. but he makes these bold statements and its easy to go back and laugh at

i dont feel bad. briggs never misses a chance to let everyone know how much more basketball he knows than everyone else on here.

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2/2/2016  11:13 PM
mreinman wrote:kind of cheesy to bump these threads

Picked the wrong poster to call out. This is the first time since I first joined this site that Ive bumped an old thread. The only reason I remembered it is because you wouldnt let it die from bumping it after every game for several months. How many old threads have you resurrected since joining this board? More in one week than I have in almost 6 years. Very cheesy.

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2/2/2016  11:15 PM
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mreinman wrote:kind of cheesy to bump these threads

Picked the wrong poster to call out. This is the first time since I first joined this site that Ive bumped an old thread. The only reason I remembered it is because you wouldnt let it die from bumping it after every game for several months. How many old threads have you resurrected since joining this board? More in one week than I have in almost 6 years. Very cheesy.

facetious - dude!

man you used to be so happy go lucky and now you are mr sensitive ... lighten up man

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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2/2/2016  11:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/2/2016  11:23 PM
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:kind of cheesy to bump these threads

Picked the wrong poster to call out. This is the first time since I first joined this site that Ive bumped an old thread. The only reason I remembered it is because you wouldnt let it die from bumping it after every game for several months. How many old threads have you resurrected since joining this board? More in one week than I have in almost 6 years. Very cheesy.

facetious - dude!

man you used to be so happy go lucky and now you are mr sensitive ... lighten up man

A smiley would have helped reinola. Never bumped a thread this old before. I forgot you are smiley deficient. Here comes the pain!!! 🌊🚳🗣👷🏾🐹🐢🌦🌪🍎🍟🍰🏆🎻👾🎳🚔🚢🌆🏤📲💽📸📡💰⚙💈📪📆📒🈲⚜✳️💹🆕🆒9️⃣♣️👁‍🗨🕗🇨🇭

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2/2/2016  11:27 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:kind of cheesy to bump these threads

Picked the wrong poster to call out. This is the first time since I first joined this site that Ive bumped an old thread. The only reason I remembered it is because you wouldnt let it die from bumping it after every game for several months. How many old threads have you resurrected since joining this board? More in one week than I have in almost 6 years. Very cheesy.

facetious - dude!

man you used to be so happy go lucky and now you are mr sensitive ... lighten up man

At smiley would have helped reinola. Never bumped a thread this old before. I forgot you are smiley deficient. Here comes the pain!!! 🌊🚳🗣👷🏾🐹🐢🌦🌪🍎🍟🍰🏆🎻👾🎳🚔🚢🌆🏤📲💽📸📡💰⚙💈📪📆📒🈲⚜✳️💹🆕🆒9️⃣♣️👁‍🗨🕗🇨🇭

I kind of like sarcasm in the dry steven wright mold. Hate smileys with sarcasm because it loses it's ooomph.

Also, I bump briggs threads all the time so I thought that it was obvious that I was being sarcastic

I don't bump threads from many posters. Only ones that think they know better than others and are mostly wrong.

holfresh was one that I enjoyed bumping. TKF (miss that terribly ) and of course briggs who clearly does not have a clue most of the time and never backs up his declarations when challenged.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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2/2/2016  11:38 PM
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:kind of cheesy to bump these threads

Picked the wrong poster to call out. This is the first time since I first joined this site that Ive bumped an old thread. The only reason I remembered it is because you wouldnt let it die from bumping it after every game for several months. How many old threads have you resurrected since joining this board? More in one week than I have in almost 6 years. Very cheesy.

facetious - dude!

man you used to be so happy go lucky and now you are mr sensitive ... lighten up man

At smiley would have helped reinola. Never bumped a thread this old before. I forgot you are smiley deficient. Here comes the pain!!! 🌊🚳🗣👷🏾🐹🐢🌦🌪🍎🍟🍰🏆🎻👾🎳🚔🚢🌆🏤📲💽📸📡💰⚙💈📪📆📒🈲⚜✳️💹🆕🆒9️⃣♣️👁‍🗨🕗🇨🇭

I kind of like sarcasm in the dry steven wright mold. Hate smileys with sarcasm because it loses it's ooomph.

Also, I bump briggs threads all the time so I thought that it was obvious that I was being sarcastic

I don't bump threads from many posters. Only ones that think they know better than others and are mostly wrong.

holfresh was one that I enjoyed bumping. TKF (miss that terribly ) and of course briggs who clearly does not have a clue most of the time and never backs up his declarations when challenged.

Those are good starter smileys grasshopper. Behold!!! 🇬🇸🇳🇴🇲🇲🇸🇱🇲🇪🇳🇦🔓📝☀️🔥⛄️🍙🍲🍕🍤🍳🍝💭🎶.

I use smileys very little myself, just wasnt expecting that comment the first time I bumped an old thread in almost 6 years. Peace.

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2/2/2016  11:40 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:kind of cheesy to bump these threads

Picked the wrong poster to call out. This is the first time since I first joined this site that Ive bumped an old thread. The only reason I remembered it is because you wouldnt let it die from bumping it after every game for several months. How many old threads have you resurrected since joining this board? More in one week than I have in almost 6 years. Very cheesy.

facetious - dude!

man you used to be so happy go lucky and now you are mr sensitive ... lighten up man

At smiley would have helped reinola. Never bumped a thread this old before. I forgot you are smiley deficient. Here comes the pain!!! 🌊🚳🗣👷🏾🐹🐢🌦🌪🍎🍟🍰🏆🎻👾🎳🚔🚢🌆🏤📲💽📸📡💰⚙💈📪📆📒🈲⚜✳️💹🆕🆒9️⃣♣️👁‍🗨🕗🇨🇭

I kind of like sarcasm in the dry steven wright mold. Hate smileys with sarcasm because it loses it's ooomph.

Also, I bump briggs threads all the time so I thought that it was obvious that I was being sarcastic

I don't bump threads from many posters. Only ones that think they know better than others and are mostly wrong.

holfresh was one that I enjoyed bumping. TKF (miss that terribly ) and of course briggs who clearly does not have a clue most of the time and never backs up his declarations when challenged.

Those are good starter smileys grasshopper. Behold!!! 🇬🇸🇳🇴🇲🇲🇸🇱🇲🇪🇳🇦🔓📝☀️🔥⛄️🍙🍲🍕🍤🍳🍝💭🎶.

I use smileys very little myself, just wasnt expecting that comment the first time I bumped an old thread in almost 6 years. Peace.

all good.

and feel free to bump more silly posts.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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2/3/2016  12:02 AM
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BRIGGS wrote:
callmened wrote:yikes how do you find these old old threads!lol. i feel bad for BRIGGS sometimes. but he makes these bold statements and its easy to go back and laugh at

Yeah because it's possible we could be 27-22 with monroe

Yeah because it's also possible we could be 20-29 with monroe. Oh look, it's almost exactly what the Bucks are with him if you lose another game.

Neither player is a true piece of the pie so to speak. Is one better than the other where I would bump a thread 50 times--no. Id probably play smaller than both of these guys. I like big men but they are secondary parts now. Thats why I would trade RO LO if the right deal was there--a deal where we could increase the talent corp of our guards substantially.

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2/3/2016  12:52 AM
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:kind of cheesy to bump these threads

Picked the wrong poster to call out. This is the first time since I first joined this site that Ive bumped an old thread. The only reason I remembered it is because you wouldnt let it die from bumping it after every game for several months. How many old threads have you resurrected since joining this board? More in one week than I have in almost 6 years. Very cheesy.

facetious - dude!

man you used to be so happy go lucky and now you are mr sensitive ... lighten up man

At smiley would have helped reinola. Never bumped a thread this old before. I forgot you are smiley deficient. Here comes the pain!!! 🌊🚳🗣👷🏾🐹🐢🌦🌪🍎🍟🍰🏆🎻👾🎳🚔🚢🌆🏤📲💽📸📡💰⚙💈📪📆📒🈲⚜✳️💹🆕🆒9️⃣♣️👁‍🗨🕗🇨🇭

I kind of like sarcasm in the dry steven wright mold. Hate smileys with sarcasm because it loses it's ooomph.

Also, I bump briggs threads all the time so I thought that it was obvious that I was being sarcastic

I don't bump threads from many posters. Only ones that think they know better than others and are mostly wrong.

holfresh was one that I enjoyed bumping. TKF (miss that terribly ) and of course briggs who clearly does not have a clue most of the time and never backs up his declarations when challenged.

Nice! I'm know more than everyone and I'm never wrong. Glad I didn't make the list!

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2/3/2016  2:40 PM
mreinman wrote:kind of cheesy to bump these threads

Just for the record, I got and appreciated your sarcasm. Especially since I waste most of my work day reading the previous pages of the thread.


And look, BRIGGS is still right!

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2/3/2016  2:44 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
callmened wrote:yikes how do you find these old old threads!lol. i feel bad for BRIGGS sometimes. but he makes these bold statements and its easy to go back and laugh at

Yeah because it's possible we could be 27-22 with monroe


Well damn if we had S.Larkin, A.Shved, C.Aldrich, I.Thomas and G.Monroe we'd be undefeated.
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2/3/2016  2:47 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:kind of cheesy to bump these threads

Picked the wrong poster to call out. This is the first time since I first joined this site that Ive bumped an old thread. The only reason I remembered it is because you wouldnt let it die from bumping it after every game for several months. How many old threads have you resurrected since joining this board? More in one week than I have in almost 6 years. Very cheesy.

facetious - dude!

man you used to be so happy go lucky and now you are mr sensitive ... lighten up man

At smiley would have helped reinola. Never bumped a thread this old before. I forgot you are smiley deficient. Here comes the pain!!! 🌊🚳🗣👷🏾🐹🐢🌦🌪🍎🍟🍰🏆🎻👾🎳🚔🚢🌆🏤📲💽📸📡💰⚙💈📪📆📒🈲⚜✳️💹🆕🆒9️⃣♣️👁‍🗨🕗🇨🇭

I kind of like sarcasm in the dry steven wright mold. Hate smileys with sarcasm because it loses it's ooomph.

Also, I bump briggs threads all the time so I thought that it was obvious that I was being sarcastic

I don't bump threads from many posters. Only ones that think they know better than others and are mostly wrong.

holfresh was one that I enjoyed bumping. TKF (miss that terribly ) and of course briggs who clearly does not have a clue most of the time and never backs up his declarations when challenged.

Those are good starter smileys grasshopper. Behold!!! 🇬🇸🇳🇴🇲🇲🇸🇱🇲🇪🇳🇦🔓📝☀️🔥⛄️🍙🍲🍕🍤🍳🍝💭🎶.

I use smileys very little myself, just wasnt expecting that comment the first time I bumped an old thread in almost 6 years. Peace.


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