TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:I post plenty of things outside of season predictions that have value.

I've said this before, you'd probably get less friction if you spent some time reading up on why NBA trades happen ( not from this board, but from paid analysts in established publications), NBA Draft History and the current CBA.

You'd also probably get less friction if you didn't condescend to others who don't agree with you but aren't actively gunning for you. A lot of times, you don't respect other people's views, sometimes even basic facts, and hide behind this veil of "optimism" If you were just giving some back and forth to some of the regular board cretins, then ok, so what, but you take it further than that.

Unless you have Aspergers, I simply can't see any one single person who participates here as much as you do, follow the game as much as you do and be that oblivious to how the NBA actually operates. I agree with Splat that you're a soft cover shill/troll to generate participation in general.

That's my take on it, do what you want.

Personally I find nixluva's comments a hell of a lot closer to reality than yours which I think often are just fantasy league chatter or gamer talk. You believe there are strict rules and everyone in the league is a cardboard caricature of ESPN highlight reels. And you disregard how full of sh@t many "paid analysts" are [Barkley, Berman, Isola, hard to name a credible neutral source].

A year ago had anyone like nixluva or myself suggested that Afflalo were an attainable talent and we would be mocked because the Knicks "could never" get someone like Afflalo! Crazy idea. Go back a couple more months and someone like Derrick Williams was equally pie-in-the-sky thinking because armchair experts like yourself have zero imagination and any such thought breaks the prison rules in your mind.

Furthermore a vast majority of you and your peers have the misfortune of being imprinted with grading Phil and grading moves and all that kind of worthless crap inherited from school and the beer binge/baby talk commentaries on ESPN.

And you have also been imprinted by the mainstream "paid analysts" to be a cynical and jaded anti-fan of the team. Like Lemmings who can't wait to jump over the cliff at every excuse for hate or criticism you jump. And now you're attacking a fan who looks at what's happening with hope instead of hate or school marm "grades" and accuse them of being a shill.

You need to broaden your own horizons more than a little bit.

Close your eyes because there's some shill-talk following.

I happen to think Phil is empirically smarter than the paid analysts. I hope you and the haters don't commit suicide because someone points this out. Phil isn't signing players to fill out the roster with worthless bodies either.

So what are the Phil and the Knicks thinking? Glad you asked.

After decades of chasing marquee players, they are now chasing players who may develop some chemistry [there's never a guarantee]. They are also minding a budget. The Knicks have taken a step back from the stupid-loop of getting stuck with everyone else's high-priced duds just because NY could afford it [Dolan would get blamed for being rich, stupid, and arrogant].

Of the FA bigmen that NY ever had a legitimate shot at acquiring only Monroe went elsewhere. Robin Lopez was the best of the bigmen and Phil in fact secured him.

More entertainingly, Dwayne Wade who wanted to stage a drama queen flight to someone else other than the Heat found that the whipping boy Knicks had ZERO interest and so he scrambled around and realized he was going nowhere for yet another year - NBA karma is a bitch. Wall St. banker David West whose financial advisors must include Latrell Sprewell refused to resign foe $12M and then proceeded to insult the Knicks as if they ever had any intention of signing him. Genius.

Afflalo hasn't been motivated in the past few years but he's still got some prime years left. Let's assume he will perform better than the JR/Shump/Hardaway train wreck of last year.

DWill and O'Quinn are two bigmen who have yet to hit their stride. It can take five or six years for guys like this to click but it happens and taking a chance will do no harm to the Knicks.

Phil isn't done. And rather than a grade, let's talk about the transformation of talent. Assuming good health, this current crop of Knicks look to be high-flyers. Call me a shill but I like what we have and believe *this* looks more like a playoff team than last year's squad ever did.

fwk00 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:I post plenty of things outside of season predictions that have value.

I've said this before, you'd probably get less friction if you spent some time reading up on why NBA trades happen ( not from this board, but from paid analysts in established publications), NBA Draft History and the current CBA.

You'd also probably get less friction if you didn't condescend to others who don't agree with you but aren't actively gunning for you. A lot of times, you don't respect other people's views, sometimes even basic facts, and hide behind this veil of "optimism" If you were just giving some back and forth to some of the regular board cretins, then ok, so what, but you take it further than that.

Unless you have Aspergers, I simply can't see any one single person who participates here as much as you do, follow the game as much as you do and be that oblivious to how the NBA actually operates. I agree with Splat that you're a soft cover shill/troll to generate participation in general.

That's my take on it, do what you want.

Personally I find nixluva's comments a hell of a lot closer to reality than yours which I think often are just fantasy league chatter or gamer talk. You believe there are strict rules and everyone in the league is a cardboard caricature of ESPN highlight reels. And you disregard how full of sh@t many "paid analysts" are [Barkley, Berman, Isola, hard to name a credible neutral source].

A year ago had anyone like nixluva or myself suggested that Afflalo were an attainable talent and we would be mocked because the Knicks "could never" get someone like Afflalo! Crazy idea. Go back a couple more months and someone like Derrick Williams was equally pie-in-the-sky thinking because armchair experts like yourself have zero imagination and any such thought breaks the prison rules in your mind.

Furthermore a vast majority of you and your peers have the misfortune of being imprinted with grading Phil and grading moves and all that kind of worthless crap inherited from school and the beer binge/baby talk commentaries on ESPN.

And you have also been imprinted by the mainstream "paid analysts" to be a cynical and jaded anti-fan of the team. Like Lemmings who can't wait to jump over the cliff at every excuse for hate or criticism you jump. And now you're attacking a fan who looks at what's happening with hope instead of hate or school marm "grades" and accuse them of being a shill.

You need to broaden your own horizons more than a little bit.

Close your eyes because there's some shill-talk following.

I happen to think Phil is empirically smarter than the paid analysts. I hope you and the haters don't commit suicide because someone points this out. Phil isn't signing players to fill out the roster with worthless bodies either.

So what are the Phil and the Knicks thinking? Glad you asked.

After decades of chasing marquee players, they are now chasing players who may develop some chemistry [there's never a guarantee]. They are also minding a budget. The Knicks have taken a step back from the stupid-loop of getting stuck with everyone else's high-priced duds just because NY could afford it [Dolan would get blamed for being rich, stupid, and arrogant].

Of the FA bigmen that NY ever had a legitimate shot at acquiring only Monroe went elsewhere. Robin Lopez was the best of the bigmen and Phil in fact secured him.

More entertainingly, Dwayne Wade who wanted to stage a drama queen flight to someone else other than the Heat found that the whipping boy Knicks had ZERO interest and so he scrambled around and realized he was going nowhere for yet another year - NBA karma is a bitch. Wall St. banker David West whose financial advisors must include Latrell Sprewell refused to resign foe $12M and then proceeded to insult the Knicks as if they ever had any intention of signing him. Genius.

Afflalo hasn't been motivated in the past few years but he's still got some prime years left. Let's assume he will perform better than the JR/Shump/Hardaway train wreck of last year.

DWill and O'Quinn are two bigmen who have yet to hit their stride. It can take five or six years for guys like this to click but it happens and taking a chance will do no harm to the Knicks.

Phil isn't done. And rather than a grade, let's talk about the transformation of talent. Assuming good health, this current crop of Knicks look to be high-flyers. Call me a shill but I like what we have and believe *this* looks more like a playoff team than last year's squad ever did.

It's really a waste of time for msg to plant people like you fwk00 you're getting paid for nothing. No real fan would EVER write a post like that I mean it's rather insulting to everyone's intelligence. Jim Dolan and his cronies have personally been posting on this board for years so why would he be paying you. The only people who deserve compensation is Andrew and Martin because they give everyone nice platform to express their views and don't run it like realm runs theirs. I don't care if you post here as a fan fake but these posts are ridiculous and a waste of everyone s time. I think if you are friendly reasonable courteous and stay within the rules you should be able to express a positive or negative sentiment within reason. Accept that some people are negative for a reason perhaps they don't believe this offseason was very good whatever--why can't a person express their views calling someone a drunk is offensive and borderline ludicrous.

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:I post plenty of things outside of season predictions that have value.

I've said this before, you'd probably get less friction if you spent some time reading up on why NBA trades happen ( not from this board, but from paid analysts in established publications), NBA Draft History and the current CBA.

You'd also probably get less friction if you didn't condescend to others who don't agree with you but aren't actively gunning for you. A lot of times, you don't respect other people's views, sometimes even basic facts, and hide behind this veil of "optimism" If you were just giving some back and forth to some of the regular board cretins, then ok, so what, but you take it further than that.

Unless you have Aspergers, I simply can't see any one single person who participates here as much as you do, follow the game as much as you do and be that oblivious to how the NBA actually operates. I agree with Splat that you're a soft cover shill/troll to generate participation in general.

That's my take on it, do what you want.

Personally I find nixluva's comments a hell of a lot closer to reality than yours which I think often are just fantasy league chatter or gamer talk. You believe there are strict rules and everyone in the league is a cardboard caricature of ESPN highlight reels. And you disregard how full of sh@t many "paid analysts" are [Barkley, Berman, Isola, hard to name a credible neutral source].

A year ago had anyone like nixluva or myself suggested that Afflalo were an attainable talent and we would be mocked because the Knicks "could never" get someone like Afflalo! Crazy idea. Go back a couple more months and someone like Derrick Williams was equally pie-in-the-sky thinking because armchair experts like yourself have zero imagination and any such thought breaks the prison rules in your mind.

Furthermore a vast majority of you and your peers have the misfortune of being imprinted with grading Phil and grading moves and all that kind of worthless crap inherited from school and the beer binge/baby talk commentaries on ESPN.

And you have also been imprinted by the mainstream "paid analysts" to be a cynical and jaded anti-fan of the team. Like Lemmings who can't wait to jump over the cliff at every excuse for hate or criticism you jump. And now you're attacking a fan who looks at what's happening with hope instead of hate or school marm "grades" and accuse them of being a shill.

You need to broaden your own horizons more than a little bit.

Close your eyes because there's some shill-talk following.

I happen to think Phil is empirically smarter than the paid analysts. I hope you and the haters don't commit suicide because someone points this out. Phil isn't signing players to fill out the roster with worthless bodies either.

So what are the Phil and the Knicks thinking? Glad you asked.

After decades of chasing marquee players, they are now chasing players who may develop some chemistry [there's never a guarantee]. They are also minding a budget. The Knicks have taken a step back from the stupid-loop of getting stuck with everyone else's high-priced duds just because NY could afford it [Dolan would get blamed for being rich, stupid, and arrogant].

Of the FA bigmen that NY ever had a legitimate shot at acquiring only Monroe went elsewhere. Robin Lopez was the best of the bigmen and Phil in fact secured him.

More entertainingly, Dwayne Wade who wanted to stage a drama queen flight to someone else other than the Heat found that the whipping boy Knicks had ZERO interest and so he scrambled around and realized he was going nowhere for yet another year - NBA karma is a bitch. Wall St. banker David West whose financial advisors must include Latrell Sprewell refused to resign foe $12M and then proceeded to insult the Knicks as if they ever had any intention of signing him. Genius.

Afflalo hasn't been motivated in the past few years but he's still got some prime years left. Let's assume he will perform better than the JR/Shump/Hardaway train wreck of last year.

DWill and O'Quinn are two bigmen who have yet to hit their stride. It can take five or six years for guys like this to click but it happens and taking a chance will do no harm to the Knicks.

Phil isn't done. And rather than a grade, let's talk about the transformation of talent. Assuming good health, this current crop of Knicks look to be high-flyers. Call me a shill but I like what we have and believe *this* looks more like a playoff team than last year's squad ever did.

It's really a waste of time for msg to plant people like you fwk00 you're getting paid for nothing. No real fan would EVER write a post like that I mean it's rather insulting to everyone's intelligence. Jim Dolan and his cronies have personally been posting on this board for years so why would he be paying you. The only people who deserve compensation is Andrew and Martin because they give everyone nice platform to express their views and don't run it like realm runs theirs. I don't care if you post here as a fan fake but these posts are ridiculous and a waste of everyone s time. I think if you are friendly reasonable courteous and stay within the rules you should be able to express a positive or negative sentiment within reason. Accept that some people are negative for a reason perhaps they don't believe this offseason was very good whatever--why can't a person express their views calling someone a drunk is offensive and borderline ludicrous.

Some people are just more optimistic than you, man- it's not a conspiracy. You guaranteed we'd trade the pick for Durant, that we were drafting WCS etc and you were wrong. That's just your more anxious outlook. Nothing wrong with that, but just realize not everyone shares it, and it doesn't make them Dolan or a mouth piece for the organization.

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:I post plenty of things outside of season predictions that have value.

I've said this before, you'd probably get less friction if you spent some time reading up on why NBA trades happen ( not from this board, but from paid analysts in established publications), NBA Draft History and the current CBA.

You'd also probably get less friction if you didn't condescend to others who don't agree with you but aren't actively gunning for you. A lot of times, you don't respect other people's views, sometimes even basic facts, and hide behind this veil of "optimism" If you were just giving some back and forth to some of the regular board cretins, then ok, so what, but you take it further than that.

Unless you have Aspergers, I simply can't see any one single person who participates here as much as you do, follow the game as much as you do and be that oblivious to how the NBA actually operates. I agree with Splat that you're a soft cover shill/troll to generate participation in general.

That's my take on it, do what you want.

Personally I find nixluva's comments a hell of a lot closer to reality than yours which I think often are just fantasy league chatter or gamer talk. You believe there are strict rules and everyone in the league is a cardboard caricature of ESPN highlight reels. And you disregard how full of sh@t many "paid analysts" are [Barkley, Berman, Isola, hard to name a credible neutral source].

A year ago had anyone like nixluva or myself suggested that Afflalo were an attainable talent and we would be mocked because the Knicks "could never" get someone like Afflalo! Crazy idea. Go back a couple more months and someone like Derrick Williams was equally pie-in-the-sky thinking because armchair experts like yourself have zero imagination and any such thought breaks the prison rules in your mind.

Furthermore a vast majority of you and your peers have the misfortune of being imprinted with grading Phil and grading moves and all that kind of worthless crap inherited from school and the beer binge/baby talk commentaries on ESPN.

And you have also been imprinted by the mainstream "paid analysts" to be a cynical and jaded anti-fan of the team. Like Lemmings who can't wait to jump over the cliff at every excuse for hate or criticism you jump. And now you're attacking a fan who looks at what's happening with hope instead of hate or school marm "grades" and accuse them of being a shill.

You need to broaden your own horizons more than a little bit.

Close your eyes because there's some shill-talk following.

I happen to think Phil is empirically smarter than the paid analysts. I hope you and the haters don't commit suicide because someone points this out. Phil isn't signing players to fill out the roster with worthless bodies either.

So what are the Phil and the Knicks thinking? Glad you asked.

After decades of chasing marquee players, they are now chasing players who may develop some chemistry [there's never a guarantee]. They are also minding a budget. The Knicks have taken a step back from the stupid-loop of getting stuck with everyone else's high-priced duds just because NY could afford it [Dolan would get blamed for being rich, stupid, and arrogant].

Of the FA bigmen that NY ever had a legitimate shot at acquiring only Monroe went elsewhere. Robin Lopez was the best of the bigmen and Phil in fact secured him.

More entertainingly, Dwayne Wade who wanted to stage a drama queen flight to someone else other than the Heat found that the whipping boy Knicks had ZERO interest and so he scrambled around and realized he was going nowhere for yet another year - NBA karma is a bitch. Wall St. banker David West whose financial advisors must include Latrell Sprewell refused to resign foe $12M and then proceeded to insult the Knicks as if they ever had any intention of signing him. Genius.

Afflalo hasn't been motivated in the past few years but he's still got some prime years left. Let's assume he will perform better than the JR/Shump/Hardaway train wreck of last year.

DWill and O'Quinn are two bigmen who have yet to hit their stride. It can take five or six years for guys like this to click but it happens and taking a chance will do no harm to the Knicks.

Phil isn't done. And rather than a grade, let's talk about the transformation of talent. Assuming good health, this current crop of Knicks look to be high-flyers. Call me a shill but I like what we have and believe *this* looks more like a playoff team than last year's squad ever did.

It's really a waste of time for msg to plant people like you fwk00 you're getting paid for nothing. No real fan would EVER write a post like that I mean it's rather insulting to everyone's intelligence. Jim Dolan and his cronies have personally been posting on this board for years so why would he be paying you. The only people who deserve compensation is Andrew and Martin because they give everyone nice platform to express their views and don't run it like realm runs theirs. I don't care if you post here as a fan fake but these posts are ridiculous and a waste of everyone s time. I think if you are friendly reasonable courteous and stay within the rules you should be able to express a positive or negative sentiment within reason. Accept that some people are negative for a reason perhaps they don't believe this offseason was very good whatever--why can't a person express their views calling someone a drunk is offensive and borderline ludicrous.

Some people are just more optimistic than you, man- it's not a conspiracy. You guaranteed we'd trade the pick for Durant, that we were drafting WCS etc and you were wrong. That's just your more anxious outlook. Nothing wrong with that, but just realize not everyone shares it, and it doesn't make them Dolan or a mouth piece for the organization.

Lol jimmy Dolan posts here he s just not obnoxious about it

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Giving Williams a quality chance is NOT a bad idea.. The price that we gave the chance even with the enhanced cap is high . We can't control that part so let's let it be and give the guy a chance. I would've signed him for 2 years 4 mm. 10 for me would've Been to steep

BRIGGS- please shed some light on what Phil was thinking here- I know you were high on him for a cheap contract, but I honestly can't see what he brings.

i want you to go up to basketball reference. Com and go look up his 36 per minute stats. Let's now take into consideration that he was a dominant cb player as a freshmen and pick 2 that he is 6-8 245 and was. All of 23 years old when I made that post. I equate it to what happened to d Carroll who was basically out of this league at the same time . A team saw something in him and tok a lower priced chance and look how well it worked out. With no risk there is no reward. Is 5 mm to high. yES but there were obviously other teams interested

I hope you're right! I don't see it happening, but it would be nice to have a gamble pay off

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:I post plenty of things outside of season predictions that have value.

I've said this before, you'd probably get less friction if you spent some time reading up on why NBA trades happen ( not from this board, but from paid analysts in established publications), NBA Draft History and the current CBA.

You'd also probably get less friction if you didn't condescend to others who don't agree with you but aren't actively gunning for you. A lot of times, you don't respect other people's views, sometimes even basic facts, and hide behind this veil of "optimism" If you were just giving some back and forth to some of the regular board cretins, then ok, so what, but you take it further than that.

Unless you have Aspergers, I simply can't see any one single person who participates here as much as you do, follow the game as much as you do and be that oblivious to how the NBA actually operates. I agree with Splat that you're a soft cover shill/troll to generate participation in general.

That's my take on it, do what you want.

Personally I find nixluva's comments a hell of a lot closer to reality than yours which I think often are just fantasy league chatter or gamer talk. You believe there are strict rules and everyone in the league is a cardboard caricature of ESPN highlight reels. And you disregard how full of sh@t many "paid analysts" are [Barkley, Berman, Isola, hard to name a credible neutral source].

A year ago had anyone like nixluva or myself suggested that Afflalo were an attainable talent and we would be mocked because the Knicks "could never" get someone like Afflalo! Crazy idea. Go back a couple more months and someone like Derrick Williams was equally pie-in-the-sky thinking because armchair experts like yourself have zero imagination and any such thought breaks the prison rules in your mind.

Furthermore a vast majority of you and your peers have the misfortune of being imprinted with grading Phil and grading moves and all that kind of worthless crap inherited from school and the beer binge/baby talk commentaries on ESPN.

And you have also been imprinted by the mainstream "paid analysts" to be a cynical and jaded anti-fan of the team. Like Lemmings who can't wait to jump over the cliff at every excuse for hate or criticism you jump. And now you're attacking a fan who looks at what's happening with hope instead of hate or school marm "grades" and accuse them of being a shill.

You need to broaden your own horizons more than a little bit.

Close your eyes because there's some shill-talk following.

I happen to think Phil is empirically smarter than the paid analysts. I hope you and the haters don't commit suicide because someone points this out. Phil isn't signing players to fill out the roster with worthless bodies either.

So what are the Phil and the Knicks thinking? Glad you asked.

After decades of chasing marquee players, they are now chasing players who may develop some chemistry [there's never a guarantee]. They are also minding a budget. The Knicks have taken a step back from the stupid-loop of getting stuck with everyone else's high-priced duds just because NY could afford it [Dolan would get blamed for being rich, stupid, and arrogant].

Of the FA bigmen that NY ever had a legitimate shot at acquiring only Monroe went elsewhere. Robin Lopez was the best of the bigmen and Phil in fact secured him.

More entertainingly, Dwayne Wade who wanted to stage a drama queen flight to someone else other than the Heat found that the whipping boy Knicks had ZERO interest and so he scrambled around and realized he was going nowhere for yet another year - NBA karma is a bitch. Wall St. banker David West whose financial advisors must include Latrell Sprewell refused to resign foe $12M and then proceeded to insult the Knicks as if they ever had any intention of signing him. Genius.

Afflalo hasn't been motivated in the past few years but he's still got some prime years left. Let's assume he will perform better than the JR/Shump/Hardaway train wreck of last year.

DWill and O'Quinn are two bigmen who have yet to hit their stride. It can take five or six years for guys like this to click but it happens and taking a chance will do no harm to the Knicks.

Phil isn't done. And rather than a grade, let's talk about the transformation of talent. Assuming good health, this current crop of Knicks look to be high-flyers. Call me a shill but I like what we have and believe *this* looks more like a playoff team than last year's squad ever did.

It's really a waste of time for msg to plant people like you fwk00 you're getting paid for nothing. No real fan would EVER write a post like that I mean it's rather insulting to everyone's intelligence. Jim Dolan and his cronies have personally been posting on this board for years so why would he be paying you. The only people who deserve compensation is Andrew and Martin because they give everyone nice platform to express their views and don't run it like realm runs theirs. I don't care if you post here as a fan fake but these posts are ridiculous and a waste of everyone s time. I think if you are friendly reasonable courteous and stay within the rules you should be able to express a positive or negative sentiment within reason. Accept that some people are negative for a reason perhaps they don't believe this offseason was very good whatever--why can't a person express their views calling someone a drunk is offensive and borderline ludicrous.

Some people are just more optimistic than you, man- it's not a conspiracy. You guaranteed we'd trade the pick for Durant, that we were drafting WCS etc and you were wrong. That's just your more anxious outlook. Nothing wrong with that, but just realize not everyone shares it, and it doesn't make them Dolan or a mouth piece for the organization.

Lol jimmy Dolan posts here he s just not obnoxious about it

I would find it funny if true, but I just don't see it! The only poster I was suspicious of was that 'Straightshot', but I thought they were more likely to be a joke rather than someone from the Knicks organization- I just don't think we're important enough!

Remember he took the time to email a season ticket holder. I wouldn't be surprised if he read this board.

crzymdups wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:I post plenty of things outside of season predictions that have value.

I've said this before, you'd probably get less friction if you spent some time reading up on why NBA trades happen ( not from this board, but from paid analysts in established publications), NBA Draft History and the current CBA.

You'd also probably get less friction if you didn't condescend to others who don't agree with you but aren't actively gunning for you. A lot of times, you don't respect other people's views, sometimes even basic facts, and hide behind this veil of "optimism" If you were just giving some back and forth to some of the regular board cretins, then ok, so what, but you take it further than that.

Unless you have Aspergers, I simply can't see any one single person who participates here as much as you do, follow the game as much as you do and be that oblivious to how the NBA actually operates. I agree with Splat that you're a soft cover shill/troll to generate participation in general.

That's my take on it, do what you want.

Personally I find nixluva's comments a hell of a lot closer to reality than yours which I think often are just fantasy league chatter or gamer talk. You believe there are strict rules and everyone in the league is a cardboard caricature of ESPN highlight reels. And you disregard how full of sh@t many "paid analysts" are [Barkley, Berman, Isola, hard to name a credible neutral source].

A year ago had anyone like nixluva or myself suggested that Afflalo were an attainable talent and we would be mocked because the Knicks "could never" get someone like Afflalo! Crazy idea. Go back a couple more months and someone like Derrick Williams was equally pie-in-the-sky thinking because armchair experts like yourself have zero imagination and any such thought breaks the prison rules in your mind.

Furthermore a vast majority of you and your peers have the misfortune of being imprinted with grading Phil and grading moves and all that kind of worthless crap inherited from school and the beer binge/baby talk commentaries on ESPN.

And you have also been imprinted by the mainstream "paid analysts" to be a cynical and jaded anti-fan of the team. Like Lemmings who can't wait to jump over the cliff at every excuse for hate or criticism you jump. And now you're attacking a fan who looks at what's happening with hope instead of hate or school marm "grades" and accuse them of being a shill.

You need to broaden your own horizons more than a little bit.

Close your eyes because there's some shill-talk following.

I happen to think Phil is empirically smarter than the paid analysts. I hope you and the haters don't commit suicide because someone points this out. Phil isn't signing players to fill out the roster with worthless bodies either.

So what are the Phil and the Knicks thinking? Glad you asked.

After decades of chasing marquee players, they are now chasing players who may develop some chemistry [there's never a guarantee]. They are also minding a budget. The Knicks have taken a step back from the stupid-loop of getting stuck with everyone else's high-priced duds just because NY could afford it [Dolan would get blamed for being rich, stupid, and arrogant].

Of the FA bigmen that NY ever had a legitimate shot at acquiring only Monroe went elsewhere. Robin Lopez was the best of the bigmen and Phil in fact secured him.

More entertainingly, Dwayne Wade who wanted to stage a drama queen flight to someone else other than the Heat found that the whipping boy Knicks had ZERO interest and so he scrambled around and realized he was going nowhere for yet another year - NBA karma is a bitch. Wall St. banker David West whose financial advisors must include Latrell Sprewell refused to resign foe $12M and then proceeded to insult the Knicks as if they ever had any intention of signing him. Genius.

Afflalo hasn't been motivated in the past few years but he's still got some prime years left. Let's assume he will perform better than the JR/Shump/Hardaway train wreck of last year.

DWill and O'Quinn are two bigmen who have yet to hit their stride. It can take five or six years for guys like this to click but it happens and taking a chance will do no harm to the Knicks.

Phil isn't done. And rather than a grade, let's talk about the transformation of talent. Assuming good health, this current crop of Knicks look to be high-flyers. Call me a shill but I like what we have and believe *this* looks more like a playoff team than last year's squad ever did.

It's really a waste of time for msg to plant people like you fwk00 you're getting paid for nothing. No real fan would EVER write a post like that I mean it's rather insulting to everyone's intelligence. Jim Dolan and his cronies have personally been posting on this board for years so why would he be paying you. The only people who deserve compensation is Andrew and Martin because they give everyone nice platform to express their views and don't run it like realm runs theirs. I don't care if you post here as a fan fake but these posts are ridiculous and a waste of everyone s time. I think if you are friendly reasonable courteous and stay within the rules you should be able to express a positive or negative sentiment within reason. Accept that some people are negative for a reason perhaps they don't believe this offseason was very good whatever--why can't a person express their views calling someone a drunk is offensive and borderline ludicrous.

Some people are just more optimistic than you, man- it's not a conspiracy. You guaranteed we'd trade the pick for Durant, that we were drafting WCS etc and you were wrong. That's just your more anxious outlook. Nothing wrong with that, but just realize not everyone shares it, and it doesn't make them Dolan or a mouth piece for the organization.

Lol jimmy Dolan posts here he s just not obnoxious about it

I would find it funny if true, but I just don't see it! The only poster I was suspicious of was that 'Straightshot', but I thought they were more likely to be a joke rather than someone from the Knicks organization- I just don't think we're important enough!

Remember he took the time to email a season ticket holder. I wouldn't be surprised if he read this board.

You don't think the ceo of apple reads his own message boards? Not possible right? Maybe he even sneaks a few posts in there once in awhile lol. In my actual work experience I knew several CEOs or cfo who would write on their own boards. In this case I just figured it out over time.

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:I post plenty of things outside of season predictions that have value.

I've said this before, you'd probably get less friction if you spent some time reading up on why NBA trades happen ( not from this board, but from paid analysts in established publications), NBA Draft History and the current CBA.

You'd also probably get less friction if you didn't condescend to others who don't agree with you but aren't actively gunning for you. A lot of times, you don't respect other people's views, sometimes even basic facts, and hide behind this veil of "optimism" If you were just giving some back and forth to some of the regular board cretins, then ok, so what, but you take it further than that.

Unless you have Aspergers, I simply can't see any one single person who participates here as much as you do, follow the game as much as you do and be that oblivious to how the NBA actually operates. I agree with Splat that you're a soft cover shill/troll to generate participation in general.

That's my take on it, do what you want.

Personally I find nixluva's comments a hell of a lot closer to reality than yours which I think often are just fantasy league chatter or gamer talk. You believe there are strict rules and everyone in the league is a cardboard caricature of ESPN highlight reels. And you disregard how full of sh@t many "paid analysts" are [Barkley, Berman, Isola, hard to name a credible neutral source].

A year ago had anyone like nixluva or myself suggested that Afflalo were an attainable talent and we would be mocked because the Knicks "could never" get someone like Afflalo! Crazy idea. Go back a couple more months and someone like Derrick Williams was equally pie-in-the-sky thinking because armchair experts like yourself have zero imagination and any such thought breaks the prison rules in your mind.

Furthermore a vast majority of you and your peers have the misfortune of being imprinted with grading Phil and grading moves and all that kind of worthless crap inherited from school and the beer binge/baby talk commentaries on ESPN.

And you have also been imprinted by the mainstream "paid analysts" to be a cynical and jaded anti-fan of the team. Like Lemmings who can't wait to jump over the cliff at every excuse for hate or criticism you jump. And now you're attacking a fan who looks at what's happening with hope instead of hate or school marm "grades" and accuse them of being a shill.

You need to broaden your own horizons more than a little bit.

Close your eyes because there's some shill-talk following.

I happen to think Phil is empirically smarter than the paid analysts. I hope you and the haters don't commit suicide because someone points this out. Phil isn't signing players to fill out the roster with worthless bodies either.

So what are the Phil and the Knicks thinking? Glad you asked.

After decades of chasing marquee players, they are now chasing players who may develop some chemistry [there's never a guarantee]. They are also minding a budget. The Knicks have taken a step back from the stupid-loop of getting stuck with everyone else's high-priced duds just because NY could afford it [Dolan would get blamed for being rich, stupid, and arrogant].

Of the FA bigmen that NY ever had a legitimate shot at acquiring only Monroe went elsewhere. Robin Lopez was the best of the bigmen and Phil in fact secured him.

More entertainingly, Dwayne Wade who wanted to stage a drama queen flight to someone else other than the Heat found that the whipping boy Knicks had ZERO interest and so he scrambled around and realized he was going nowhere for yet another year - NBA karma is a bitch. Wall St. banker David West whose financial advisors must include Latrell Sprewell refused to resign foe $12M and then proceeded to insult the Knicks as if they ever had any intention of signing him. Genius.

Afflalo hasn't been motivated in the past few years but he's still got some prime years left. Let's assume he will perform better than the JR/Shump/Hardaway train wreck of last year.

DWill and O'Quinn are two bigmen who have yet to hit their stride. It can take five or six years for guys like this to click but it happens and taking a chance will do no harm to the Knicks.

Phil isn't done. And rather than a grade, let's talk about the transformation of talent. Assuming good health, this current crop of Knicks look to be high-flyers. Call me a shill but I like what we have and believe *this* looks more like a playoff team than last year's squad ever did.

It's really a waste of time for msg to plant people like you fwk00 you're getting paid for nothing. No real fan would EVER write a post like that I mean it's rather insulting to everyone's intelligence. Jim Dolan and his cronies have personally been posting on this board for years so why would he be paying you. The only people who deserve compensation is Andrew and Martin because they give everyone nice platform to express their views and don't run it like realm runs theirs. I don't care if you post here as a fan fake but these posts are ridiculous and a waste of everyone s time. I think if you are friendly reasonable courteous and stay within the rules you should be able to express a positive or negative sentiment within reason. Accept that some people are negative for a reason perhaps they don't believe this offseason was very good whatever--why can't a person express their views calling someone a drunk is offensive and borderline ludicrous.

Some people are just more optimistic than you, man- it's not a conspiracy. You guaranteed we'd trade the pick for Durant, that we were drafting WCS etc and you were wrong. That's just your more anxious outlook. Nothing wrong with that, but just realize not everyone shares it, and it doesn't make them Dolan or a mouth piece for the organization.

Lol jimmy Dolan posts here he s just not obnoxious about it

I would find it funny if true, but I just don't see it! The only poster I was suspicious of was that 'Straightshot', but I thought they were more likely to be a joke rather than someone from the Knicks organization- I just don't think we're important enough!

Remember he took the time to email a season ticket holder. I wouldn't be surprised if he read this board.

You don't think the ceo of apple reads his own message boards? Not possible right? Maybe he even sneaks a few posts in there once in awhile lol. In my actual work experience I knew several CEOs or cfo who would write on their own boards. In this case I just figured it out over time.

It's nixluva, isn't it.

Let's get real

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:I post plenty of things outside of season predictions that have value.

I've said this before, you'd probably get less friction if you spent some time reading up on why NBA trades happen ( not from this board, but from paid analysts in established publications), NBA Draft History and the current CBA.

You'd also probably get less friction if you didn't condescend to others who don't agree with you but aren't actively gunning for you. A lot of times, you don't respect other people's views, sometimes even basic facts, and hide behind this veil of "optimism" If you were just giving some back and forth to some of the regular board cretins, then ok, so what, but you take it further than that.

Unless you have Aspergers, I simply can't see any one single person who participates here as much as you do, follow the game as much as you do and be that oblivious to how the NBA actually operates. I agree with Splat that you're a soft cover shill/troll to generate participation in general.

That's my take on it, do what you want.

Personally I find nixluva's comments a hell of a lot closer to reality than yours which I think often are just fantasy league chatter or gamer talk. You believe there are strict rules and everyone in the league is a cardboard caricature of ESPN highlight reels. And you disregard how full of sh@t many "paid analysts" are [Barkley, Berman, Isola, hard to name a credible neutral source].

A year ago had anyone like nixluva or myself suggested that Afflalo were an attainable talent and we would be mocked because the Knicks "could never" get someone like Afflalo! Crazy idea. Go back a couple more months and someone like Derrick Williams was equally pie-in-the-sky thinking because armchair experts like yourself have zero imagination and any such thought breaks the prison rules in your mind.

Furthermore a vast majority of you and your peers have the misfortune of being imprinted with grading Phil and grading moves and all that kind of worthless crap inherited from school and the beer binge/baby talk commentaries on ESPN.

And you have also been imprinted by the mainstream "paid analysts" to be a cynical and jaded anti-fan of the team. Like Lemmings who can't wait to jump over the cliff at every excuse for hate or criticism you jump. And now you're attacking a fan who looks at what's happening with hope instead of hate or school marm "grades" and accuse them of being a shill.

You need to broaden your own horizons more than a little bit.

Close your eyes because there's some shill-talk following.

I happen to think Phil is empirically smarter than the paid analysts. I hope you and the haters don't commit suicide because someone points this out. Phil isn't signing players to fill out the roster with worthless bodies either.

So what are the Phil and the Knicks thinking? Glad you asked.

After decades of chasing marquee players, they are now chasing players who may develop some chemistry [there's never a guarantee]. They are also minding a budget. The Knicks have taken a step back from the stupid-loop of getting stuck with everyone else's high-priced duds just because NY could afford it [Dolan would get blamed for being rich, stupid, and arrogant].

Of the FA bigmen that NY ever had a legitimate shot at acquiring only Monroe went elsewhere. Robin Lopez was the best of the bigmen and Phil in fact secured him.

More entertainingly, Dwayne Wade who wanted to stage a drama queen flight to someone else other than the Heat found that the whipping boy Knicks had ZERO interest and so he scrambled around and realized he was going nowhere for yet another year - NBA karma is a bitch. Wall St. banker David West whose financial advisors must include Latrell Sprewell refused to resign foe $12M and then proceeded to insult the Knicks as if they ever had any intention of signing him. Genius.

Afflalo hasn't been motivated in the past few years but he's still got some prime years left. Let's assume he will perform better than the JR/Shump/Hardaway train wreck of last year.

DWill and O'Quinn are two bigmen who have yet to hit their stride. It can take five or six years for guys like this to click but it happens and taking a chance will do no harm to the Knicks.

Phil isn't done. And rather than a grade, let's talk about the transformation of talent. Assuming good health, this current crop of Knicks look to be high-flyers. Call me a shill but I like what we have and believe *this* looks more like a playoff team than last year's squad ever did.

It's really a waste of time for msg to plant people like you fwk00 you're getting paid for nothing. No real fan would EVER write a post like that I mean it's rather insulting to everyone's intelligence. Jim Dolan and his cronies have personally been posting on this board for years so why would he be paying you. The only people who deserve compensation is Andrew and Martin because they give everyone nice platform to express their views and don't run it like realm runs theirs. I don't care if you post here as a fan fake but these posts are ridiculous and a waste of everyone s time. I think if you are friendly reasonable courteous and stay within the rules you should be able to express a positive or negative sentiment within reason. Accept that some people are negative for a reason perhaps they don't believe this offseason was very good whatever--why can't a person express their views calling someone a drunk is offensive and borderline ludicrous.

What is an insult to everyone's intelligence is the constant drone of negativity about our own team. It becomes intellectually toxic.

There's no waste of time in discussing why a basketball genius gives a power forward whose numbers are so asymmetrically opposite the contract. That's an interesting discussion.

But to drone on that this guy or that guy sucks and Phil is an idiot and Zeke is in the building and Dolan owns the team is a freakin' bore. its like watching a dog chase his own tail. That discussion has been going on for a decade - WE GET IT - everybody sucks. But some of us are over it.

When i think about some of the more head-scratching trades Phil has made I have come to understand that Phil got exactly what he wanted back - in some cases close to nothing. Indy's trade of Hibbert to LA is another example of the same logic - addition by subtraction.

Looking at the roster he is putting together it becomes clearer that Phil has and had a plan and he wanted no confusion about it. Had he traded bodies for bodies the fans might romanticize the exploits of the temp. player thus just complicating the rebuild.