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2/13/2014  7:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2014  7:35 PM
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I went to a show years ago and it was an all mens show dressed up like woman. I had a few drinks back then and damn they sure looked like women to me. I even brought one a drink and just for a second I forgot she was a he. Just like the Crying game. Now what did that make me?? I'm a mans man but can we be fooled at times and may do something you just might regret or maybe you liked it but wouldn't do it again. You just may have a little sugar in your tank but may never act on it.

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2/13/2014  7:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2014  8:34 PM
jrodmc wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:I studied the bible heavily a couple of yrs ago. And while i'm not close to knowing everything or being an expert. There are some conclusions that I have come to.

First and foremost God is real. If God wasn't real then he was made up by man. Meaning there would be a time period in mans history where there was no God in existence. There is no documented time period in mans history that God wasn't in existence.

Second, Gods law that is eternal and unchanging is LOVE. God created a lot of rules, regulations, ordinances, instructions, guidlines to follow throughout the bible. Everything from what to eat Whatever divides the hoof and is cloven-footed, chewing the cud (Leviticus 11:3), whatever has fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, those you shall eat. (verse 9), sex, taxes etc etc etc. Every single guidline has its purpose to keep the order in society. More proof of his existence in my eyes as why would man(without Gods influence) create laws on what was good to eat or not eat during this time frame? How would they know the affects of any food to call it good or bad? Or laws of marriage, as Jrodmc stated kept the order of society for centuries. There is no way for them during this time period to know the negative affects of these actions on society to put these laws into place.

Now again the law that is eternal and unchanging is LOVE. But the rules, regulations, ordinances, instructions are changeable based on where man kind was at in there development. Notice how God at first in the bible stated to be fruitful and multiple allowing siblings to have sex with each other to fill the earth. Then later on put out the law that siblings were no longer allowed to have sex with each other. As in the beginning this was necessary for the earth to be filled but after the earth was filled it was no longer necessary so in order to keep society in order God decided to update his instructions. This was heavily taught by Jesus as the Scribes and Pharisees would often follow the laws as well as create there own laws to benefit themselves. But wouldn't follow Gods eternal law of LOVE.

Mark 3:1-6
3 Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. 2 Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. 3 Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Stand up in front of everyone.”

4 Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.

5 He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. 6 Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.

Clearly Jesus was stating that allowing a man to die just to follow Gods law of not doing any work on the Sabbath wasn't Gods will. Which clarifies that Gods law of LOVE overrides everything.

Third, I don't know what causes an individual to be gay. But I don't think we are at the part of mans development that passes judgement. If being Gay is wrong, I don't believe that it will lead to individuals burning in hell for eternity. There will be a time period where God lifts the curse from the earth and heaven will come down to earth and we will live under Jesus rule to be shown the proper way to live. If being homosexual is against Gods will then most likely the thought processes that goes with being homosexual will be removed. If homosexuality is a natural part of life then the thought process of being against homosexuals will be removed. The last 2 sentences were just my opinion though not biblical fact.

So in other words, every other religion is wrong but yours is right....because it says that it is. And somehow, there was no order before it....and yet many of the greatest empires came before anyone ever even conceived of it. Awesome bro.

I stated the conclusions that I came to that is all. I didn't write this to claim that I was right and everyone else was wrong, just sharing my thoughts.

With that said the earliest known civilization documented in mans history is Mesopotamia which was created after the flood of Noah. If I am wrong I would like to be educated.

You can believe what you want to believe but the Bible is no real historical account. If it was, the book would be continually expanding and updating itself; while focusing on more than the accounts of a random nomadic tribe.

You know what's interesting about Christianity though? Every other present day religion maintains it's highest concentration of followers in the areas/regions they originated: the Buddhist/Daoist still dominants East Asia, the Muslim still dominants the Middle East, the Hindu in India. Christianity is the only religion whose message was so compelling that hardly anyone in the region where it began, still follows it. The highest concentration of Christians today, exist in conquered lands. The conquerors came with their Bibles and took the land and all the resources therein of the indigenous peoples'. Today, all that the progeny of these indigenous people have are their Bibles, while the descendants of the conquerors have no need for theirs'. I think that's all I needed to know about Christianity, when I stopped being a Catholic. Perhaps that's something you should consider as "a strong Black man".

Umm, Judaism says hello, mr. Scientific Method. As well as the 150 millions Christians in China; tell me, who conquered China? Did Chairman Mao use a bible? Your obvious ignorance puts you on a par with your little demi-gods like Sam Harris. And your arrogance as a lapsed Catholic makes you a pretty pathetic commentator on scripture.

The Chinese government only acknowledges 14 million Christians, although international bodies believe that the number is actually closer to 90 million. Whatever the real figure is, it is a far cry from the 150 million you suggest. Even if it were real, there are 1.3 billion people in China, which would mean that Christians would represent just 11.5% of the population. And if you know anything about China, you would know that it has been conquered/occupied by the Monogolians, Japanese and England. The English, in particular, occupied Hong Kong until 1997. So yeah, my comment still stands.

In the future, please remember that a response alone is not inherently a sufficient rebuttal. You have a tendency to shift arguments and create phantom conversations and resort to insults in order to help fill the vacuum. Just so you know though, you're not fooling anyone into thinking that you have anything insightful to say.

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2/13/2014  7:51 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Was there video surveillance of this major event? Maybe on YouTube?

But I bet you believe the big bang theory with its astronomical probability. Personally I think the big bang did happen, just had an architect to design each step which would drastically lower the probability.

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2/13/2014  8:00 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
playa2 wrote:
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playa2 wrote:Men started religion, but Jesus didn't bring religion he brought a spiritual government. People equate religion with Jesus BUT he came to destroy religion that kept men in bondage.

Isiah 9:6-7 A child has been [or will be; born to us;
 a son has been given to us.
·He will be responsible for leading the people [ The government/rule/dominion will be on his shoulder].
His name will be Wonderful Counselor [or Wonderful! Counselor!; or Extraordinary Advisor], Powerful [Mighty] God,
·Father Who Lives Forever [Eternal Father], Prince of Peace.
7 There will be no end to the ·growth [abundance; increase] of his ·rule [dominion; government],

Religion was mans way to appease God, But God wanted to be known thru a relationship with his son and the spiritual government connection of heaven he wanted to re-connect with man after the fall of Adam and Eve.

Matt 7:6-9 Jesus replied (to religious leaders of his day), "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.And he continued, "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!

Be informed people .

This young man could and should have came to the league without all the fanfare , he chose not to and that was his choice. He can be gay if he wants to , but nobody cares if he likes men or women. Just come to the league and see if you can make a team without the agenda driven process just like everybody else. You're not privileged because you announce your sexual preference.

If people don't see this is as a challenge to the NFL for approval, acceptance of his lifestyle than it wouldn't make sense to approach the league this way. Dude didn't even make a roster yet, haven't even been drafted. LOL

...but Jesus didn't write the accounts you're describing. Someone else did and evidently that someone else intended to build a religion, since entire institutions were founded upon it. So why are you taking these accounts as gospel? Why do we then have to capitulate our public policies and perceptions to it, even if we don't believe a word of it?

What Jesus said is bond, whether you believe the sky is blue or not.

1 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.

Nard my brother: bail out. Playa is just gonna go Groundhog Day thru the hits at this point.

You're right. And this is my problem with religion. It somehow makes the thinkings of ordinary men, infallible and impervious to reason. I've heard that the devil's greatest trick was convincing man that he did not exist. When I see men ignoring the realities of their existence, I can't help but feel that (maybe he is real and that) he is winning.

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2/13/2014  8:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2014  8:37 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:I studied the bible heavily a couple of yrs ago. And while i'm not close to knowing everything or being an expert. There are some conclusions that I have come to.

First and foremost God is real. If God wasn't real then he was made up by man. Meaning there would be a time period in mans history where there was no God in existence. There is no documented time period in mans history that God wasn't in existence.

Second, Gods law that is eternal and unchanging is LOVE. God created a lot of rules, regulations, ordinances, instructions, guidlines to follow throughout the bible. Everything from what to eat Whatever divides the hoof and is cloven-footed, chewing the cud (Leviticus 11:3), whatever has fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, those you shall eat. (verse 9), sex, taxes etc etc etc. Every single guidline has its purpose to keep the order in society. More proof of his existence in my eyes as why would man(without Gods influence) create laws on what was good to eat or not eat during this time frame? How would they know the affects of any food to call it good or bad? Or laws of marriage, as Jrodmc stated kept the order of society for centuries. There is no way for them during this time period to know the negative affects of these actions on society to put these laws into place.

Now again the law that is eternal and unchanging is LOVE. But the rules, regulations, ordinances, instructions are changeable based on where man kind was at in there development. Notice how God at first in the bible stated to be fruitful and multiple allowing siblings to have sex with each other to fill the earth. Then later on put out the law that siblings were no longer allowed to have sex with each other. As in the beginning this was necessary for the earth to be filled but after the earth was filled it was no longer necessary so in order to keep society in order God decided to update his instructions. This was heavily taught by Jesus as the Scribes and Pharisees would often follow the laws as well as create there own laws to benefit themselves. But wouldn't follow Gods eternal law of LOVE.

Mark 3:1-6
3 Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. 2 Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. 3 Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Stand up in front of everyone.”

4 Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.

5 He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. 6 Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.

Clearly Jesus was stating that allowing a man to die just to follow Gods law of not doing any work on the Sabbath wasn't Gods will. Which clarifies that Gods law of LOVE overrides everything.

Third, I don't know what causes an individual to be gay. But I don't think we are at the part of mans development that passes judgement. If being Gay is wrong, I don't believe that it will lead to individuals burning in hell for eternity. There will be a time period where God lifts the curse from the earth and heaven will come down to earth and we will live under Jesus rule to be shown the proper way to live. If being homosexual is against Gods will then most likely the thought processes that goes with being homosexual will be removed. If homosexuality is a natural part of life then the thought process of being against homosexuals will be removed. The last 2 sentences were just my opinion though not biblical fact.

So in other words, every other religion is wrong but yours is right....because it says that it is. And somehow, there was no order before it....and yet many of the greatest empires came before anyone ever even conceived of it. Awesome bro.

I stated the conclusions that I came to that is all. I didn't write this to claim that I was right and everyone else was wrong, just sharing my thoughts.

With that said the earliest known civilization documented in mans history is Mesopotamia which was created after the flood of Noah. If I am wrong I would like to be educated.

You can believe what you want to believe but the Bible is no real historical account. If it was, the book would be continually expanding and updating itself; while focusing on more than the accounts of a random nomadic tribe.

You know what's interesting about Christianity though? Every other present day religion maintains it's highest concentration of followers in the areas/regions they originated: the Buddhist/Daoist still dominants East Asia, the Muslim still dominants the Middle East, the Hindu in India. Christianity is the only religion whose message was so compelling that hardly anyone in the region where it began, still follows it. The highest concentration of Christians today, exist in conquered lands. The conquerors came with their Bibles and took the land and all the resources therein of the indigenous peoples'. Today, all that the progeny of these indigenous people have are their Bibles, while the descendants of the conquerors have no need for theirs'. I think that's all I needed to know about Christianity, when I stopped being a Catholic. Perhaps that's something you should consider as "a strong Black man".

Yea but we took their land and raped their women and children in the name of The Lord so it's ok!

Through science weapons of mass destruction have been created killing millions of people. Through technology weapons have been created killing millions of people. Through sex people have been sold for profit & raped. Through Government & Politics people have suppressed others for there own personal gain.

Maybe mankind is just flawed, and have continually tainted there(Religion, Science, Technology, Sex, Government) purpose for personal gain. Or should we do away with Religion, Science, Technology, Sex, & Government? Would the world then be a better place?

So at best, religion is flawed because like government, it was created and is safeguarded by man. So why should we be pretending that it is the "final authority" for anyone or anything? Why do you wield it as some kind of infallible tool. "It says God exists.....so God must exist". "It says homosexuality is a sin.... so it MUST be sin".

I'm really not trying to continue this argument because clearly you have your views set in stone and I have mine. Neither of us are going to bend. So all that's going to happen is us arguing for days only to realize what we already know. Which is that we don't know everything.

But you are missing the point and have been since your first reply to me. Religion isn't flawed because its only a tool, same as science, government, technology etc etc.. All these tools can be manipulated by man for good or evil. Same as money, money can't be flawed because its only a tool. Its man kind that is flawed. If mankind was perfect then all these would automatically become perfect. I can use water to drown and kill a man or I could use water to replenish a man who's thirsty.

I also didn't say religion was the final authority for anyone or anything. If you actually read the original post which you replied to me its actually the opposite view. Religion isn't the final authority, Gods law of Love is the final authority for anyone or anything. If you use Gods law of love as dominion over any tool then you would only use these tools for good. If everyone followed Gods law of Love then there would be no wars saving billions upon billions of dollars to give back to the people. Farmers wouldn't need to destroy food in order to keep prices at a specific rate while people starve to death throughout the world. Taxes would be 100% used for its intended purpose without man dipping his hand in the cookie jar for there own personal gain. Etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

I understand why you feel the way you feel. Religion has been so corrupted by man that its easy to see why people denounce it.Again I don't have the answers to why a man is gay or not gay. If a man is gay or not we are all flawed sinners regardless. Under the New testament of the bible it is believed that heaven will come down on earth and we will be shown the proper way to live under Jesus rule for 1,000 years. Everyone will get a chance to live under this rule no matter what your beliefs were on earth as your heart is what will be judged not our beliefs. All the tools at our exposure will be used in there correct manner. Satan will be locked away for these 1,000 yrs freeing us from negative influence. This is the fear many believers have toward getting accustomed to a certain life style on earth as under Jesus rule you may not live the life style you grew accustomed to on earth. After the 1,000 yrs Satan will be released and there will be a final battle of Armageddon in which people that preferred the life style they had on earth will join Satan to fight for there right to live the life style they want and be wiped out from existence. And when I say life style I am not specifically talking about homosexuals but everything from being super wealthy to swingers etc.

In closing, I am not trying to tell you what to believe or claim I am right and you are wrong. The only point I care to make throughout any of this is that God's law is Love. No matter that our beliefs are different, i'm sure that at the end of the day we both desire peace and love for everyone.

All tools are flawed. An X-Ray gives us the opportunity to inexpensively examine internal injuries but can also cast shadows that lead to false-positives. Injuries also don't happen 2-dimensionally so there is that obvious limitation as well.

Whatever tool you can think of, there are inherent flaws and in that sense, religion is no different. You say that men corrupt religion but man also wrote/created religion e.g. Matthew, Luke, John, etc. Why then is it so unreasonable to presume then that religion is inherently corrupt? And if it is inherently corrupt, to what extent is it inherently corrupt? When the bulk of it consists of these fantastic stories that defy my reality and that of any peer-reviewed historical account, how can I not presume that all of it is corrupt?

That being said, I didn't mean to attack you specifically. As much as it isn't my cup of tea, I recognize that religion could serve a positive end for some; it seems to be the case for you. All too often though, religion is used as "home base" to spew bigotry and eccentric views without having to answer for them. That has consistently been the case for jrodmc and others. As I said before, I meant no ill will towards you but at the same time, those guys are very much in your camp. Since you were the first to officially begin to introduce biblical quotes, you became a target for response. That was all.

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2/13/2014  8:45 PM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I went to a show years ago and it was an all mens show dressed up like woman. I had a few drinks back then and damn they sure looked like women to me. I even brought one a drink and just for a second I forgot she was a he. Just like the Crying game. Now what did that make me?? I'm a mans man but can we be fooled at times and may do something you just might regret or maybe you liked it but wouldn't do it again. You just may have a little sugar in your tank but may never act on it.

Yea Papabear... I ain't gonna lie and say that I've had dudes hit on me or compliment me and sometimes it felt good! I've also hung out at gay bars coz my brother is gay and been hollered at at the bar by a dude with wack game and realized how women must feel: oh I hope this dude doesn't holler, I'm just trying to have a drink!

If you are attracted to a dude who looks like a woman, you can argue that is still very much a hetero response. Some trans-what-have-you dudes really know how to work femininity more than women! Maybe it's because they are savvy students of femininity. I think it's a spectrum because I don't think I'm 100% hetero, but pretty heavy on the hetero side. Maybe if I had different experiences I'd be something else. I like you openness about the topic since. I know you've been in the entertainment industry for a long time and get your gospel on. Ain't it funny how the best gospel musicians tend to have a bit of sugar in the tank themselves?

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2/13/2014  9:02 PM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I went to a show years ago and it was an all mens show dressed up like woman. I had a few drinks back then and damn they sure looked like women to me. I even brought one a drink and just for a second I forgot she was a he. Just like the Crying game. Now what did that make me?? I'm a mans man but can we be fooled at times and may do something you just might regret or maybe you liked it but wouldn't do it again. You just may have a little sugar in your tank but may never act on it.

Dude, I've seen an episode of Ricki Lake back in the day about men dressed up as women and have been fooled to, lol. Especially with the wonders of modern medicine, it's incredible the things that can be done to the human body. If you can believe it, this was once a man (not sure if it's pre-op or if there was even a post-op):

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2/13/2014  9:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2014  9:20 PM
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Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I went to a show years ago and it was an all mens show dressed up like woman. I had a few drinks back then and damn they sure looked like women to me. I even brought one a drink and just for a second I forgot she was a he. Just like the Crying game. Now what did that make me?? I'm a mans man but can we be fooled at times and may do something you just might regret or maybe you liked it but wouldn't do it again. You just may have a little sugar in your tank but may never act on it.

Yea Papabear... I ain't gonna lie and say that I've had dudes hit on me or compliment me and sometimes it felt good! I've also hung out at gay bars coz my brother is gay and been hollered at at the bar by a dude with wack game and realized how women must feel: oh I hope this dude doesn't holler, I'm just trying to have a drink!

If you are attracted to a dude who looks like a woman, you can argue that is still very much a hetero response. Some trans-what-have-you dudes really know how to work femininity more than women! Maybe it's because they are savvy students of femininity. I think it's a spectrum because I don't think I'm 100% hetero, but pretty heavy on the hetero side. Maybe if I had different experiences I'd be something else. I like you openness about the topic since. I know you've been in the entertainment industry for a long time and get your gospel on. Ain't it funny how the best gospel musicians tend to have a bit of sugar in the tank themselves?

LMAO, I thought it was just me. At first, it was a little disconcerting because I thought I was throwing off a vibe of some sort but then I realized that dudes are dudes and will consistently swing for the fences. Today, I just take it as a compliment and move on. Sometimes, it could be a huge benefit. I actually got a free gift card from a T-Mobile sales rep that rightfully recognized that I'm a sexy bitch, LMFAO.

I also been to a gay bar with my yuppy liberal friends; actually, the one in Georgetown that they showed in Real World DC. Every straight dude owes it to himself to visit one of these things at least once in their life. Getting hit on by a dude definitely puts things in perspective when it comes to how we try to pick up women. Most dudes were respectful but there's always the one or two that make you sympathize with girls in hetero-bars.

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2/13/2014  9:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2014  10:04 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:I studied the bible heavily a couple of yrs ago. And while i'm not close to knowing everything or being an expert. There are some conclusions that I have come to.

First and foremost God is real. If God wasn't real then he was made up by man. Meaning there would be a time period in mans history where there was no God in existence. There is no documented time period in mans history that God wasn't in existence.

Second, Gods law that is eternal and unchanging is LOVE. God created a lot of rules, regulations, ordinances, instructions, guidlines to follow throughout the bible. Everything from what to eat Whatever divides the hoof and is cloven-footed, chewing the cud (Leviticus 11:3), whatever has fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, those you shall eat. (verse 9), sex, taxes etc etc etc. Every single guidline has its purpose to keep the order in society. More proof of his existence in my eyes as why would man(without Gods influence) create laws on what was good to eat or not eat during this time frame? How would they know the affects of any food to call it good or bad? Or laws of marriage, as Jrodmc stated kept the order of society for centuries. There is no way for them during this time period to know the negative affects of these actions on society to put these laws into place.

Now again the law that is eternal and unchanging is LOVE. But the rules, regulations, ordinances, instructions are changeable based on where man kind was at in there development. Notice how God at first in the bible stated to be fruitful and multiple allowing siblings to have sex with each other to fill the earth. Then later on put out the law that siblings were no longer allowed to have sex with each other. As in the beginning this was necessary for the earth to be filled but after the earth was filled it was no longer necessary so in order to keep society in order God decided to update his instructions. This was heavily taught by Jesus as the Scribes and Pharisees would often follow the laws as well as create there own laws to benefit themselves. But wouldn't follow Gods eternal law of LOVE.

Mark 3:1-6
3 Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. 2 Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. 3 Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Stand up in front of everyone.”

4 Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.

5 He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. 6 Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.

Clearly Jesus was stating that allowing a man to die just to follow Gods law of not doing any work on the Sabbath wasn't Gods will. Which clarifies that Gods law of LOVE overrides everything.

Third, I don't know what causes an individual to be gay. But I don't think we are at the part of mans development that passes judgement. If being Gay is wrong, I don't believe that it will lead to individuals burning in hell for eternity. There will be a time period where God lifts the curse from the earth and heaven will come down to earth and we will live under Jesus rule to be shown the proper way to live. If being homosexual is against Gods will then most likely the thought processes that goes with being homosexual will be removed. If homosexuality is a natural part of life then the thought process of being against homosexuals will be removed. The last 2 sentences were just my opinion though not biblical fact.

So in other words, every other religion is wrong but yours is right....because it says that it is. And somehow, there was no order before it....and yet many of the greatest empires came before anyone ever even conceived of it. Awesome bro.

I stated the conclusions that I came to that is all. I didn't write this to claim that I was right and everyone else was wrong, just sharing my thoughts.

With that said the earliest known civilization documented in mans history is Mesopotamia which was created after the flood of Noah. If I am wrong I would like to be educated.

You can believe what you want to believe but the Bible is no real historical account. If it was, the book would be continually expanding and updating itself; while focusing on more than the accounts of a random nomadic tribe.

You know what's interesting about Christianity though? Every other present day religion maintains it's highest concentration of followers in the areas/regions they originated: the Buddhist/Daoist still dominants East Asia, the Muslim still dominants the Middle East, the Hindu in India. Christianity is the only religion whose message was so compelling that hardly anyone in the region where it began, still follows it. The highest concentration of Christians today, exist in conquered lands. The conquerors came with their Bibles and took the land and all the resources therein of the indigenous peoples'. Today, all that the progeny of these indigenous people have are their Bibles, while the descendants of the conquerors have no need for theirs'. I think that's all I needed to know about Christianity, when I stopped being a Catholic. Perhaps that's something you should consider as "a strong Black man".

Yea but we took their land and raped their women and children in the name of The Lord so it's ok!

Through science weapons of mass destruction have been created killing millions of people. Through technology weapons have been created killing millions of people. Through sex people have been sold for profit & raped. Through Government & Politics people have suppressed others for there own personal gain.

Maybe mankind is just flawed, and have continually tainted there(Religion, Science, Technology, Sex, Government) purpose for personal gain. Or should we do away with Religion, Science, Technology, Sex, & Government? Would the world then be a better place?

So at best, religion is flawed because like government, it was created and is safeguarded by man. So why should we be pretending that it is the "final authority" for anyone or anything? Why do you wield it as some kind of infallible tool. "It says God exists.....so God must exist". "It says homosexuality is a sin.... so it MUST be sin".

I'm really not trying to continue this argument because clearly you have your views set in stone and I have mine. Neither of us are going to bend. So all that's going to happen is us arguing for days only to realize what we already know. Which is that we don't know everything.

But you are missing the point and have been since your first reply to me. Religion isn't flawed because its only a tool, same as science, government, technology etc etc.. All these tools can be manipulated by man for good or evil. Same as money, money can't be flawed because its only a tool. Its man kind that is flawed. If mankind was perfect then all these would automatically become perfect. I can use water to drown and kill a man or I could use water to replenish a man who's thirsty.

I also didn't say religion was the final authority for anyone or anything. If you actually read the original post which you replied to me its actually the opposite view. Religion isn't the final authority, Gods law of Love is the final authority for anyone or anything. If you use Gods law of love as dominion over any tool then you would only use these tools for good. If everyone followed Gods law of Love then there would be no wars saving billions upon billions of dollars to give back to the people. Farmers wouldn't need to destroy food in order to keep prices at a specific rate while people starve to death throughout the world. Taxes would be 100% used for its intended purpose without man dipping his hand in the cookie jar for there own personal gain. Etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

I understand why you feel the way you feel. Religion has been so corrupted by man that its easy to see why people denounce it.Again I don't have the answers to why a man is gay or not gay. If a man is gay or not we are all flawed sinners regardless. Under the New testament of the bible it is believed that heaven will come down on earth and we will be shown the proper way to live under Jesus rule for 1,000 years. Everyone will get a chance to live under this rule no matter what your beliefs were on earth as your heart is what will be judged not our beliefs. All the tools at our exposure will be used in there correct manner. Satan will be locked away for these 1,000 yrs freeing us from negative influence. This is the fear many believers have toward getting accustomed to a certain life style on earth as under Jesus rule you may not live the life style you grew accustomed to on earth. After the 1,000 yrs Satan will be released and there will be a final battle of Armageddon in which people that preferred the life style they had on earth will join Satan to fight for there right to live the life style they want and be wiped out from existence. And when I say life style I am not specifically talking about homosexuals but everything from being super wealthy to swingers etc.

In closing, I am not trying to tell you what to believe or claim I am right and you are wrong. The only point I care to make throughout any of this is that God's law is Love. No matter that our beliefs are different, i'm sure that at the end of the day we both desire peace and love for everyone.

All tools are flawed. An X-Ray gives us the opportunity to inexpensively examine internal injuries but can also cast shadows that lead to false-positives. Injuries also don't happen 2-dimensionally so there is that obvious limitation as well.

Whatever tool you can think of, there are inherent flaws and in that sense, religion is no different. You say that men corrupt religion but man also wrote/created religion e.g. Matthew, Luke, John, etc. Why then is it so unreasonable to presume then that religion is inherently corrupt? And if it is inherently corrupt, to what extent is it inherently corrupt? When the bulk of it consists of these fantastic stories that defy my reality and that of any peer-reviewed historical account, how can I not presume that all of it is corrupt?

That being said, I didn't mean to attack you specifically. As much as it isn't my cup of tea, I recognize that religion could serve a positive end for some; it seems to be the case for you. All too often though, religion is used as "home base" to spew bigotry and eccentric views without having to answer for them. That has consistently been the case for jrodmc and others. As I said before, I meant no ill will towards you but at the same time, those guys are very much in your camp. Since you were the first to officially begin to introduce biblical quotes, you became a target for response. That was all.

I appreciate what you been saying newyorknewyork, you are talking about it from your perspective and being pretty reasonable in reconciling your personal beliefs with understanding that it's your experience. I've own a Bible since 3rd grade and have lots of exposure to different flavors of Christianity and other religions. Sometimes I actually resent the amount of time I've spent trying to figure this out since my conclusion was that I just don't know if the claims of Christians and other religions are even knowable (agnostic), but practically, I don't think believe in gods (atheist) nor angels, demons, or ghosts. Or maybe *everything* is God (pantheism) which kinda gets you to the same place as atheism, it's just a matter of definitions then (Universe = God). Just because you are an atheist doesn't mean you can't believe in irrational stuff like astrology or the Knicks winning the championship!

Just want to acknowledge your approach. Like you said, unlikely that we'll convince each other to change our positions, but like NardDog was saying, you've got to understand that circular logic via the Bible doesn't work with someone who just sees the Bible as another creation of man not God. Like I keep coming back to: we simply believe in one less god than you do, but you don't believe in those other gods because one of the rules is not to believe in worship any other but the God of Israel (I know my Bible enough to correct that mistake. It's "thou shalt have no other before/above me…" not there aren't others… so can you believe that all others exist but that yours is the only one worth worshipping? Maybe all the other gods are actually demons! And then I just made a whole new denomination with my speculation.)

But you the Greeks created Zeus and not the other way around… you believe the Yoruba created their pantheon, not the other way around. You believe the Romans created Jupiter, not the other way around. We just take it one step further to the God of Abraham and his incarnation Jesus. You have to admit, it's a tough story to swallow for modern humans. There are so many ways to read that book, and I personally worry sensible people make massive leaps of logic without acknowledging it.

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2/13/2014  9:44 PM
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I went to a show years ago and it was an all mens show dressed up like woman. I had a few drinks back then and damn they sure looked like women to me. I even brought one a drink and just for a second I forgot she was a he. Just like the Crying game. Now what did that make me?? I'm a mans man but can we be fooled at times and may do something you just might regret or maybe you liked it but wouldn't do it again. You just may have a little sugar in your tank but may never act on it.

Yea Papabear... I ain't gonna lie and say that I've had dudes hit on me or compliment me and sometimes it felt good! I've also hung out at gay bars coz my brother is gay and been hollered at at the bar by a dude with wack game and realized how women must feel: oh I hope this dude doesn't holler, I'm just trying to have a drink!

If you are attracted to a dude who looks like a woman, you can argue that is still very much a hetero response. Some trans-what-have-you dudes really know how to work femininity more than women! Maybe it's because they are savvy students of femininity. I think it's a spectrum because I don't think I'm 100% hetero, but pretty heavy on the hetero side. Maybe if I had different experiences I'd be something else. I like you openness about the topic since. I know you've been in the entertainment industry for a long time and get your gospel on. Ain't it funny how the best gospel musicians tend to have a bit of sugar in the tank themselves?

LMAO, I thought it was just me. At first, it was a little disconcerting because I thought I was throwing off a vibe of some sort but then I realized that dudes are dudes and will consistently swing for the fences. Today, I just take it as a compliment and move on. Sometimes, it could be a huge benefit. I actually got a free gift card from a T-Mobile sales rep that rightfully recognized that I'm a sexy bitch, LMFAO.

I also been to a gay bar with my yuppy liberal friends; actually, the one in Georgetown that they showed in Real World DC. Every straight dude owes it to himself to visit one of these things at least once in their life. Getting hit on by a dude definitely puts things in perspective when it comes to how we try to pick up women. Most dudes were respectful but there's always the one or two that make you sympathize with girls in hetero-bars.

Hahaha! Word. And that's why you saw women having a grand ol time with my man Sam. They get to go to a bar with hot guys who compliment them and dance well and don't wanna get in their pants. So think if you are the straight guy in there getting vouched by your gay homies? You are in there!

Brothers, is the 21st century, we gotta adapt. Hahaha...

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I went to a show years ago and it was an all mens show dressed up like woman. I had a few drinks back then and damn they sure looked like women to me. I even brought one a drink and just for a second I forgot she was a he. Just like the Crying game. Now what did that make me?? I'm a mans man but can we be fooled at times and may do something you just might regret or maybe you liked it but wouldn't do it again. You just may have a little sugar in your tank but may never act on it.

Dude, I've seen an episode of Ricki Lake back in the day about men dressed up as women and have been fooled to, lol. Especially with the wonders of modern medicine, it's incredible the things that can be done to the human body. If you can believe it, this was once a man (not sure if it's pre-op or if there was even a post-op):

I saw the whole deal with her on Piers Morgan. Yea I think she had an operation and wrote a book (look it up jrod and co., more spectacle freak show ammo!)… I wonder how far she would go in Alba! Hahaha...

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2/13/2014  10:08 PM
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Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I went to a show years ago and it was an all mens show dressed up like woman. I had a few drinks back then and damn they sure looked like women to me. I even brought one a drink and just for a second I forgot she was a he. Just like the Crying game. Now what did that make me?? I'm a mans man but can we be fooled at times and may do something you just might regret or maybe you liked it but wouldn't do it again. You just may have a little sugar in your tank but may never act on it.

Yea Papabear... I ain't gonna lie and say that I've had dudes hit on me or compliment me and sometimes it felt good! I've also hung out at gay bars coz my brother is gay and been hollered at at the bar by a dude with wack game and realized how women must feel: oh I hope this dude doesn't holler, I'm just trying to have a drink!

If you are attracted to a dude who looks like a woman, you can argue that is still very much a hetero response. Some trans-what-have-you dudes really know how to work femininity more than women! Maybe it's because they are savvy students of femininity. I think it's a spectrum because I don't think I'm 100% hetero, but pretty heavy on the hetero side. Maybe if I had different experiences I'd be something else. I like you openness about the topic since. I know you've been in the entertainment industry for a long time and get your gospel on. Ain't it funny how the best gospel musicians tend to have a bit of sugar in the tank themselves?

LMAO, I thought it was just me. At first, it was a little disconcerting because I thought I was throwing off a vibe of some sort but then I realized that dudes are dudes and will consistently swing for the fences. Today, I just take it as a compliment and move on. Sometimes, it could be a huge benefit. I actually got a free gift card from a T-Mobile sales rep that rightfully recognized that I'm a sexy bitch, LMFAO.

I also been to a gay bar with my yuppy liberal friends; actually, the one in Georgetown that they showed in Real World DC. Every straight dude owes it to himself to visit one of these things at least once in their life. Getting hit on by a dude definitely puts things in perspective when it comes to how we try to pick up women. Most dudes were respectful but there's always the one or two that make you sympathize with girls in hetero-bars.

Hahaha! Word. And that's why you saw women having a grand ol time with my man Sam. They get to go to a bar with hot guys who compliment them and dance well and don't wanna get in their pants. So think if you are the straight guy in there getting vouched by your gay homies? You are in there!

Brothers, is the 21st century, we gotta adapt. Hahaha...

True story: I was once able to grab a titty at a bar because of inadvertent wingplay of a gay man. Sure! I was with someone else, who happened to be at the bar as well but exit plans are for pussies. All I know is that any man that can finagle me some PG-13 boob play is a Goddamn American hero.

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Good heady stuff guys!

I dig the introspective educated view.

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newyorknewyork wrote:I studied the bible heavily a couple of yrs ago. And while i'm not close to knowing everything or being an expert. There are some conclusions that I have come to.

First and foremost God is real. If God wasn't real then he was made up by man. Meaning there would be a time period in mans history where there was no God in existence. There is no documented time period in mans history that God wasn't in existence.

Second, Gods law that is eternal and unchanging is LOVE. God created a lot of rules, regulations, ordinances, instructions, guidlines to follow throughout the bible. Everything from what to eat Whatever divides the hoof and is cloven-footed, chewing the cud (Leviticus 11:3), whatever has fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, those you shall eat. (verse 9), sex, taxes etc etc etc. Every single guidline has its purpose to keep the order in society. More proof of his existence in my eyes as why would man(without Gods influence) create laws on what was good to eat or not eat during this time frame? How would they know the affects of any food to call it good or bad? Or laws of marriage, as Jrodmc stated kept the order of society for centuries. There is no way for them during this time period to know the negative affects of these actions on society to put these laws into place.

Now again the law that is eternal and unchanging is LOVE. But the rules, regulations, ordinances, instructions are changeable based on where man kind was at in there development. Notice how God at first in the bible stated to be fruitful and multiple allowing siblings to have sex with each other to fill the earth. Then later on put out the law that siblings were no longer allowed to have sex with each other. As in the beginning this was necessary for the earth to be filled but after the earth was filled it was no longer necessary so in order to keep society in order God decided to update his instructions. This was heavily taught by Jesus as the Scribes and Pharisees would often follow the laws as well as create there own laws to benefit themselves. But wouldn't follow Gods eternal law of LOVE.

Mark 3:1-6
3 Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. 2 Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. 3 Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Stand up in front of everyone.”

4 Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.

5 He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. 6 Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.

Clearly Jesus was stating that allowing a man to die just to follow Gods law of not doing any work on the Sabbath wasn't Gods will. Which clarifies that Gods law of LOVE overrides everything.

Third, I don't know what causes an individual to be gay. But I don't think we are at the part of mans development that passes judgement. If being Gay is wrong, I don't believe that it will lead to individuals burning in hell for eternity. There will be a time period where God lifts the curse from the earth and heaven will come down to earth and we will live under Jesus rule to be shown the proper way to live. If being homosexual is against Gods will then most likely the thought processes that goes with being homosexual will be removed. If homosexuality is a natural part of life then the thought process of being against homosexuals will be removed. The last 2 sentences were just my opinion though not biblical fact.

So in other words, every other religion is wrong but yours is right....because it says that it is. And somehow, there was no order before it....and yet many of the greatest empires came before anyone ever even conceived of it. Awesome bro.

I stated the conclusions that I came to that is all. I didn't write this to claim that I was right and everyone else was wrong, just sharing my thoughts.

With that said the earliest known civilization documented in mans history is Mesopotamia which was created after the flood of Noah. If I am wrong I would like to be educated.

You can believe what you want to believe but the Bible is no real historical account. If it was, the book would be continually expanding and updating itself; while focusing on more than the accounts of a random nomadic tribe.

You know what's interesting about Christianity though? Every other present day religion maintains it's highest concentration of followers in the areas/regions they originated: the Buddhist/Daoist still dominants East Asia, the Muslim still dominants the Middle East, the Hindu in India. Christianity is the only religion whose message was so compelling that hardly anyone in the region where it began, still follows it. The highest concentration of Christians today, exist in conquered lands. The conquerors came with their Bibles and took the land and all the resources therein of the indigenous peoples'. Today, all that the progeny of these indigenous people have are their Bibles, while the descendants of the conquerors have no need for theirs'. I think that's all I needed to know about Christianity, when I stopped being a Catholic. Perhaps that's something you should consider as "a strong Black man".

Umm, Judaism says hello, mr. Scientific Method. As well as the 150 millions Christians in China; tell me, who conquered China? Did Chairman Mao use a bible? Your obvious ignorance puts you on a par with your little demi-gods like Sam Harris. And your arrogance as a lapsed Catholic makes you a pretty pathetic commentator on scripture.

It's all in the book, suckas!

One thought, the major religions that had a hold there before there — Taoism, Confucianism, and Buddhism — aren't *theistic* religions at their core… though obviously folk dieties were there. More about bigging up the ancestors… the family name comes first… So maybe they were predisposed to atheism/materialism. They've done some shameful repression, I definitely agree. I don't hate religion, I actually respect aspects of it. And I may be flip for argument's sake, but I wouldn't go in a church and cuss a lady in her church hat. Just being an Internet tough guy. ;)

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2/13/2014  10:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2014  10:37 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
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Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I went to a show years ago and it was an all mens show dressed up like woman. I had a few drinks back then and damn they sure looked like women to me. I even brought one a drink and just for a second I forgot she was a he. Just like the Crying game. Now what did that make me?? I'm a mans man but can we be fooled at times and may do something you just might regret or maybe you liked it but wouldn't do it again. You just may have a little sugar in your tank but may never act on it.

Dude, I've seen an episode of Ricki Lake back in the day about men dressed up as women and have been fooled to, lol. Especially with the wonders of modern medicine, it's incredible the things that can be done to the human body. If you can believe it, this was once a man (not sure if it's pre-op or if there was even a post-op):

I saw the whole deal with her on Piers Morgan. Yea I think she had an operation and wrote a book (look it up jrod and co., more spectacle freak show ammo!)… I wonder how far she would go in Alba! Hahaha...

The funny thing is that if no one said anything, she'd get reasonably far. I was initially attracted until I found out that she was transgendered. I know that makes me something of a hypocrite but that is a hurdle that I can't/not sure if I want to clear. Who knows though. We've all lip-locked randoms at college parties, bars, etc. You never know for sure what may have once been in that person's past. From that perspective, it's stupid to still have the stigma.

Funny story though, one of my friends had an internship in some southeast Asian country (I think it was Thailand). Anyway, she was out one night with her roommates at some mixer, when someone in her group (a dude) started hitting on a "girl" there. He inevitably takes her home to eventually find ****-and-balls where a vag is suppose to be. I forget exactly how the story goes from this point but I'm assuming that words were exchanged. I say that because a few days later, the guy is riding around on a moped and as he approaches an intersection, gets roundhouse kicked off the bike. It's the girl from way back when who evidently knew a little muy thai. Not only did he have his pride broken by getting the **** kicked out of him but also limped away with a broken arm, lol. Anyway, I can't help but feel that the story was bull**** because of the coincidence of it but it was funny as hell the way she told it to me.

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2/13/2014  10:57 PM
NardDogNation wrote:The funny thing is that if no one said anything, she'd get reasonably far. I was initially attracted until I found out that she was transgendered. I know that makes me something of a hypocrite but that is a hurdle that I can't/not sure if I want to clear. Who knows though. We've all lip-locked randoms at college parties, bars, etc. You never know for sure what may have once been in that person's past. From that perspective, it's stupid to still have the stigma.

Funny story though, one of my friends had an internship in some southeast Asian country (I think it was Thailand). Anyway, she was out one night with her roommates at some mixer, when someone in her group (a dude) started hitting on a "girl" there. He inevitably takes her home to eventually find ****-and-balls where a vag is suppose to be. I forget exactly how the story goes from this point but I'm assuming that words were exchanged. I say that because a few days later, the guy is riding around on a moped and as he approaches an intersection, gets roundhouse kicked off the bike. It's the girl from way back when who evidently knew a little muy thai. Not only did he have his pride broken by getting the **** kicked out of him but also limped away with a broken arm, lol. Anyway, I can't help but feel that the story was bull**** because of the coincidence of it but it was funny as hell the way she told it to me.

Hilarious, Nard… I like the way you think, man. That and PG-13 wing work at the bar… priceless.

All these shenanigans we are talking about are going to scare everyone back into thinking Sam is a harbinger of mass sexual ambiguity, though! Think of the babies!

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http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/ex-homosexuals-marriage-slammed-by-activists/

The reaction of Besen and other activists boils down to an inhuman hope for failure, said Peter LaBarbera, president of Americans for Truth about Homosexuality.

“In what other area of life do you see this?” he asked in an interview with WND. “Somebody tries to overcome drugs and falls back, and you say, ‘That’s it, nobody can change.’”

LaBarbera said the only people “who are not celebrating this marriage of a guy who was once involved in homosexuality are the homosexual radicals like Wayne Besen.”

“They are basically celebrating failure,” he said. “They’re all about focusing on the failures, because they can’t admit that homosexual identity and behavior is something you can change.”

LaBarbera said that while some who have declared themselves to be ex-”gay” have gone back to their old ways, Glatze represents many more success stories that don’t receive publicity.

Unfortunately, he said the establishment media focuses on messengers like Besen.

“I think if the average person knew about Michael Glatze, their whole view of the homosexual issue would change,” LaBarbera told WND. “And maybe that’s why people like Besen are so desperate to do anything they can to ridicule, to demonize, to mock, to deny that they even exist.”

He said homosexual activists don’t live up to their appeals for “dignity” and “tolerance.”

“Everything they once said they stood for, they are now doing the opposite toward ex-gays,” LaBarbera said.

‘People have called me a lot of things’

In his letter to his critics, Glatze says he and he new bride don’t want to become “political pawns.”

“I have never called myself an ‘ex-gay,’ though people have called me that,” he writes. “But, then again, people have called me a lot of things on account of the fact that I left homosexuality a few years back and decided that I felt more comfortable living heterosexually.”

Glatze explains he wanted to “make a little ‘shout out’ to all of the angry homosexuals in our country who are currently spreading all sorts of hate and aggression on pro-homosexual blogs.”

Michael and Rebekah Glatze

“Look, I am not interested in defending myself. I don’t really need to do that,” he writes. “I understand your plight, your point-of-view. I understand the desire to want me to be crazy, or lost in my head and mind, or confused. I understand that it would be just easier if I didn’t exist, or I would just crawl into a hole somewhere and die. But I’m not going to do that.”

In an plea for his and his wife’s safety, he asks that “instead of plotting my death, you may consider the possibility that I do have a legitimate right to life and a legitimate right to my own” decisions.

He says that since so many have commented on his wedding — photos from his personal account meant only for family and friends were widely distributed — he wants to make it clear that “I am not here to ‘force my agenda’ or my ‘lifestyle’ on anyone else.”

“I am here to live a good, God-honoring life,” he said. “And, as a Christian, I would be a liar if I didn’t tell people who God is, what He has done in my life and how He continues to provide for me in ways that are more numerous than I can count.”

‘No safer place than Bible school’

In a 2007 interview with WND, Glatze said he became aware of homosexual feelings at about the age of 14 and publicly declared himself “gay” at age 20. After a decade in which his leadership role in the homosexual activist world grew – but alongside it, a mysterious inner conflict – he said he finally was “liberated.”

After becoming editor of Young Gay America magazine at age 22, Glatze received numerous awards and recognition, including the National Role Model Award from the major homosexual-rights organization Equality Forum. Media gravitated toward him, leading to appearances on PBS television and MSNBC and quotes in a cover story in Time magazine called “The Battle Over Gay Teens.”

He produced, with the help of PBS affiliates and Equality Forum, the first major documentary film to address homosexual teen suicide, “Jim In Bold,” which toured the world and received numerous “best in festival” awards. Young Gay America’s photo exhibit, telling the story of young people across North America, toured Europe, Canada and parts of the U.S.

In 2005, Glatze was featured in a panel with Judy Shepard, mother of slain homosexual Matthew Shepard, at the prestigious JFK Jr. Forum at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government.

One of Glatze’s former colleagues in the homosexual-rights movement wrote a first-person article in the New York Times Magazine in June 2011 about his trip to visit Glatze, who was in Bible school at the time.

Benoit Denizet-Lewis concluded: “As I drove back to my hotel that night, I wondered if I would ever hear from Michael again. Might he call me someday to say that he was gay after all, and that his years as an ex-gay were just another pit stop in his lifelong pursuit of truth?

“It’s possible, but I doubt it will happen anytime soon,” Denizet-Lewis wrote.

“For an ex-gay intent on staying that way, there are few safer places in the world than a Bible school in Wyoming.”

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playa2 wrote:Men started religion, but Jesus didn't bring religion he brought a spiritual government. People equate religion with Jesus BUT he came to destroy religion that kept men in bondage.

Isiah 9:6-7 A child has been [or will be; born to us;
 a son has been given to us.
·He will be responsible for leading the people [ The government/rule/dominion will be on his shoulder].
His name will be Wonderful Counselor [or Wonderful! Counselor!; or Extraordinary Advisor], Powerful [Mighty] God,
·Father Who Lives Forever [Eternal Father], Prince of Peace.
7 There will be no end to the ·growth [abundance; increase] of his ·rule [dominion; government],

Religion was mans way to appease God, But God wanted to be known thru a relationship with his son and the spiritual government connection of heaven he wanted to re-connect with man after the fall of Adam and Eve.

Matt 7:6-9 Jesus replied (to religious leaders of his day), "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.And he continued, "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!

Be informed people .

This young man could and should have came to the league without all the fanfare , he chose not to and that was his choice. He can be gay if he wants to , but nobody cares if he likes men or women. Just come to the league and see if you can make a team without the agenda driven process just like everybody else. You're not privileged because you announce your sexual preference.

If people don't see this is as a challenge to the NFL for approval, acceptance of his lifestyle than it wouldn't make sense to approach the league this way. Dude didn't even make a roster yet, haven't even been drafted. LOL

...but Jesus didn't write the accounts you're describing. Someone else did and evidently that someone else intended to build a religion, since entire institutions were founded upon it. So why are you taking these accounts as gospel? Why do we then have to capitulate our public policies and perceptions to it, even if we don't believe a word of it?

What Jesus said is bond, whether you believe the sky is blue or not.

1 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.

Nard my brother: bail out. Playa is just gonna go Groundhog Day thru the hits at this point.

You're right. And this is my problem with religion. It somehow makes the thinkings of ordinary men, infallible and impervious to reason. I've heard that the devil's greatest trick was convincing man that he did not exist. When I see men ignoring the realities of their existence, I can't help but feel that (maybe he is real and that) he is winning.

“Homosexual, bisexual, and transsexual groups spend tens of millions of dollars every year to market and normalize their aberrant lifestyles, yet after all these years there are still only a handful of advocates working solely to expose and counter their agendas,” he said.

“It’s time for Americans to unapologetically resist the demands of this lobby, and to counter the lies upon which it is built–the foremost being that certain people are inherently or ‘born’ homosexual and that this is a civil rights issue.”

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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2/13/2014  11:16 PM

Someone profited from a lie?

Oh my!!!! Imagine such a thing!!!

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2/14/2014  12:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/14/2014  12:04 AM
playa2 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
playa2 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
playa2 wrote:Men started religion, but Jesus didn't bring religion he brought a spiritual government. People equate religion with Jesus BUT he came to destroy religion that kept men in bondage.

Isiah 9:6-7 A child has been [or will be; born to us;
 a son has been given to us.
·He will be responsible for leading the people [ The government/rule/dominion will be on his shoulder].
His name will be Wonderful Counselor [or Wonderful! Counselor!; or Extraordinary Advisor], Powerful [Mighty] God,
·Father Who Lives Forever [Eternal Father], Prince of Peace.
7 There will be no end to the ·growth [abundance; increase] of his ·rule [dominion; government],

Religion was mans way to appease God, But God wanted to be known thru a relationship with his son and the spiritual government connection of heaven he wanted to re-connect with man after the fall of Adam and Eve.

Matt 7:6-9 Jesus replied (to religious leaders of his day), "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.And he continued, "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!

Be informed people .

This young man could and should have came to the league without all the fanfare , he chose not to and that was his choice. He can be gay if he wants to , but nobody cares if he likes men or women. Just come to the league and see if you can make a team without the agenda driven process just like everybody else. You're not privileged because you announce your sexual preference.

If people don't see this is as a challenge to the NFL for approval, acceptance of his lifestyle than it wouldn't make sense to approach the league this way. Dude didn't even make a roster yet, haven't even been drafted. LOL

...but Jesus didn't write the accounts you're describing. Someone else did and evidently that someone else intended to build a religion, since entire institutions were founded upon it. So why are you taking these accounts as gospel? Why do we then have to capitulate our public policies and perceptions to it, even if we don't believe a word of it?

What Jesus said is bond, whether you believe the sky is blue or not.

1 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.

Nard my brother: bail out. Playa is just gonna go Groundhog Day thru the hits at this point.

You're right. And this is my problem with religion. It somehow makes the thinkings of ordinary men, infallible and impervious to reason. I've heard that the devil's greatest trick was convincing man that he did not exist. When I see men ignoring the realities of their existence, I can't help but feel that (maybe he is real and that) he is winning.

“Homosexual, bisexual, and transsexual groups spend tens of millions of dollars every year to market and normalize their aberrant lifestyles, yet after all these years there are still only a handful of advocates working solely to expose and counter their agendas,” he said.

“It’s time for Americans to unapologetically resist the demands of this lobby, and to counter the lies upon which it is built–the foremost being that certain people are inherently or ‘born’ homosexual and that this is a civil rights issue.”

The Mormons alone, spent tens of millions of dollars on crusades against gay marriage (Prop 8). So in what world are there few advocates for your anti-LGBT agenda? Hell, we have Americans Evangelicals right now that are mobilizing people just like you in other countries to terrorize these people. Places like Uganda, Nigeria and other African nations have made homosexuality a capital offense. India, birthplace of the Kama Sutra, recently made homosexuality a crime as well. In Russian, you can go to jail for mounting the kind of defense that I and my peers are. So what the **** are you talking about? You're entitled to your own belief system, not your own reality or facts. And fact of the matter is that there are more people in the world that share your opinion than is on my side.

O.T Michael Sams : Im a college graduate, African American and Im A GAY FOOTBALL PLAYER

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