gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I think ok;'s flaws are more glaring than Towns. Like Mreinman said Towns Seems to drag his feet. I accept that flaw but what are his other flaws?

his flaws are pretty apparent to me. he doesn't play alot, his lower body needs alot of strengthening (hence the reason he fouls so much) and his post play can use alot of improvement. like i said though, these are all expected because he's a freshman in college lol. to think this guy is flawless at 18 is ridiculous. the same goes for ok4. i feel like because im mentioning towns weaknesses that you are taking these as disses towards him. i want him on the knicks lol

Then why argue with me if you want to draft him. Argue with Fishmike who would draft him 3rd.

All this and watch us draft 5th and miss out on towns, ok4, Russell and Mudiay

im not arguing with you, im merely pointing out his flaws and agreeing with others who point at his flaws, as well. im not going to pretend he's perfect, he's not.

Uptown wrote:Not true about Moses...He averaged 28 & 15 and led the Rockets to finals in 1981...

i totally forgot about that... but they were also below .500 and were really bad on defense... i wouldn't call any of his rockets team any good...

nyk4ever wrote:

Uptown wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:He is 19 of course you can nitpick his flaws. Ok4's motor on defense and reaction time Are more glaring imo. Does he have it in him to get better?

Who knows if he has it in him? The same can be said about Towns who was already called out by his coach. I know this much, Ok4 is going to be a legit scoring threat in the paint from day one. His best attribute, scoring in the paint is more easy to bank on than what Towns is going to bring to the table. Towns is more of a what if or might be. Too much of a risk to take #1.

good post. it's such a tough call for me. i think towns will end up being the best player in this draft, but he could totally end up being a bust, just like any of the others could be. i do think you're right about ok4 being a legit scoring threat from day1. there is a lot less risk with picking ok4, i think.

And thats my point. Towns is a good prospect, but at this point is too much of a gamble to take ahead of Okafor. Ok4 is one of the best freshman bigs i ever saw on the offensive end. The footwork, the hands,the iq in the paint, his numbers, it all translates to being a really good player at worse, an all timer at the very best.

gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Uptown wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:He is 19 of course you can nitpick his flaws. Ok4's motor on defense and reaction time Are more glaring imo. Does he have it in him to get better?

Who knows if he has it in him? The same can be said about Towns who was already called out by his coach. I know this much, Ok4 is going to be a legit scoring threat in the paint from day one. His best attribute, scoring in the paint is more easy to bank on than what Towns is going to bring to the table. Towns is more of a what if or might be. Too much of a risk to take #1.

good post. it's such a tough call for me. i think towns will end up being the best player in this draft, but he could totally end up being a bust, just like any of the others could be. i do think you're right about ok4 being a legit scoring threat from day1. there is a lot less risk with picking ok4, i think.

yea thats what I said to Fish. I have no issue with people thinking OK4 is the safer pick because of his offense. Personally I think Towns is the safer pick because at worst he will be a contributor in multiple areas on a winning team. Whereas OK4, Melo & Calderon will be a disaster defensively even if there's enough shots for both OK4 & Melo. I think with Towns Melo can still be himself. Towns won't demand the ball, he will space the floor and he will cover for Melo's defensive deficiences to certain extent minimally. Those are a few of the reasons why I prefer Towns

Ok4 is 19. Im not drafting him and projecting how he meshes with Calderone. Ok4 will be here long after Melo is long gone. Does Ok4 have the talent and potential to be a franchise player? If the answer is yes, then im not too concerned with how he meshes with Melo either because if Ok4 is legit, then you start shedding the dead weight,even Melo, and build around Ok4.

Uptown wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Uptown wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:He is 19 of course you can nitpick his flaws. Ok4's motor on defense and reaction time Are more glaring imo. Does he have it in him to get better?

Who knows if he has it in him? The same can be said about Towns who was already called out by his coach. I know this much, Ok4 is going to be a legit scoring threat in the paint from day one. His best attribute, scoring in the paint is more easy to bank on than what Towns is going to bring to the table. Towns is more of a what if or might be. Too much of a risk to take #1.

good post. it's such a tough call for me. i think towns will end up being the best player in this draft, but he could totally end up being a bust, just like any of the others could be. i do think you're right about ok4 being a legit scoring threat from day1. there is a lot less risk with picking ok4, i think.

yea thats what I said to Fish. I have no issue with people thinking OK4 is the safer pick because of his offense. Personally I think Towns is the safer pick because at worst he will be a contributor in multiple areas on a winning team. Whereas OK4, Melo & Calderon will be a disaster defensively even if there's enough shots for both OK4 & Melo. I think with Towns Melo can still be himself. Towns won't demand the ball, he will space the floor and he will cover for Melo's defensive deficiences to certain extent minimally. Those are a few of the reasons why I prefer Towns

Ok4 is 19. Im not drafting him and projecting how he meshes with Calderone. Ok4 will be here long after Melo is long gone. Does Ok4 have the talent and potential to be a franchise player? If the answer is yes, then im not too concerned with how he meshes with Melo either because if Ok4 is legit, then you start shedding the dead weight,even Melo, and build around Ok4.

Uptown wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Uptown wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Uptown wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:He is 19 of course you can nitpick his flaws. Ok4's motor on defense and reaction time Are more glaring imo. Does he have it in him to get better?

Who knows if he has it in him? The same can be said about Towns who was already called out by his coach. I know this much, Ok4 is going to be a legit scoring threat in the paint from day one. His best attribute, scoring in the paint is more easy to bank on than what Towns is going to bring to the table. Towns is more of a what if or might be. Too much of a risk to take #1.

good post. it's such a tough call for me. i think towns will end up being the best player in this draft, but he could totally end up being a bust, just like any of the others could be. i do think you're right about ok4 being a legit scoring threat from day1. there is a lot less risk with picking ok4, i think.

yea thats what I said to Fish. I have no issue with people thinking OK4 is the safer pick because of his offense. Personally I think Towns is the safer pick because at worst he will be a contributor in multiple areas on a winning team. Whereas OK4, Melo & Calderon will be a disaster defensively even if there's enough shots for both OK4 & Melo. I think with Towns Melo can still be himself. Towns won't demand the ball, he will space the floor and he will cover for Melo's defensive deficiences to certain extent minimally. Those are a few of the reasons why I prefer Towns

Ok4 is 19. Im not drafting him and projecting how he meshes with Calderone. Ok4 will be here long after Melo is long gone. Does Ok4 have the talent and potential to be a franchise player? If the answer is yes, then im not too concerned with how he meshes with Melo either because if Ok4 is legit, then you start shedding the dead weight,even Melo, and build around Ok4.

Not sure that anyone but Anthony would have problems meshing with OK4 if we were to get him, and at this point Anthony might feel more inclined to play within the system if he sees it will help the team be successful. Given the state of the NBA, I'm sure Phil would have a sit down with Anthony about who they might draft and what it might mean for Anthony on the floor.

I dont doubt for a minute that Melo cant mesh with Ok4. A legit post player who command a double team would only make the game easier for Melo. My point was, if we get the # 1 pick, we shouldnt be trying to pick a player to fit our current roster including Anthony. With the first pick, you hope your picking a franchise player.

Yes. Franchise players are rare. That trumps Melo. You figure it out after taking the best possible player.

Steph Curry with da shot

Man OK4 has everything to keep a defender off balance. How amazing is it for a Freshman to play with power, quickness, and smarts. The guy is could be so special.

gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Uptown wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:He is 19 of course you can nitpick his flaws. Ok4's motor on defense and reaction time Are more glaring imo. Does he have it in him to get better?

Who knows if he has it in him? The same can be said about Towns who was already called out by his coach. I know this much, Ok4 is going to be a legit scoring threat in the paint from day one. His best attribute, scoring in the paint is more easy to bank on than what Towns is going to bring to the table. Towns is more of a what if or might be. Too much of a risk to take #1.

good post. it's such a tough call for me. i think towns will end up being the best player in this draft, but he could totally end up being a bust, just like any of the others could be. i do think you're right about ok4 being a legit scoring threat from day1. there is a lot less risk with picking ok4, i think.

yea thats what I said to Fish. I have no issue with people thinking OK4 is the safer pick because of his offense. Personally I think Towns is the safer pick because at worst he will be a contributor in multiple areas on a winning team. Whereas OK4, Melo & Calderon will be a disaster defensively even if there's enough shots for both OK4 & Melo. I think with Towns Melo can still be himself. Towns won't demand the ball, he will space the floor and he will cover for Melo's defensive deficiences to certain extent minimally. Those are a few of the reasons why I prefer Towns

Right now Towns looks a lot like Robin Lopez with a jumper. I understand the upside but I also see total denial that Towns fits the profile of many an NBA bust. Is that fishmike saying Towns will be a bust? No.. only that he fits a profile of great prospects who were busts because they were too raw or taking too early to properly develop.

BRIGGS wrote:This is a great okafor tape because he shows every skill and also shows defensive skills with two blocked shots and a couple of nice helps. I have watched him enough that I believe he can be part of a strong team defense and that he has potential to be MUCH better defensively than he is right now nd I think some parts of this tape show that. It also shows his TREMENDOUS rebounding potential on both ends. In this game h had 17 but I dont see why this player cant average 11-13 in the NBA over 38 minutes. Hes not an above the rim rebounder like Towns but hes more like a Millsap Jefferson or Randolph. These guys tend to foul less.

He starts this game off against the near 7 feet 250 pound Zach Auguste who is an athletic NBA prospect.

Like he does against almost every defender he has faced this year he takes them 12 feet off the block bumps them once spins and is sitting point blank at the basket. I have not seen one player close to stopping him--not one. He rarely has his shot blocked---he holds the ball like an orange in his hands. The only time I have seen him slowed is against double and triple teams--the only reason why he avg under 20 points for the year. Remember Towns faces none Okafor usually faced them every game with few exceptions.

Please notice in the beginning minute of the video just how easily Okafor gets to the basket against the pro prospect. Its powerful nimble and easy for him. It also shows some of his unique touch and why it will highly likely translate out to 12-14 feet--he just needs reps.
:30 takes 6-11 250 pound athletic defender and pushes him under the basket for 2
:45 uses spin move for one handed 4 footer with touch
1:30--1:50 help defense and rebounding after shot
2:10 full court rim run
2:20 rebounding in traffic against multiple players
2:30 The first time he showed that leg injury this year--played through it.
2:40 catch and drive from deep in the baseline against smaller quicker defender
3:20 Free throw form--soft touch with good arch good follow through
3:30 rebound out of space
3:45 pass back out to open 3 pt shooter3:55 Nifty one handed pass to cutter for and 1.
4:10 Face up bank shot from 10 feet over 6-11 athletic defender for 2 points
4:30 holds defensive base while defender tries to go around him in lane and stripped by help
4:40 follow rebound finish
4:45 Blocks drive and thwarts secondarily offensive rebound.
5:00 posts 6-11 defender and moves him under the basket for a lay up with ease.
5:20 Powers same 6-11 defender under the basket again for 2
5:40 Creates Foul goes to line for 1-1 soft touch hits FT

Totals 10-18 22 points 17 rebounds 3 assists 2 blocks (2for 7 from FT Line)

Highest block game of the year 4 VS Boston College
Highest scoring output 30 vs V Tech
Most Free throw made game 14
Most rebounds game 20 VS Elon
Most assists game 5 Pittsburgh

Towns is a great prospect... but he's also 9ppg 6rebs great. Think of the logic here. Your drafting a 19 year old who is the 4th scorer on his team and 2nd rebounder because your hoping his game and production expand at the NBA level.

The reason there have been so many Euro-busts is because they are played sparingly for 18-20 minutes a game and you have to "guess" what they may do with more minutes and bigger roles. There is a risk here with Towns that doesnt exist with OK4. Saying that risk is balanced by Town's higher ceiling is BS.