holfresh wrote:I got a novel idea..How about we tell our coach who is all of a sudden inspired to win games to try and lose the next two..Hopefully we can draft our own center with luck..

He did take out Cole and played Smith down the stretch on D. I dont think he was actively trying to win. I blame Bargs.

knickscity wrote:Nix, what {hil says and what he does are not the same. Dont care what he did as a coach...he isnt coaching. He has targetted players who are NOT triangle fits. You can deal with that however you choose, but those are facts.

Phil has actually gone after players who he thinks fit this system and rumors of trades that didn't happen don't count. His actual statements do matter as do his personnel contributions from his coaching days, because he's stated which players he fought to get over the years and it was never disputed that he pushed for certain players. Phil has stated what he's looking for in players and so it is important. That doesn't mean that he'll never take a player who isn't a perfect prototypical Triangle player. However, we should see an increase in players with multiple skills and ability to play on both ends.

I want people to see the actual conversation we had so there are no misunderstandings about what i've said.

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:Some of you guys are so predictable. If any report comes out that the Knicks are interested in someone, cue up how he's a great fit, or.....the triangle allows for pick and rolls etc....lol.

Now isola trying to hurt the Knicks? Please, he wasnt the first one to write something like this, and I hope it does prevent us from signing him. Great job Isola.

1st of all there's a reason that people say Monroe would be a good fit in the Triangle. It's about his skills. He's a post big who can rebound and pass. That's a very clear need on this team. He's not a great defensive player but in most every other aspect his game fits. Now it's not true that every player gets the positive treatment when it comes to being a fit in NY. Rondo doesn't really fit the Triangle. He's a ball dominant PG who doesn't shoot well. He can pass but since this system isn't really overly reliant on a passing PG, especially one who can't shoot, it's not a good fit. A kid like D'Angelo Russell would be a good fit since he can shoot, drive and pass, but doesn't have to have the ball all the time in order to be effective.

With regard to Isola, the dude clearly takes great glee in tweaking the Knicks anytime he can. This is just another situation where he's trying to mess with the Knicks. It doesn't matter if he was the 1st one to broach this subject or not, his particular take has spread like wildfire so it's not just a case of us making too much of it. It's not a good thing for a writer to be having a negative impact on who we can sign or not. What if it's a player you like next time? Think before you write next time!

So what? Phil tried to trade for Rondo, and Reggie Jackson. neither are triangle fits. And he plain as day said he wants a player like Tyson, another non triangle fit. Newsflash....Phil aint just trying to get triangle players, but actual basketball players, and ironically all those guys are known for defense.

But go ahead, blame isola for why Monroe wont sign. Cant be serious. take your own advice and think before you write, perhaps halfd of posts wouldnt have been created.

1. You're trying to change the subject. I was talking about you dissing other Knicks fans, claiming that we make the case for every player that the Knicks may be interested in or rumored to get. I was just proving that this isn't true and as usual it was an exaggeration. We don't like every player that gets mentioned as coming to the Knicks. That was my point.

2. All that said if a good player who has value comes available Phil would be a fool not to inquire. Phil has to make attempts to improve the talent on the roster. Getting better talent in a trade can serve the purpose of increasing a teams assets, so if he could grab a player with value that would be smart. He could then flip that player for picks or other players. It doesn't mean he necessarily felt that either Rondo or Reggie was a perfect player for the system in every regard. He's not going to always be able to stick to what is prototypical Triangle skilled players at every single position.

3. Contrary to what you think they are going to be prioritizing Skills that fit the system.

- Phil said he "knows" whom he wants to draft. "We want a player that has multiple skills." He also mentioned "We have zero big men" under contract next year. Asked if he'd prefer a big man who can pass and score or one who can defend, he didn't even wait a millisecond: "Defender." This led to an elaboration on why he traded Tyson Chandler, namely Tyson's injuries last year and the fact that he's in his thirties. But he did cite Chandler as the type of big man he wants to add, citing that with "so many screen/rolls, so many threes" in the game now, you need a big man who can contend with all that.

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When you take ALL OF PHIL'S statements and not just one statement out of context it's pretty clear that Phil would prefer players that have the right overall skills for the Triangle, but if he couldn't get a 2 way guy he'd prefer one that was defensive player over offensive. There's nothing contradictory about that. It's sound logic and follows what he's done over the decades.

Personally, I think Amir Johnson would be a good choice at a lesser price

fishmike wrote:Monroe is a good player. Not great but good. He's the exact size of Al Jefferson at 6'11 with a 7'2 wingspan. He's an excellent passer. He's an excellent defensive rebounder. He's very strong in the post and is excellent at holding his position. He gets a lot of steals down low and has excellent hands. He never misses games. He fills out the stat sheet.

If you look at his 82games #s (havent been updated for some time) he's played equal minutes at PF/C. He's played well at both spots from a +/- view.

I like him. I think he's a nice building block type player. Yes the max is a lot, but 16/10 post players with good NBA size cost lots of money. At 24-25 I think Monroe still has another level he can get to. He's really only a nice jump hook or short fad away from being a really good offensive player. His problem is you push him away from the basket a little and he doesnt have a nice go-to move from 8-10 feet.

He would be a good fit with Towns or any of the guards in the draft. If we pick OK4 I prefer a rim protecter (RLopez) rather than a post player.

Here's a quesion:
Gasol is a better player, but would people pefer Gasol at max starting at $20mm ish (and he's 30) or Monroe at max startin at $15mm ish (but he's 25)?

It all starts with the draft and who we end up taking. Obviously if we take OK4 then there's no Monroe.

nixluva wrote:

fishmike wrote:Monroe is a good player. Not great but good. He's the exact size of Al Jefferson at 6'11 with a 7'2 wingspan. He's an excellent passer. He's an excellent defensive rebounder. He's very strong in the post and is excellent at holding his position. He gets a lot of steals down low and has excellent hands. He never misses games. He fills out the stat sheet.

If you look at his 82games #s (havent been updated for some time) he's played equal minutes at PF/C. He's played well at both spots from a +/- view.

I like him. I think he's a nice building block type player. Yes the max is a lot, but 16/10 post players with good NBA size cost lots of money. At 24-25 I think Monroe still has another level he can get to. He's really only a nice jump hook or short fad away from being a really good offensive player. His problem is you push him away from the basket a little and he doesnt have a nice go-to move from 8-10 feet.

He would be a good fit with Towns or any of the guards in the draft. If we pick OK4 I prefer a rim protecter (RLopez) rather than a post player.

Here's a quesion:
Gasol is a better player, but would people pefer Gasol at max starting at $20mm ish (and he's 30) or Monroe at max startin at $15mm ish (but he's 25)?

Reason! Logic! Common Sense! This is all we need when assessing potential free agents. No one is saying he's a lock but as you point out he should be an option. He has a good combination of abilities tho he's not perfect. He's not a franchise leader but he's a very solid core builder. You have to hope he can continue to develop in this system.

It all starts with the draft and who we end up taking. Obviously if we take OK4 then there's no Monroe.

I have a feeling we are not taking OK4....unless it's for a trade. It might be Russell or Mudiay ahead of OK4, if I'm reading into Phils comments on the type of players he's looking for. I don't know if there's enough room in the paint for Monroe, OK4 and Melo.

They could pick Russell or Mudiay second overall.....but you might get more if you pick OK4 and trade him for Russell or Mudiay or a combination package that includes a top 5 pick and anthing else that balance the trade.

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:Monroe is a good player. Not great but good. He's the exact size of Al Jefferson at 6'11 with a 7'2 wingspan. He's an excellent passer. He's an excellent defensive rebounder. He's very strong in the post and is excellent at holding his position. He gets a lot of steals down low and has excellent hands. He never misses games. He fills out the stat sheet.

If you look at his 82games #s (havent been updated for some time) he's played equal minutes at PF/C. He's played well at both spots from a +/- view.

I like him. I think he's a nice building block type player. Yes the max is a lot, but 16/10 post players with good NBA size cost lots of money. At 24-25 I think Monroe still has another level he can get to. He's really only a nice jump hook or short fad away from being a really good offensive player. His problem is you push him away from the basket a little and he doesnt have a nice go-to move from 8-10 feet.

He would be a good fit with Towns or any of the guards in the draft. If we pick OK4 I prefer a rim protecter (RLopez) rather than a post player.

Here's a quesion:
Gasol is a better player, but would people pefer Gasol at max starting at $20mm ish (and he's 30) or Monroe at max startin at $15mm ish (but he's 25)?

I still think Kevin love is more obtainable, but the truth is we can't really afford to sign a $20mil max player- it would only leave about $5mil to fill out the rest of the roster.

Please, don't we already have about 124 million posts about one-way players on the UK?

smackeddog wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:Monroe is a good player. Not great but good. He's the exact size of Al Jefferson at 6'11 with a 7'2 wingspan. He's an excellent passer. He's an excellent defensive rebounder. He's very strong in the post and is excellent at holding his position. He gets a lot of steals down low and has excellent hands. He never misses games. He fills out the stat sheet.

If you look at his 82games #s (havent been updated for some time) he's played equal minutes at PF/C. He's played well at both spots from a +/- view.

I like him. I think he's a nice building block type player. Yes the max is a lot, but 16/10 post players with good NBA size cost lots of money. At 24-25 I think Monroe still has another level he can get to. He's really only a nice jump hook or short fad away from being a really good offensive player. His problem is you push him away from the basket a little and he doesnt have a nice go-to move from 8-10 feet.

He would be a good fit with Towns or any of the guards in the draft. If we pick OK4 I prefer a rim protecter (RLopez) rather than a post player.

Here's a quesion:
Gasol is a better player, but would people pefer Gasol at max starting at $20mm ish (and he's 30) or Monroe at max startin at $15mm ish (but he's 25)?

I still think Kevin love is more obtainable, but the truth is we can't really afford to sign a $20mil max player- it would only leave about $5mil to fill out the rest of the roster.

Please, don't we already have about 124 million posts about one-way players on the UK?

Hey, I wasn't advocating kevin love- I'm not a fan of his at all.

If we ended up having to take OK4 it would pretty much still give us a similar set of skills to Monroe but cheaper and with more upside. We could still pair OK4 with RLopez or Ajinca or a VERY affordable PF/C tandem.

nyk4ever wrote:why are we in such a rush to throw our cap space around? monroe isn't going to be worth the money he's going to ask for, so why give it to him? especially if we draft a guy like towns, we don't need to put monroe next to him, we can find a much cheaper alternative that fits next to towns.

and to speak on what code said.... imagine a defensive frontcourt of towns and deandre jordan? im not really in love with jordan and he'd command a ton of money, but that frontcourt would be insane defensively, they'd be blocking shots left and right and it's pretty efficient offensively as well. jordan comes at quite a price though.

DeAndre Jordan isn't actually a good defensive player. He gets blocks, but the Clippers are a below-average defensive team that plays better with him off the court, and that's with Chris Paul (who's the best perimeter defender in basketball) and Matt Barnes in the lineup, who is also good defensively.

NYKBocker wrote:If we get Towns then this is will be a great signing. A frontcourt of Towns/Monroe/Melo could be formidable. You hear that Boston?!? Formidable!

That would be some strong rebounding on both ends.

Bonn1997 wrote:

y2zipper wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:why are we in such a rush to throw our cap space around? monroe isn't going to be worth the money he's going to ask for, so why give it to him? especially if we draft a guy like towns, we don't need to put monroe next to him, we can find a much cheaper alternative that fits next to towns.

and to speak on what code said.... imagine a defensive frontcourt of towns and deandre jordan? im not really in love with jordan and he'd command a ton of money, but that frontcourt would be insane defensively, they'd be blocking shots left and right and it's pretty efficient offensively as well. jordan comes at quite a price though.

DeAndre Jordan isn't actually a good defensive player. He gets blocks, but the Clippers are a below-average defensive team that plays better with him off the court, and that's with Chris Paul (who's the best perimeter defender in basketball) and Matt Barnes in the lineup, who is also good defensively.

The Clippers are +8.4 points per 48 with Jordan on the court and +0.4 with him off.
http://www.82games.com/1415/1415LAC.HTM

I was talking strictly defensively, where the Clippers defensive rating improves by 2.2 points per 48 minutes when he's off the court. The idea that he's a great defensive player is a myth, but he's offensively efficient because he has mid-range players around him that complement the limited skill-set that his game is. Signing him to a max contract is akin to overpaying another Tyson Chandler except he's worse defensively than Chandler.