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7/16/2015  2:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2015  2:40 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
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That’s right, this franchise stripped itself of assets to acquire you back in 2011, when you made it clear to Mr. Dolan that you were going to get paid before the coming lockout and would do so in New Jersey and Brooklyn if need be. Poor Donnie Walsh was ordered to surrender everything to Denver except Walt Frazier’s wardrobe.

You could have waited to sign as a free agent for the sake of the franchise’s well-being – and yours by extension. We all want to earn but you did set the consequences in motion and, again, had a chance to escape them last summer. You didn’t. You stayed. Now deal with your decision, grow as a player and as a leader.

That’s the best way to begin recalibrating your enigmatic standing, the most positive advance you can make toward the rest of a career still rich in opportunity. Stop making it all about championship odds that would not be favorable unless you joined a small handful of teams, almost all of whom don’t need or want you.

Papabear Says

Man why don't you give it up! This **** ain't about Anthony. I don't know why you guys see it that way. This mess is about Phil Jackson and his inability to sign stars. It's not about Anthony. Hell he is sipping wine with LeBron and the boys. The game is about the players and the star players. Now in New York its about Phil Jackson and it will be all about Phil and that damn triangle. When Phil played the Triangle he had 3 stars the Knicks only have one. The word that some of the player was that during interviews Phil was arrogant and making it about him and its not about Phil.
I believe that Phil Jackson have no idea about being a GM


Actually it is about Anthony, at least in part. I left the quoted text above as a pointer. Beyond that, we would have had FA's beating down our door had they wanted to play with Melo. And I'm not against Melo. Stars don't come here just because of Phil, he has his rings, Melo has his 2X in 12 attempts past the 2nd round of the playoffs to thank. I know it isn't all on him. There is no sense in signing Aldridge, Monroe, etc. when they are not really defensive players imo and I think Phil agreed their. We have a team that can support Melo's deficiencies and if we make the 7th or 8th seed, we WILL have FA's wanting to come here.

BTW - If you hadn't read, we are opening up the offense, it isn't just about the triangle (you can see this in summer league.) We are planning on pushing the ball on defensive rebounds and in part, that is why we got Grant. We have one star in Melo and just maybe another in KP. Then we have some money and 2016 FA to hope for...

The teams needs a legit swing player that can defend. The Guards on this team really worry me, especially the 2 guards. Are we really going to pla Langston Galloway 25-30 minutes a night? thas scary

Did you see Galloway's defensive metrics last year? They were insanely good. Now we have another defender to play next to him in Grant AND Affalo AND a center who is a great defender in Lopez AND another very good defender in O'Quinn. So, I think we are really going to see what Galloway can do as he can focus much more since he isn't the only defender. Galloway as an offensive player can relax a bit more now. Hopefully Melo is healthy and Grant and KP and Lopez and company can take the pressure away from Galloway.

I'm excited to see how we play as a team. I'm really interested to see how Melo fits in with this teams construction. I think he will be fine, but it is sort of up to him.

Afflao is average but the team was significantly worse replacing Matthews with him. Galloway is far from insane actually he is below average in important categories. Knicks fans really over value our young players, Galloway is not a rotation player on good teams

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7/16/2015  2:46 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:


That’s right, this franchise stripped itself of assets to acquire you back in 2011, when you made it clear to Mr. Dolan that you were going to get paid before the coming lockout and would do so in New Jersey and Brooklyn if need be. Poor Donnie Walsh was ordered to surrender everything to Denver except Walt Frazier’s wardrobe.

You could have waited to sign as a free agent for the sake of the franchise’s well-being – and yours by extension. We all want to earn but you did set the consequences in motion and, again, had a chance to escape them last summer. You didn’t. You stayed. Now deal with your decision, grow as a player and as a leader.

That’s the best way to begin recalibrating your enigmatic standing, the most positive advance you can make toward the rest of a career still rich in opportunity. Stop making it all about championship odds that would not be favorable unless you joined a small handful of teams, almost all of whom don’t need or want you.

Papabear Says

Man why don't you give it up! This **** ain't about Anthony. I don't know why you guys see it that way. This mess is about Phil Jackson and his inability to sign stars. It's not about Anthony. Hell he is sipping wine with LeBron and the boys. The game is about the players and the star players. Now in New York its about Phil Jackson and it will be all about Phil and that damn triangle. When Phil played the Triangle he had 3 stars the Knicks only have one. The word that some of the player was that during interviews Phil was arrogant and making it about him and its not about Phil.
I believe that Phil Jackson have no idea about being a GM


Actually it is about Anthony, at least in part. I left the quoted text above as a pointer. Beyond that, we would have had FA's beating down our door had they wanted to play with Melo. And I'm not against Melo. Stars don't come here just because of Phil, he has his rings, Melo has his 2X in 12 attempts past the 2nd round of the playoffs to thank. I know it isn't all on him. There is no sense in signing Aldridge, Monroe, etc. when they are not really defensive players imo and I think Phil agreed their. We have a team that can support Melo's deficiencies and if we make the 7th or 8th seed, we WILL have FA's wanting to come here.

BTW - If you hadn't read, we are opening up the offense, it isn't just about the triangle (you can see this in summer league.) We are planning on pushing the ball on defensive rebounds and in part, that is why we got Grant. We have one star in Melo and just maybe another in KP. Then we have some money and 2016 FA to hope for...

The teams needs a legit swing player that can defend. The Guards on this team really worry me, especially the 2 guards. Are we really going to pla Langston Galloway 25-30 minutes a night? thas scary

Did you see Galloway's defensive metrics last year? They were insanely good. Now we have another defender to play next to him in Grant AND Affalo AND a center who is a great defender in Lopez AND another very good defender in O'Quinn. So, I think we are really going to see what Galloway can do as he can focus much more since he isn't the only defender. Galloway as an offensive player can relax a bit more now. Hopefully Melo is healthy and Grant and KP and Lopez and company can take the pressure away from Galloway.

I'm excited to see how we play as a team. I'm really interested to see how Melo fits in with this teams construction. I think he will be fine, but it is sort of up to him.

Afflao is average but the team was significantly worse replacing Matthews with him. Galloway is far from insane actually he is below average in important categories. Knicks fans really over value our young players, Galloway is not a rotation player on good teams

Shump was a rotation player on a good team and their numbers are comparable. Langston was only a rookie and his defensive metrics were insanely good.

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7/16/2015  2:51 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:


That’s right, this franchise stripped itself of assets to acquire you back in 2011, when you made it clear to Mr. Dolan that you were going to get paid before the coming lockout and would do so in New Jersey and Brooklyn if need be. Poor Donnie Walsh was ordered to surrender everything to Denver except Walt Frazier’s wardrobe.

You could have waited to sign as a free agent for the sake of the franchise’s well-being – and yours by extension. We all want to earn but you did set the consequences in motion and, again, had a chance to escape them last summer. You didn’t. You stayed. Now deal with your decision, grow as a player and as a leader.

That’s the best way to begin recalibrating your enigmatic standing, the most positive advance you can make toward the rest of a career still rich in opportunity. Stop making it all about championship odds that would not be favorable unless you joined a small handful of teams, almost all of whom don’t need or want you.

Papabear Says

Man why don't you give it up! This **** ain't about Anthony. I don't know why you guys see it that way. This mess is about Phil Jackson and his inability to sign stars. It's not about Anthony. Hell he is sipping wine with LeBron and the boys. The game is about the players and the star players. Now in New York its about Phil Jackson and it will be all about Phil and that damn triangle. When Phil played the Triangle he had 3 stars the Knicks only have one. The word that some of the player was that during interviews Phil was arrogant and making it about him and its not about Phil.
I believe that Phil Jackson have no idea about being a GM


Actually it is about Anthony, at least in part. I left the quoted text above as a pointer. Beyond that, we would have had FA's beating down our door had they wanted to play with Melo. And I'm not against Melo. Stars don't come here just because of Phil, he has his rings, Melo has his 2X in 12 attempts past the 2nd round of the playoffs to thank. I know it isn't all on him. There is no sense in signing Aldridge, Monroe, etc. when they are not really defensive players imo and I think Phil agreed their. We have a team that can support Melo's deficiencies and if we make the 7th or 8th seed, we WILL have FA's wanting to come here.

BTW - If you hadn't read, we are opening up the offense, it isn't just about the triangle (you can see this in summer league.) We are planning on pushing the ball on defensive rebounds and in part, that is why we got Grant. We have one star in Melo and just maybe another in KP. Then we have some money and 2016 FA to hope for...

The teams needs a legit swing player that can defend. The Guards on this team really worry me, especially the 2 guards. Are we really going to pla Langston Galloway 25-30 minutes a night? thas scary

Did you see Galloway's defensive metrics last year? They were insanely good. Now we have another defender to play next to him in Grant AND Affalo AND a center who is a great defender in Lopez AND another very good defender in O'Quinn. So, I think we are really going to see what Galloway can do as he can focus much more since he isn't the only defender. Galloway as an offensive player can relax a bit more now. Hopefully Melo is healthy and Grant and KP and Lopez and company can take the pressure away from Galloway.

I'm excited to see how we play as a team. I'm really interested to see how Melo fits in with this teams construction. I think he will be fine, but it is sort of up to him.

Afflao is average but the team was significantly worse replacing Matthews with him. Galloway is far from insane actually he is below average in important categories. Knicks fans really over value our young players, Galloway is not a rotation player on good teams

Shump was a rotation player on a good team and their numbers are comparable. Langston was only a rookie and his defensive metrics were insanely good.


Which Metrics? Im seeing below average
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7/16/2015  3:30 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:


That’s right, this franchise stripped itself of assets to acquire you back in 2011, when you made it clear to Mr. Dolan that you were going to get paid before the coming lockout and would do so in New Jersey and Brooklyn if need be. Poor Donnie Walsh was ordered to surrender everything to Denver except Walt Frazier’s wardrobe.

You could have waited to sign as a free agent for the sake of the franchise’s well-being – and yours by extension. We all want to earn but you did set the consequences in motion and, again, had a chance to escape them last summer. You didn’t. You stayed. Now deal with your decision, grow as a player and as a leader.

That’s the best way to begin recalibrating your enigmatic standing, the most positive advance you can make toward the rest of a career still rich in opportunity. Stop making it all about championship odds that would not be favorable unless you joined a small handful of teams, almost all of whom don’t need or want you.

Papabear Says

Man why don't you give it up! This **** ain't about Anthony. I don't know why you guys see it that way. This mess is about Phil Jackson and his inability to sign stars. It's not about Anthony. Hell he is sipping wine with LeBron and the boys. The game is about the players and the star players. Now in New York its about Phil Jackson and it will be all about Phil and that damn triangle. When Phil played the Triangle he had 3 stars the Knicks only have one. The word that some of the player was that during interviews Phil was arrogant and making it about him and its not about Phil.
I believe that Phil Jackson have no idea about being a GM


Actually it is about Anthony, at least in part. I left the quoted text above as a pointer. Beyond that, we would have had FA's beating down our door had they wanted to play with Melo. And I'm not against Melo. Stars don't come here just because of Phil, he has his rings, Melo has his 2X in 12 attempts past the 2nd round of the playoffs to thank. I know it isn't all on him. There is no sense in signing Aldridge, Monroe, etc. when they are not really defensive players imo and I think Phil agreed their. We have a team that can support Melo's deficiencies and if we make the 7th or 8th seed, we WILL have FA's wanting to come here.

BTW - If you hadn't read, we are opening up the offense, it isn't just about the triangle (you can see this in summer league.) We are planning on pushing the ball on defensive rebounds and in part, that is why we got Grant. We have one star in Melo and just maybe another in KP. Then we have some money and 2016 FA to hope for...

The teams needs a legit swing player that can defend. The Guards on this team really worry me, especially the 2 guards. Are we really going to pla Langston Galloway 25-30 minutes a night? thas scary

Did you see Galloway's defensive metrics last year? They were insanely good. Now we have another defender to play next to him in Grant AND Affalo AND a center who is a great defender in Lopez AND another very good defender in O'Quinn. So, I think we are really going to see what Galloway can do as he can focus much more since he isn't the only defender. Galloway as an offensive player can relax a bit more now. Hopefully Melo is healthy and Grant and KP and Lopez and company can take the pressure away from Galloway.

I'm excited to see how we play as a team. I'm really interested to see how Melo fits in with this teams construction. I think he will be fine, but it is sort of up to him.

Afflao is average but the team was significantly worse replacing Matthews with him. Galloway is far from insane actually he is below average in important categories. Knicks fans really over value our young players, Galloway is not a rotation player on good teams

Shump was a rotation player on a good team and their numbers are comparable. Langston was only a rookie and his defensive metrics were insanely good.


Which Metrics? Im seeing below average

Player tracking defense. I'll try to get to a computer and post some numbers soon.

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7/16/2015  4:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2015  4:03 PM
Here is an article about how well Galloway defensive numbers were last year

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2015/3/10/8182959/these-langston-galloway-defensive-tracking-numbers-are-kinda-nuts

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7/16/2015  7:48 PM
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:Harvey Araton has been coming at Melo for a long time now..Why is this article getting people excited?

we can't just discredit each guy who comes after Melo. Perhaps there is some truth to some of it?

Exactly, he is "coming at Melo" because Melo provides ample fodder for writers, fans, whomever to come at him with. Carmelo seems to constantly say and do the wrong things at the wrong time all while not seemingly understanding that taking the money in NY was he himself setting his own destiny in stone.

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7/16/2015  8:00 PM
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crzymdups wrote:Yeah, I would love to see Melo take a leadership role and go Pippen 93-94 on this season. But I predict he'll go more like Marbury 06-07 or something. He just isn't wired to do this. I think Phil has been playing mind games with him for a while now, basically since the off-season... trying to force Melo to ask for a trade. I think Melo will do so. I wish he would accept the challenge, but I don't know if he's that kind of player.

phil is really phucking with Melo's head ... this is what I wanted last season.


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It seems to me the Phil got d*ck by Melo. Over 100 Million dollars. Melo is set for life.

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7/16/2015  8:01 PM
H1AND1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:Harvey Araton has been coming at Melo for a long time now..Why is this article getting people excited?

we can't just discredit each guy who comes after Melo. Perhaps there is some truth to some of it?

Exactly, he is "coming at Melo" because Melo provides ample fodder for writers, fans, whomever to come at him with. Carmelo seems to constantly say and do the wrong things at the wrong time all while not seemingly understanding that taking the money in NY was he himself setting his own destiny in stone.

All Star weekend, Melo hosted a luncheon for all time NBA greats from NY..Harvey wrote an article bashing Melo saying that in the presence of such greatness Melo belongs on the bench..Care to explain the fodder provided??..U can look up the article..

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7/16/2015  8:19 PM
holfresh wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:Harvey Araton has been coming at Melo for a long time now..Why is this article getting people excited?

we can't just discredit each guy who comes after Melo. Perhaps there is some truth to some of it?

Exactly, he is "coming at Melo" because Melo provides ample fodder for writers, fans, whomever to come at him with. Carmelo seems to constantly say and do the wrong things at the wrong time all while not seemingly understanding that taking the money in NY was he himself setting his own destiny in stone.

All Star weekend, Melo hosted a luncheon for all time NBA greats from NY..Harvey wrote an article bashing Melo saying that in the presence of such greatness Melo belongs on the bench..Care to explain the fodder provided??..U can look up the article..

This is quite possibly the strangest non argument I have ever read.

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7/16/2015  8:24 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
holfresh wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:Harvey Araton has been coming at Melo for a long time now..Why is this article getting people excited?

we can't just discredit each guy who comes after Melo. Perhaps there is some truth to some of it?

Exactly, he is "coming at Melo" because Melo provides ample fodder for writers, fans, whomever to come at him with. Carmelo seems to constantly say and do the wrong things at the wrong time all while not seemingly understanding that taking the money in NY was he himself setting his own destiny in stone.

All Star weekend, Melo hosted a luncheon for all time NBA greats from NY..Harvey wrote an article bashing Melo saying that in the presence of such greatness Melo belongs on the bench..Care to explain the fodder provided??..U can look up the article..

This is quite possibly the strangest non argument I have ever read.

I'll make a note of that when I start taking your commentaries seriously..

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holfresh wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
holfresh wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:Harvey Araton has been coming at Melo for a long time now..Why is this article getting people excited?

we can't just discredit each guy who comes after Melo. Perhaps there is some truth to some of it?

Exactly, he is "coming at Melo" because Melo provides ample fodder for writers, fans, whomever to come at him with. Carmelo seems to constantly say and do the wrong things at the wrong time all while not seemingly understanding that taking the money in NY was he himself setting his own destiny in stone.

All Star weekend, Melo hosted a luncheon for all time NBA greats from NY..Harvey wrote an article bashing Melo saying that in the presence of such greatness Melo belongs on the bench..Care to explain the fodder provided??..U can look up the article..

This is quite possibly the strangest non argument I have ever read.

I'll make a note of that when I start taking your commentaries seriously..


I didn't get your point either. You're saying Harvey is discredited because he didn't think Melo should be an all-star starter?
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Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
holfresh wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:Harvey Araton has been coming at Melo for a long time now..Why is this article getting people excited?

we can't just discredit each guy who comes after Melo. Perhaps there is some truth to some of it?

Exactly, he is "coming at Melo" because Melo provides ample fodder for writers, fans, whomever to come at him with. Carmelo seems to constantly say and do the wrong things at the wrong time all while not seemingly understanding that taking the money in NY was he himself setting his own destiny in stone.

All Star weekend, Melo hosted a luncheon for all time NBA greats from NY..Harvey wrote an article bashing Melo saying that in the presence of such greatness Melo belongs on the bench..Care to explain the fodder provided??..U can look up the article..

This is quite possibly the strangest non argument I have ever read.

I'll make a note of that when I start taking your commentaries seriously..


I didn't get your point either. You're saying Harvey is discredited because he didn't think Melo should be an all-star starter?

I think it's plain as day..All Star weekend Melo hosted a luncheon for NBA all time greats..Dr. J, Nat Archibald, Clyde, etc at Jacob Javits..This prompted an attack from Harvey writing an article saying in the presence of such greatness Melo deserves to be on the bench..I don't think it complimentary..It's being said that Melo provides fodder for such attacks..I would like to know what fodder prompted that attack..

How u draw Melo not starting at the all star game from that, I don't know...

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Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
holfresh wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:Harvey Araton has been coming at Melo for a long time now..Why is this article getting people excited?

we can't just discredit each guy who comes after Melo. Perhaps there is some truth to some of it?

Exactly, he is "coming at Melo" because Melo provides ample fodder for writers, fans, whomever to come at him with. Carmelo seems to constantly say and do the wrong things at the wrong time all while not seemingly understanding that taking the money in NY was he himself setting his own destiny in stone.

All Star weekend, Melo hosted a luncheon for all time NBA greats from NY..Harvey wrote an article bashing Melo saying that in the presence of such greatness Melo belongs on the bench..Care to explain the fodder provided??..U can look up the article..

This is quite possibly the strangest non argument I have ever read.

I'll make a note of that when I start taking your commentaries seriously..


I didn't get your point either. You're saying Harvey is discredited because he didn't think Melo should be an all-star starter?
He also interviews George Karl every year and writes basically the same article trashing Melo. Melo hasn't played for Karl in years and Araton has gone to that well 3-4 times. You can google that as well.
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7/16/2015  8:52 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
holfresh wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:Harvey Araton has been coming at Melo for a long time now..Why is this article getting people excited?

we can't just discredit each guy who comes after Melo. Perhaps there is some truth to some of it?

Exactly, he is "coming at Melo" because Melo provides ample fodder for writers, fans, whomever to come at him with. Carmelo seems to constantly say and do the wrong things at the wrong time all while not seemingly understanding that taking the money in NY was he himself setting his own destiny in stone.

All Star weekend, Melo hosted a luncheon for all time NBA greats from NY..Harvey wrote an article bashing Melo saying that in the presence of such greatness Melo belongs on the bench..Care to explain the fodder provided??..U can look up the article..

This is quite possibly the strangest non argument I have ever read.

I'll make a note of that when I start taking your commentaries seriously..


I didn't get your point either. You're saying Harvey is discredited because he didn't think Melo should be an all-star starter?

I think it's plain as day..All Star weekend Melo hosted a luncheon for NBA all time greats..Dr. J, Nat Archibald, Clyde, etc at Jacob Javits..This prompted an attack from Harvey writing an article saying in the presence of such greatness Melo deserves to be on the bench..I don't think it complimentary..It's being said that Melo provides fodder for such attacks..I would like to know what fodder prompted that attack..

How u draw Melo not starting at the all star game from that, I don't know...


"Belongs on the bench" means "not a starter," right?
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7/16/2015  8:54 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
holfresh wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:Harvey Araton has been coming at Melo for a long time now..Why is this article getting people excited?

we can't just discredit each guy who comes after Melo. Perhaps there is some truth to some of it?

Exactly, he is "coming at Melo" because Melo provides ample fodder for writers, fans, whomever to come at him with. Carmelo seems to constantly say and do the wrong things at the wrong time all while not seemingly understanding that taking the money in NY was he himself setting his own destiny in stone.

All Star weekend, Melo hosted a luncheon for all time NBA greats from NY..Harvey wrote an article bashing Melo saying that in the presence of such greatness Melo belongs on the bench..Care to explain the fodder provided??..U can look up the article..

This is quite possibly the strangest non argument I have ever read.

I'll make a note of that when I start taking your commentaries seriously..


I didn't get your point either. You're saying Harvey is discredited because he didn't think Melo should be an all-star starter?

I think it's plain as day..All Star weekend Melo hosted a luncheon for NBA all time greats..Dr. J, Nat Archibald, Clyde, etc at Jacob Javits..This prompted an attack from Harvey writing an article saying in the presence of such greatness Melo deserves to be on the bench..I don't think it complimentary..It's being said that Melo provides fodder for such attacks..I would like to know what fodder prompted that attack..

How u draw Melo not starting at the all star game from that, I don't know...


"Belongs on the bench" means "not a starter," right?

At a luncheon?

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holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
holfresh wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:Harvey Araton has been coming at Melo for a long time now..Why is this article getting people excited?

we can't just discredit each guy who comes after Melo. Perhaps there is some truth to some of it?

Exactly, he is "coming at Melo" because Melo provides ample fodder for writers, fans, whomever to come at him with. Carmelo seems to constantly say and do the wrong things at the wrong time all while not seemingly understanding that taking the money in NY was he himself setting his own destiny in stone.

All Star weekend, Melo hosted a luncheon for all time NBA greats from NY..Harvey wrote an article bashing Melo saying that in the presence of such greatness Melo belongs on the bench..Care to explain the fodder provided??..U can look up the article..

This is quite possibly the strangest non argument I have ever read.

I'll make a note of that when I start taking your commentaries seriously..


I didn't get your point either. You're saying Harvey is discredited because he didn't think Melo should be an all-star starter?

I think it's plain as day..All Star weekend Melo hosted a luncheon for NBA all time greats..Dr. J, Nat Archibald, Clyde, etc at Jacob Javits..This prompted an attack from Harvey writing an article saying in the presence of such greatness Melo deserves to be on the bench..I don't think it complimentary..It's being said that Melo provides fodder for such attacks..I would like to know what fodder prompted that attack..

How u draw Melo not starting at the all star game from that, I don't know...


"Belongs on the bench" means "not a starter," right?

At a luncheon?


for the luncheon or all-star weekend? I'd have to see the quote. I don't get how any of this would discredit him any way. Being a critic of Melo is inherently discrediting?
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7/16/2015  9:25 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
holfresh wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:Harvey Araton has been coming at Melo for a long time now..Why is this article getting people excited?

we can't just discredit each guy who comes after Melo. Perhaps there is some truth to some of it?

Exactly, he is "coming at Melo" because Melo provides ample fodder for writers, fans, whomever to come at him with. Carmelo seems to constantly say and do the wrong things at the wrong time all while not seemingly understanding that taking the money in NY was he himself setting his own destiny in stone.

All Star weekend, Melo hosted a luncheon for all time NBA greats from NY..Harvey wrote an article bashing Melo saying that in the presence of such greatness Melo belongs on the bench..Care to explain the fodder provided??..U can look up the article..

This is quite possibly the strangest non argument I have ever read.

I'll make a note of that when I start taking your commentaries seriously..


I didn't get your point either. You're saying Harvey is discredited because he didn't think Melo should be an all-star starter?

I think it's plain as day..All Star weekend Melo hosted a luncheon for NBA all time greats..Dr. J, Nat Archibald, Clyde, etc at Jacob Javits..This prompted an attack from Harvey writing an article saying in the presence of such greatness Melo deserves to be on the bench..I don't think it complimentary..It's being said that Melo provides fodder for such attacks..I would like to know what fodder prompted that attack..

How u draw Melo not starting at the all star game from that, I don't know...

Not sure you understood what the article was about, so I was nice enough to find it for you or anyone else who wants to read it.

This is the article you're talking about...He is taking about Anthony figuratively being on the "bench" because he does not deserve to be seen in the same way as these NY linked ball players...

...has absolutely nothing to do with him starting in the actual All-Star game.

A Lineup of New York Icons, With Carmelo Anthony on the Bench

Inside the Javits Center complex on the windy, frigid West Side of Manhattan on Sunday morning, there was genuine warmth for the N.B.A. legends most identified as belonging to New York. None of them were named Carmelo Anthony.

All of those former stars could flash championship rings, though for some who never were among the last men standing in June — Chris Mullin and Bernard King, to name two — it was more about the roots.

In their collective career stories is a compelling history of the city game and a fair amount of brotherly love. The talkative Kenny Smith of Queens didn’t brag about the two mid-1990s titles he won with the Houston Rockets, but he sure didn’t mind sharing that he had attended Frazier’s basketball camp as a 9-year-old, competed in a tournament run by Archibald, played against Mullin in high school and worn King’s No. 30 for much of his career.

During a panel discussion of born-and-bred New Yorkers and one (Frazier) adopted from Atlanta, Mullin, a Brooklyn native, had the crowd chuckling over recollections of having needed peer chaperones to and from the subway when he ventured uptown to the Rucker League from his home in Flatbush until he had a couple of decent games.

“When I got really good, I started hanging out in Harlem,” he said.

The pros don’t do much mingling with the schoolyard masses anymore, least of all the max money players like Anthony, who labored stiffly through a 30-minute, 14-point showing as the Western Conference defeated the East, 163-158, on Sunday night at Madison Square Garden.

Anthony spent his early years in the Red Hook neighborhood of Brooklyn before moving to Baltimore. Wanting to be a homecoming king upon his arrival in New York in early 2011, Anthony spoke of his reverence for the one-man fast break known as Bernard, even if the timeline suggested that Anthony, born in 1984, came of spectator age when King was enjoying his last scoring binges with the Washington Bullets.

In our all-or-nothing culture, people too often link career legitimacy to the claiming of at least one championship ring, although the New York fan base and news media never blamed King for the failure of his Knicks teams to advance beyond the second round of the playoffs. The city certainly celebrates — in retrospect, at least — Patrick Ewing’s titleless years with the Knicks.

So why has Anthony become such a polarizing figure in these parts? Why would many longtime season-ticket holders have enthusiastically volunteered to escort him to the city limits when he was flirting with other teams as a free agent last summer? Why is there such strong sentiment that the Knicks will never be true contenders with Anthony as their leading man?

Part of the disenchantment is no doubt related to the Knicks’ uninspiring play since Anthony arrived as a much-heralded savior. The team will conclude this season owning one series victory for the last five playoff seasons, and two straight years of finishing out of the postseason.

Unlike King, who dominated high school gymnasiums while at Fort Hamilton High in Brooklyn, Anthony has a relationship with New York that has seemed contrived, born more of self-interest — he forced the Knicks to surrender multiple assets to get him rather than wait out a season and a labor dispute — than a desire to be part of a special group.

Anthony’s most transcendent New York night — he broke King’s single-game Knicks scoring record with a 62-point explosion in January 2014 in a blowout of a defenseless Charlotte team — in some ways reflected what critics have complained about most, the sense that it’s always about him.

Some of the carping has amounted to radio static, excess noise, especially the overblown controversy of Anthony’s desire to play in Sunday night’s starfest after missing regular-season games with a barking knee that will most likely require shutting down soon for minor surgery.

Yes, money and visibility were his primary reasons for staying in New York, but this season’s collapse is more on the team’s president, Phil Jackson, than it is on Anthony. There was no harm, no foul, in his wanting to have a little fun with LeBron James and other Olympic team buddies. His knee may have hurt but right arm, aim aside, was fine. He took 20 shots, made 6.

To make the night a complete loss, the first questions directed at Anthony in the interview room were about the Knicks’ buyout of Amar’e Stoudemire.

“Not going to ask me about the weekend?” he said.

Anthony is, for the most part, an amicable fellow, often trying to please reporters by telling them what they want to hear (yes, of course, he would be recruiting prospective free agents over the weekend, as if he could have any real say in the matter).

Jackson has bet heavily on Anthony in his 30s evolving into a less-is-more performer, using experiences good and bad to make himself a player with more purpose. Paul Pierce had that epiphany in Boston, but only Jackson can provide Anthony with the necessary collaborators, his Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett.

If Jackson can, it will be Anthony’s job to prove once and for all that he is not merely a quintessential showcase player, a square peg trying to fit into a triangle. He will need to show that he can grow, that he can share, as Frazier did with the 1970s Knicks.

“It was his basketball,” Reed said of the cool man nicknamed Clyde after receiving an award Sunday. “When he let us play with it, we became a great team.”

Twenty years from now, at another legends brunch, Anthony may be remembered fondly as a prodigious-scoring New Yorker. But he has work to do, because he doesn’t have the city pedigree of King, who carried his Knicks in a seven-game war against Larry Bird and the Boston Celtics, the eventual champions, in 1984. Though Anthony won an N.C.A.A. title upstate at Syracuse, he never electrified the Garden the way Mullin did as the hometown kid at St. John’s.

Anthony has plenty of time left but a long way to go before a unified New York warms up to him as a true local legend.

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7/16/2015  9:26 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
holfresh wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:Harvey Araton has been coming at Melo for a long time now..Why is this article getting people excited?

we can't just discredit each guy who comes after Melo. Perhaps there is some truth to some of it?

Exactly, he is "coming at Melo" because Melo provides ample fodder for writers, fans, whomever to come at him with. Carmelo seems to constantly say and do the wrong things at the wrong time all while not seemingly understanding that taking the money in NY was he himself setting his own destiny in stone.

All Star weekend, Melo hosted a luncheon for all time NBA greats from NY..Harvey wrote an article bashing Melo saying that in the presence of such greatness Melo belongs on the bench..Care to explain the fodder provided??..U can look up the article..

This is quite possibly the strangest non argument I have ever read.

I'll make a note of that when I start taking your commentaries seriously..


I didn't get your point either. You're saying Harvey is discredited because he didn't think Melo should be an all-star starter?

I think it's plain as day..All Star weekend Melo hosted a luncheon for NBA all time greats..Dr. J, Nat Archibald, Clyde, etc at Jacob Javits..This prompted an attack from Harvey writing an article saying in the presence of such greatness Melo deserves to be on the bench..I don't think it complimentary..It's being said that Melo provides fodder for such attacks..I would like to know what fodder prompted that attack..

How u draw Melo not starting at the all star game from that, I don't know...


"Belongs on the bench" means "not a starter," right?

At a luncheon?


for the luncheon or all-star weekend? I'd have to see the quote. I don't get how any of this would discredit him any way. Being a critic of Melo is inherently discrediting?

What he was saying is that Melo is not in these class of player..He mentioned the great players that Melo hosted and said what he said..My point is that an unbiased reporter might have said Melo did a nice gesture being a host of the event..

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7/16/2015  9:28 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
holfresh wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:Harvey Araton has been coming at Melo for a long time now..Why is this article getting people excited?

we can't just discredit each guy who comes after Melo. Perhaps there is some truth to some of it?

Exactly, he is "coming at Melo" because Melo provides ample fodder for writers, fans, whomever to come at him with. Carmelo seems to constantly say and do the wrong things at the wrong time all while not seemingly understanding that taking the money in NY was he himself setting his own destiny in stone.

All Star weekend, Melo hosted a luncheon for all time NBA greats from NY..Harvey wrote an article bashing Melo saying that in the presence of such greatness Melo belongs on the bench..Care to explain the fodder provided??..U can look up the article..

This is quite possibly the strangest non argument I have ever read.

I'll make a note of that when I start taking your commentaries seriously..


I didn't get your point either. You're saying Harvey is discredited because he didn't think Melo should be an all-star starter?

I think it's plain as day..All Star weekend Melo hosted a luncheon for NBA all time greats..Dr. J, Nat Archibald, Clyde, etc at Jacob Javits..This prompted an attack from Harvey writing an article saying in the presence of such greatness Melo deserves to be on the bench..I don't think it complimentary..It's being said that Melo provides fodder for such attacks..I would like to know what fodder prompted that attack..

How u draw Melo not starting at the all star game from that, I don't know...

Not sure you understood what the article was about, so I was nice enough to find it for you or anyone else who wants to read it.

This is the article you're talking about...He is taking about Anthony figuratively being on the "bench" because he does not deserve to be seen in the same way as these NY linked ball players...

...has absolutely nothing to do with him starting in the actual All-Star game.

A Lineup of New York Icons, With Carmelo Anthony on the Bench

Inside the Javits Center complex on the windy, frigid West Side of Manhattan on Sunday morning, there was genuine warmth for the N.B.A. legends most identified as belonging to New York. None of them were named Carmelo Anthony.

All of those former stars could flash championship rings, though for some who never were among the last men standing in June — Chris Mullin and Bernard King, to name two — it was more about the roots.

In their collective career stories is a compelling history of the city game and a fair amount of brotherly love. The talkative Kenny Smith of Queens didn’t brag about the two mid-1990s titles he won with the Houston Rockets, but he sure didn’t mind sharing that he had attended Frazier’s basketball camp as a 9-year-old, competed in a tournament run by Archibald, played against Mullin in high school and worn King’s No. 30 for much of his career.

During a panel discussion of born-and-bred New Yorkers and one (Frazier) adopted from Atlanta, Mullin, a Brooklyn native, had the crowd chuckling over recollections of having needed peer chaperones to and from the subway when he ventured uptown to the Rucker League from his home in Flatbush until he had a couple of decent games.

“When I got really good, I started hanging out in Harlem,” he said.

The pros don’t do much mingling with the schoolyard masses anymore, least of all the max money players like Anthony, who labored stiffly through a 30-minute, 14-point showing as the Western Conference defeated the East, 163-158, on Sunday night at Madison Square Garden.

Anthony spent his early years in the Red Hook neighborhood of Brooklyn before moving to Baltimore. Wanting to be a homecoming king upon his arrival in New York in early 2011, Anthony spoke of his reverence for the one-man fast break known as Bernard, even if the timeline suggested that Anthony, born in 1984, came of spectator age when King was enjoying his last scoring binges with the Washington Bullets.

In our all-or-nothing culture, people too often link career legitimacy to the claiming of at least one championship ring, although the New York fan base and news media never blamed King for the failure of his Knicks teams to advance beyond the second round of the playoffs. The city certainly celebrates — in retrospect, at least — Patrick Ewing’s titleless years with the Knicks.

So why has Anthony become such a polarizing figure in these parts? Why would many longtime season-ticket holders have enthusiastically volunteered to escort him to the city limits when he was flirting with other teams as a free agent last summer? Why is there such strong sentiment that the Knicks will never be true contenders with Anthony as their leading man?

Part of the disenchantment is no doubt related to the Knicks’ uninspiring play since Anthony arrived as a much-heralded savior. The team will conclude this season owning one series victory for the last five playoff seasons, and two straight years of finishing out of the postseason.

Unlike King, who dominated high school gymnasiums while at Fort Hamilton High in Brooklyn, Anthony has a relationship with New York that has seemed contrived, born more of self-interest — he forced the Knicks to surrender multiple assets to get him rather than wait out a season and a labor dispute — than a desire to be part of a special group.

Anthony’s most transcendent New York night — he broke King’s single-game Knicks scoring record with a 62-point explosion in January 2014 in a blowout of a defenseless Charlotte team — in some ways reflected what critics have complained about most, the sense that it’s always about him.

Some of the carping has amounted to radio static, excess noise, especially the overblown controversy of Anthony’s desire to play in Sunday night’s starfest after missing regular-season games with a barking knee that will most likely require shutting down soon for minor surgery.

Yes, money and visibility were his primary reasons for staying in New York, but this season’s collapse is more on the team’s president, Phil Jackson, than it is on Anthony. There was no harm, no foul, in his wanting to have a little fun with LeBron James and other Olympic team buddies. His knee may have hurt but right arm, aim aside, was fine. He took 20 shots, made 6.

To make the night a complete loss, the first questions directed at Anthony in the interview room were about the Knicks’ buyout of Amar’e Stoudemire.

“Not going to ask me about the weekend?” he said.

Anthony is, for the most part, an amicable fellow, often trying to please reporters by telling them what they want to hear (yes, of course, he would be recruiting prospective free agents over the weekend, as if he could have any real say in the matter).

Jackson has bet heavily on Anthony in his 30s evolving into a less-is-more performer, using experiences good and bad to make himself a player with more purpose. Paul Pierce had that epiphany in Boston, but only Jackson can provide Anthony with the necessary collaborators, his Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett.

If Jackson can, it will be Anthony’s job to prove once and for all that he is not merely a quintessential showcase player, a square peg trying to fit into a triangle. He will need to show that he can grow, that he can share, as Frazier did with the 1970s Knicks.

“It was his basketball,” Reed said of the cool man nicknamed Clyde after receiving an award Sunday. “When he let us play with it, we became a great team.”

Twenty years from now, at another legends brunch, Anthony may be remembered fondly as a prodigious-scoring New Yorker. But he has work to do, because he doesn’t have the city pedigree of King, who carried his Knicks in a seven-game war against Larry Bird and the Boston Celtics, the eventual champions, in 1984. Though Anthony won an N.C.A.A. title upstate at Syracuse, he never electrified the Garden the way Mullin did as the hometown kid at St. John’s.

Anthony has plenty of time left but a long way to go before a unified New York warms up to him as a true local legend.


Isn't that what I said?
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7/16/2015  9:32 PM
holfresh wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
holfresh wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:Harvey Araton has been coming at Melo for a long time now..Why is this article getting people excited?

we can't just discredit each guy who comes after Melo. Perhaps there is some truth to some of it?

Exactly, he is "coming at Melo" because Melo provides ample fodder for writers, fans, whomever to come at him with. Carmelo seems to constantly say and do the wrong things at the wrong time all while not seemingly understanding that taking the money in NY was he himself setting his own destiny in stone.

All Star weekend, Melo hosted a luncheon for all time NBA greats from NY..Harvey wrote an article bashing Melo saying that in the presence of such greatness Melo belongs on the bench..Care to explain the fodder provided??..U can look up the article..

This is quite possibly the strangest non argument I have ever read.

I'll make a note of that when I start taking your commentaries seriously..


I didn't get your point either. You're saying Harvey is discredited because he didn't think Melo should be an all-star starter?

I think it's plain as day..All Star weekend Melo hosted a luncheon for NBA all time greats..Dr. J, Nat Archibald, Clyde, etc at Jacob Javits..This prompted an attack from Harvey writing an article saying in the presence of such greatness Melo deserves to be on the bench..I don't think it complimentary..It's being said that Melo provides fodder for such attacks..I would like to know what fodder prompted that attack..

How u draw Melo not starting at the all star game from that, I don't know...

Not sure you understood what the article was about, so I was nice enough to find it for you or anyone else who wants to read it.

This is the article you're talking about...He is taking about Anthony figuratively being on the "bench" because he does not deserve to be seen in the same way as these NY linked ball players...

...has absolutely nothing to do with him starting in the actual All-Star game.

A Lineup of New York Icons, With Carmelo Anthony on the Bench

Inside the Javits Center complex on the windy, frigid West Side of Manhattan on Sunday morning, there was genuine warmth for the N.B.A. legends most identified as belonging to New York. None of them were named Carmelo Anthony.

All of those former stars could flash championship rings, though for some who never were among the last men standing in June — Chris Mullin and Bernard King, to name two — it was more about the roots.

In their collective career stories is a compelling history of the city game and a fair amount of brotherly love. The talkative Kenny Smith of Queens didn’t brag about the two mid-1990s titles he won with the Houston Rockets, but he sure didn’t mind sharing that he had attended Frazier’s basketball camp as a 9-year-old, competed in a tournament run by Archibald, played against Mullin in high school and worn King’s No. 30 for much of his career.

During a panel discussion of born-and-bred New Yorkers and one (Frazier) adopted from Atlanta, Mullin, a Brooklyn native, had the crowd chuckling over recollections of having needed peer chaperones to and from the subway when he ventured uptown to the Rucker League from his home in Flatbush until he had a couple of decent games.

“When I got really good, I started hanging out in Harlem,” he said.

The pros don’t do much mingling with the schoolyard masses anymore, least of all the max money players like Anthony, who labored stiffly through a 30-minute, 14-point showing as the Western Conference defeated the East, 163-158, on Sunday night at Madison Square Garden.

Anthony spent his early years in the Red Hook neighborhood of Brooklyn before moving to Baltimore. Wanting to be a homecoming king upon his arrival in New York in early 2011, Anthony spoke of his reverence for the one-man fast break known as Bernard, even if the timeline suggested that Anthony, born in 1984, came of spectator age when King was enjoying his last scoring binges with the Washington Bullets.

In our all-or-nothing culture, people too often link career legitimacy to the claiming of at least one championship ring, although the New York fan base and news media never blamed King for the failure of his Knicks teams to advance beyond the second round of the playoffs. The city certainly celebrates — in retrospect, at least — Patrick Ewing’s titleless years with the Knicks.

So why has Anthony become such a polarizing figure in these parts? Why would many longtime season-ticket holders have enthusiastically volunteered to escort him to the city limits when he was flirting with other teams as a free agent last summer? Why is there such strong sentiment that the Knicks will never be true contenders with Anthony as their leading man?

Part of the disenchantment is no doubt related to the Knicks’ uninspiring play since Anthony arrived as a much-heralded savior. The team will conclude this season owning one series victory for the last five playoff seasons, and two straight years of finishing out of the postseason.

Unlike King, who dominated high school gymnasiums while at Fort Hamilton High in Brooklyn, Anthony has a relationship with New York that has seemed contrived, born more of self-interest — he forced the Knicks to surrender multiple assets to get him rather than wait out a season and a labor dispute — than a desire to be part of a special group.

Anthony’s most transcendent New York night — he broke King’s single-game Knicks scoring record with a 62-point explosion in January 2014 in a blowout of a defenseless Charlotte team — in some ways reflected what critics have complained about most, the sense that it’s always about him.

Some of the carping has amounted to radio static, excess noise, especially the overblown controversy of Anthony’s desire to play in Sunday night’s starfest after missing regular-season games with a barking knee that will most likely require shutting down soon for minor surgery.

Yes, money and visibility were his primary reasons for staying in New York, but this season’s collapse is more on the team’s president, Phil Jackson, than it is on Anthony. There was no harm, no foul, in his wanting to have a little fun with LeBron James and other Olympic team buddies. His knee may have hurt but right arm, aim aside, was fine. He took 20 shots, made 6.

To make the night a complete loss, the first questions directed at Anthony in the interview room were about the Knicks’ buyout of Amar’e Stoudemire.

“Not going to ask me about the weekend?” he said.

Anthony is, for the most part, an amicable fellow, often trying to please reporters by telling them what they want to hear (yes, of course, he would be recruiting prospective free agents over the weekend, as if he could have any real say in the matter).

Jackson has bet heavily on Anthony in his 30s evolving into a less-is-more performer, using experiences good and bad to make himself a player with more purpose. Paul Pierce had that epiphany in Boston, but only Jackson can provide Anthony with the necessary collaborators, his Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett.

If Jackson can, it will be Anthony’s job to prove once and for all that he is not merely a quintessential showcase player, a square peg trying to fit into a triangle. He will need to show that he can grow, that he can share, as Frazier did with the 1970s Knicks.

“It was his basketball,” Reed said of the cool man nicknamed Clyde after receiving an award Sunday. “When he let us play with it, we became a great team.”

Twenty years from now, at another legends brunch, Anthony may be remembered fondly as a prodigious-scoring New Yorker. But he has work to do, because he doesn’t have the city pedigree of King, who carried his Knicks in a seven-game war against Larry Bird and the Boston Celtics, the eventual champions, in 1984. Though Anthony won an N.C.A.A. title upstate at Syracuse, he never electrified the Garden the way Mullin did as the hometown kid at St. John’s.

Anthony has plenty of time left but a long way to go before a unified New York warms up to him as a true local legend.


Isn't that what I said?

When you said "U" were you talking about Bonn or Araton?- Very confusing the way you wrote it. You could have been referring to Araton.

I think it's plain as day..All Star weekend Melo hosted a luncheon for NBA all time greats..Dr. J, Nat Archibald, Clyde, etc at Jacob Javits..This prompted an attack from Harvey writing an article saying in the presence of such greatness Melo deserves to be on the bench..I don't think it complimentary..It's being said that Melo provides fodder for such attacks..I would like to know what fodder prompted that attack..

How u draw Melo not starting at the all star game from that, I don't know...

If you were saying it to Bonn, then there is no issue from my perspective. Just the ex-teacher in me, I suppose.

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