mreinman wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Shump was good tonight---they're going over the play on the post game where shump put the clamps on Wall, almost turning him over. That play was big...nice job

overall he was good. He was terrible on the break and driving to the hoop.

zero improvement

StarksEwing1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Uptown wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:People will hate that it is going to Melo.

All I know is when I watch other teams play, the best players always have the ball in their hands in during crunch time. But on this board, its personal with Melo to some...

And you can tell it kills some that he made the shot and the one.

Oh, and although we got the turnover count, I will mention Melo the Inefficent got 30 on 19 shots. I'm sure that's due just to ball hogging jab stepping iso revisionism though.

Dude i think you are pushing the "melo hatred" thing way too far. There might be 1 or 2 clowns that are just trying to push the buttons on]f knick fans. 99.9% of fans agree that melo should take the final shot because he is our best player. The only time i wouldnt is if he has 3 guys on him. I think you are a good fan but you overreact to the "supposed melo hate"

I am not yellowboy or Uptown, my friend. I'm pretty sure either of them will gladly fight you to provide verification of that fact.

It's one post in the whole thread; not exactly flaming the board with triple spaced couplets, am I?

Its just something i have noticed. Im not calling you out at all. Im just saying i dont think melo gets the hate that some thinks he does. I agree he does have a microscope on him more than others ecause of his talent and wat he makes. However like i said 99% of fans want melo to have the ball in his hands in crunch time

Funny, I'm not calling you out either, but did you notice the next two posts after yours? I'm not the only one who notices it and takes note.

Trust me, Melo gets more concentrated hate on this board (granted, the voices are very few, but very shrill) than probably anywhere else.

And if it wasn't for Melo's sudden efficiency this preseason, you'd be reading the same dozens of posts from last season/offseason whining about TS% and how much better PG is.

jrodmc wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Uptown wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:People will hate that it is going to Melo.

All I know is when I watch other teams play, the best players always have the ball in their hands in during crunch time. But on this board, its personal with Melo to some...

And you can tell it kills some that he made the shot and the one.

Oh, and although we got the turnover count, I will mention Melo the Inefficent got 30 on 19 shots. I'm sure that's due just to ball hogging jab stepping iso revisionism though.

Dude i think you are pushing the "melo hatred" thing way too far. There might be 1 or 2 clowns that are just trying to push the buttons on]f knick fans. 99.9% of fans agree that melo should take the final shot because he is our best player. The only time i wouldnt is if he has 3 guys on him. I think you are a good fan but you overreact to the "supposed melo hate"

I am not yellowboy or Uptown, my friend. I'm pretty sure either of them will gladly fight you to provide verification of that fact.

It's one post in the whole thread; not exactly flaming the board with triple spaced couplets, am I?

Its just something i have noticed. Im not calling you out at all. Im just saying i dont think melo gets the hate that some thinks he does. I agree he does have a microscope on him more than others ecause of his talent and wat he makes. However like i said 99% of fans want melo to have the ball in his hands in crunch time

Funny, I'm not calling you out either, but did you notice the next two posts after yours? I'm not the only one who notices it and takes note.

Trust me, Melo gets more concentrated hate on this board (granted, the voices are very few, but very shrill) than probably anywhere else.

And if it wasn't for Melo's sudden efficiency this preseason, you'd be reading the same dozens of posts from last season/offseason whining about TS% and how much better PG is.

F500ONE wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Uptown wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:People will hate that it is going to Melo.

All I know is when I watch other teams play, the best players always have the ball in their hands in during crunch time. But on this board, its personal with Melo to some...

And you can tell it kills some that he made the shot and the one.

Oh, and although we got the turnover count, I will mention Melo the Inefficent got 30 on 19 shots. I'm sure that's due just to ball hogging jab stepping iso revisionism though.

Dude i think you are pushing the "melo hatred" thing way too far. There might be 1 or 2 clowns that are just trying to push the buttons on]f knick fans. 99.9% of fans agree that melo should take the final shot because he is our best player. The only time i wouldnt is if he has 3 guys on him. I think you are a good fan but you overreact to the "supposed melo hate"

I am not yellowboy or Uptown, my friend. I'm pretty sure either of them will gladly fight you to provide verification of that fact.

It's one post in the whole thread; not exactly flaming the board with triple spaced couplets, am I?

Its just something i have noticed. Im not calling you out at all. Im just saying i dont think melo gets the hate that some thinks he does. I agree he does have a microscope on him more than others ecause of his talent and wat he makes. However like i said 99% of fans want melo to have the ball in his hands in crunch time

Funny, I'm not calling you out either, but did you notice the next two posts after yours? I'm not the only one who notices it and takes note.

Trust me, Melo gets more concentrated hate on this board (granted, the voices are very few, but very shrill) than probably anywhere else.

And if it wasn't for Melo's sudden efficiency this preseason, you'd be reading the same dozens of posts from last season/offseason whining about TS% and how much better PG is.

ROTFLOL Melo hasn't been efficient

These are the kind of posts that bury you 6ft deep

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/1975/carmelo-anthony

11-19 .579
7-22 .318
5-12 .417
4-6 .667
7-14 .500
3-9 .333

Amazing what 1 or 2gms game does to some people

It puts them in an intoxicated stupor of mindnumbness

fishmike wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Uptown wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:People will hate that it is going to Melo.

All I know is when I watch other teams play, the best players always have the ball in their hands in during crunch time. But on this board, its personal with Melo to some...

And you can tell it kills some that he made the shot and the one.

Oh, and although we got the turnover count, I will mention Melo the Inefficent got 30 on 19 shots. I'm sure that's due just to ball hogging jab stepping iso revisionism though.

Dude i think you are pushing the "melo hatred" thing way too far. There might be 1 or 2 clowns that are just trying to push the buttons on]f knick fans. 99.9% of fans agree that melo should take the final shot because he is our best player. The only time i wouldnt is if he has 3 guys on him. I think you are a good fan but you overreact to the "supposed melo hate"

I am not yellowboy or Uptown, my friend. I'm pretty sure either of them will gladly fight you to provide verification of that fact.

It's one post in the whole thread; not exactly flaming the board with triple spaced couplets, am I?

Its just something i have noticed. Im not calling you out at all. Im just saying i dont think melo gets the hate that some thinks he does. I agree he does have a microscope on him more than others ecause of his talent and wat he makes. However like i said 99% of fans want melo to have the ball in his hands in crunch time

Funny, I'm not calling you out either, but did you notice the next two posts after yours? I'm not the only one who notices it and takes note.

Trust me, Melo gets more concentrated hate on this board (granted, the voices are very few, but very shrill) than probably anywhere else.

And if it wasn't for Melo's sudden efficiency this preseason, you'd be reading the same dozens of posts from last season/offseason whining about TS% and how much better PG is.

ROTFLOL Melo hasn't been efficient

These are the kind of posts that bury you 6ft deep

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/1975/carmelo-anthony

11-19 .579
7-22 .318
5-12 .417
4-6 .667
7-14 .500
3-9 .333

Amazing what 1 or 2gms game does to some people

It puts them in an intoxicated stupor of mindnumbness

yea.. he's shooting 45% in the preseason. Way to drop THAT hammer. You showed him.

Don't mess with that higher math.

Don't you know shooting % is meaningless?

Except when it isn't?

We all need to be in a somber

Laser-focused state of

Higher consciousness.

Always use bold

To win an argument

F500ONE wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:its preseason

Man it's almost getting embarrassing with these guys looking to take a negative angle on everything. This team is trying to make a MASSIVE change from selfish ISO BB to a completely different system. Many players have talked about how hard it is to make this transition to the Triangle and so far a lot of our players have actually shown a fairly good adjustment to it. Melo is a guy that really had to make a significant change in how he thinks the game and to play within the system. He's showing signs of getting the hang of it too.

These negative guys are just upset cuz the preseason hasn't been a complete disaster as they anticipated. More of the players are getting the Triangle than they said would. According to the guys who are down on the team we didn't have enough players capable of playing in the Triangle. One prediction was that Fisher would be forced to ditch the Triangle and run something else before too long. So they have to jump on Melo cuz well not much else to talk about at this point. Gotta have something negative to say...

Who said Preseason was gonna be a complete disaster

Preseason has been mediocre, that's what I think we'll be

The assessments of team center on the "regular season"

And what this team will be able to accomplish

I never use preseason as a means to

Judge a team's regular season success

There are still several unknowns and traits of concern

Do you really think anyone, no matter how down they are

About this team would figure Fisher to dump

The triangle before 7 preseason games concluded

That's a helluva reach by you or you being very premature with timelines

Reading is fundamental I said that some thought he would be "forced to ditch the Triangle and run something else before too long." That doesn't mean preseason. You just always want to look for the most ridiculous thing to key on. Why would anyone think he'd be "forced" to change the offense in preseason?

As for you claiming you don't use preseason it hasn't stopped you and others from slamming the team based on how they looked early on. Do you deny doing that? Look everyone pretty much knew it wasn't going to be automatic. Some changes can have a rather quick improvement because it may rely on just using the players athletic ability. Like for example running and gunning. For teams that make a change to just pushing the pace it may show quick results because it's so simple. The Triangle is basic but not simple because of all the very specific rules players have to master. The spacing, timing and passing angles. Having to read and react makes it harder to execute naturally until players have done it over and over so much that their brains just react instinctively. It's gonna take time for this to be instinctive to our players. Some guys pick it up faster than others.

nixluva wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:its preseason

Man it's almost getting embarrassing with these guys looking to take a negative angle on everything. This team is trying to make a MASSIVE change from selfish ISO BB to a completely different system. Many players have talked about how hard it is to make this transition to the Triangle and so far a lot of our players have actually shown a fairly good adjustment to it. Melo is a guy that really had to make a significant change in how he thinks the game and to play within the system. He's showing signs of getting the hang of it too.

These negative guys are just upset cuz the preseason hasn't been a complete disaster as they anticipated. More of the players are getting the Triangle than they said would. According to the guys who are down on the team we didn't have enough players capable of playing in the Triangle. One prediction was that Fisher would be forced to ditch the Triangle and run something else before too long. So they have to jump on Melo cuz well not much else to talk about at this point. Gotta have something negative to say...

Who said Preseason was gonna be a complete disaster

Preseason has been mediocre, that's what I think we'll be

The assessments of team center on the "regular season"

And what this team will be able to accomplish

I never use preseason as a means to

Judge a team's regular season success

There are still several unknowns and traits of concern

Do you really think anyone, no matter how down they are

About this team would figure Fisher to dump

The triangle before 7 preseason games concluded

That's a helluva reach by you or you being very premature with timelines

Reading is fundamental I said that some thought he would be "forced to ditch the Triangle and run something else before too long." That doesn't mean preseason. You just always want to look for the most ridiculous thing to key on. Why would anyone think he'd be "forced" to change the offense in preseason?

As for you claiming you don't use preseason it hasn't stopped you and others from slamming the team based on how they looked early on. Do you deny doing that? Look everyone pretty much knew it wasn't going to be automatic. Some changes can have a rather quick improvement because it may rely on just using the players athletic ability. Like for example running and gunning. For teams that make a change to just pushing the pace it may show quick results because it's so simple. The Triangle is basic but not simple because of all the very specific rules players have to master. The spacing, timing and passing angles. Having to read and react makes it harder to execute naturally until players have done it over and over so much that their brains just react instinctively. It's gonna take time for this to be instinctive to our players. Some guys pick it up faster than others.

And thats where you fail.

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:its preseason

Man it's almost getting embarrassing with these guys looking to take a negative angle on everything. This team is trying to make a MASSIVE change from selfish ISO BB to a completely different system. Many players have talked about how hard it is to make this transition to the Triangle and so far a lot of our players have actually shown a fairly good adjustment to it. Melo is a guy that really had to make a significant change in how he thinks the game and to play within the system. He's showing signs of getting the hang of it too.

These negative guys are just upset cuz the preseason hasn't been a complete disaster as they anticipated. More of the players are getting the Triangle than they said would. According to the guys who are down on the team we didn't have enough players capable of playing in the Triangle. One prediction was that Fisher would be forced to ditch the Triangle and run something else before too long. So they have to jump on Melo cuz well not much else to talk about at this point. Gotta have something negative to say...

Who said Preseason was gonna be a complete disaster

Preseason has been mediocre, that's what I think we'll be

The assessments of team center on the "regular season"

And what this team will be able to accomplish

I never use preseason as a means to

Judge a team's regular season success

There are still several unknowns and traits of concern

Do you really think anyone, no matter how down they are

About this team would figure Fisher to dump

The triangle before 7 preseason games concluded

That's a helluva reach by you or you being very premature with timelines

Reading is fundamental I said that some thought he would be "forced to ditch the Triangle and run something else before too long." That doesn't mean preseason. You just always want to look for the most ridiculous thing to key on. Why would anyone think he'd be "forced" to change the offense in preseason?

As for you claiming you don't use preseason it hasn't stopped you and others from slamming the team based on how they looked early on. Do you deny doing that? Look everyone pretty much knew it wasn't going to be automatic. Some changes can have a rather quick improvement because it may rely on just using the players athletic ability. Like for example running and gunning. For teams that make a change to just pushing the pace it may show quick results because it's so simple. The Triangle is basic but not simple because of all the very specific rules players have to master. The spacing, timing and passing angles. Having to read and react makes it harder to execute naturally until players have done it over and over so much that their brains just react instinctively. It's gonna take time for this to be instinctive to our players. Some guys pick it up faster than others.

Are you seriousl;y mad folks are commenting on the games? I told you before , you're focused in the wrong place. Check the gamethreads, everyone comments when good plays are made and when things dont look right.....thats what a fan do. We all know it will take time, the beyond obvious, but what is obvious to some is that some will NEVER get it.

And thats where you fail.

Don't be silly. Of course i'm not mad that folks are commenting on the games. Stop acting like you've never read any of my posts over the last decade. You know I understand how things work here. My comment was clearly not just about comments on this thread. I referenced other comments made in the past regarding this teams chances of adjusting to this system. There are those who think this will fail.

In any event there are those who predict doom and gloom for this team and they were jumping with joy when things looked shaky in the preseason. They haven't really had as much to talk about since a lot of the players are starting to get the hang of things. That's all i'm saying. The longer these guys work on making the needed changes the better they're getting. For some it will take longer and yes some may never get it, but we don't know that for sure.

Is the team getting better? Sure. Is it at the level of being able to compete on the nightly basis? I'm not sure, but I'm leaning towards "no". That can change once the rotation cements and the guy who hold the team down in progress will be limited in action so forward progress can be made.

nixluva wrote:I'm not saying people aren't fans of the Knicks. I'm saying some of us dislike this roster or certain players so much that they express very little to no support or faith in this team. It's what I call Self Hating Knick Fans. I don't have to accuse anyone their comments make it self evident.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm not saying people aren't fans of the Knicks. I'm saying some of us dislike this roster or certain players so much that they express very little to no support or faith in this team. It's what I call Self Hating Knick Fans. I don't have to accuse anyone their comments make it self evident.

No different than ones who harp on them for feeling so. it's not like this team has enjoyed 10 straight years of playoff appearances. they havent, been awful for a while and decent recently with a setback. Even though I dont like this roster at all, i do think they may be better than last year. but that isnt saying much...last year is easy to improve on.

I disagree with the rationale of being overly pessimistic based on the moves Phil has made to improve the balance and fit of the roster and the huge improvement of the coaching staff and the new system. Phil has openly stated what he wants to accomplish with this team and nothing they've done so far suggests they aren't up to the task of changing the culture of this team. Rather Knick fans should be more upbeat given the change to a real basketball mind being in charge of things.

To be clear it's not rationale to be nasty and negative given the vast improvement in team leadership over who was making decisions before. If a fan can't appreciate the difference in having Dolan making all the major decisions verses Phil then they can't be helped and deserve to be called out. Everyone doesn't have to be ecstatic but geez some of the negativity is unwarranted IMO.