Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysOne of the poster haters I do have on ignore because when a person is so riddled with such hate personally on a player I believe is crossing the line. This Knicks team is owned by Dolan. There are many teams in the NBA. None of these guys have one dime invested in this franchise. No one tells them what type of suit to buy if they own one
So they can't tell Dolan how to spend his money. I was a big Coca Cola fan years ago until I found out that right after world war 2 they went to Germany and gave Max Shelling 1 million dollar to be a sponsor of Coca Cola and didn't give Joe Lewis the Boxing Champ a dime. Government took all of Joe Lewis money and property because of taxes on gross monies he earned and they added interest. The sad thing was that they charge Lewis on monies that was paid to his managers and other workers. I hated Coca Cola. But you know what?? in time I changed because Coca Cola changed. They sponsored a lot of things in poor neighborhoods. I started drinking Coca Cola again. All is forgiven. Maybe some of you Melo haters can take a second look and see the good Melo is doing with his game and you can change your hating way?? Naa I doubt it
Keep on hatin. That's all you know how to do. I will never believe they are true knick fans.
I would be the first to admit that I dislike Melo for reasons on and off the court
I do not consider myself a hater though and I do give ways in which I think we can build a contending team with MELO and for him to take less money for 1 year and then get rewarded after in contracts and becoming future partners with Dolan in other area's to generate more money
He is a talented scorer but he needs highly skilled players that compliment him like he had in TEAM USA but those talents don't come cheap
I don't think you can pay a starting salary at 27m with raises starting this summer for those reasons, for GOD SAKES that is half the entire salary cap for a 12 man roster
With that salary you can pay 2 MAX salaries that are younger, it is just not money well spent, and with this CBA we loss our ability to BUY talent, especially overpaying for it
I am a Knick's fan first Papa Bear, in other words, I root for the best interest of the Knick's and the best team that they possibly can be in order to contend
We have different opinions and I am fine with that, but sometimes you go too far with your own opinions and dislikes for others thoughts here
If we are thinking about ever contending, my ideal team has to be able to challenge the Indiana Pacer's because I see their team only improving and they are all young with a few veterans
I can't justify paying Melo what Paul George and Hibbert would both add up to, and I do think Paul George is the more complete player, something I said last year already
Now if you are happy with POSSIBLY making the playoffs and possibly being in the 6th to 12th in the East, then overpaying in order to keep Melo isn't a bad idea if it continues to fill seats as a business
But if we continue to lose, it won't justify the prices for the tickets, and it wont be good for business
Unlike some other posters that you might characterize me as a "HATER" for Melo, I give examples on how we pay Melo a large amount of money AFTER 2016 both on and off the court for MELO's POV, Dolan's POV, and have a team that has the talent to contend
but by going this route, like Brigg's has said, we are losing leverage on possible trades, and risk losing him walk for NO COMPENSATION at all, or OVERPAYING for him that will NOT allow us to ever contend as long as he is here
In the end, we have to develop players, Lance Stephenson is a prime example that took years to develop and a risk
He was surrounded with high character players, a TEAM SYSTEM, and veterans
However, we don't believe in the development of players and that is something I think we need to change in order to get better
Getting rid of Woodson, all of the coaching staff, a new GM, and having coaches that will take no CRAP and lay the law with success and Dolan out of his business such as Poppavich and Buford. A team of coaches, that values development, finding the balance between talent, work ethic, motivated leaders (like Durant/Westbrook/Harden, Lebron/Wade/Bosh, Paul George/Roy Hibbert/David West, the work they put in off and off the court has a multiple chain reaction effect on one another, and veterans to mentor them
NO ONE person is greater than the game and sacrifices must be made on and off the court, it is what it is
In the end the greatest stat and only stat that matters is the W, not personal achievements
We need a coach that is willing to put these players in their place, as Woody once called in accountability, instead of enabling poor shot selection and schemes/plays that do not work
Woodson doesn't utilize his rotations and players well, he runs mainly a spread offense, with mainly ISO, some PnR, and tries to use the C to pull the opponents Center out from shot blocking/rebounding with Chandler
I have no doubt and believe we could have built a much better team than the one we currently had if Donnie Walsh finished his job, instead of Dolan stepping in
Call me what you want, our record in the playoffs speaks for itself, even without the trade for Melo, could we have done any worse than we did that year?
He was a WANT, not a NEED, we had 3 fine F's in Fields/Wilson Chandler/Gallo that working working well together and were young, heck we could have flipped some of them for future assets as well, being part of future CP3 and D12 trade talks at the right price, if we got rid of Felton at a high price like Denver was smart enough to do
We could have kept all those assets and just continue to watch spending, collect assets
Wait patiently, another team will want those assets, especially when you collect enough assets, like Houston did and now the Sun's, Boston, Celtics are all doing, they got an ALL STAR in Harden for less than half of what we gave up, including saving Denver 50m in salary/taxes
2/3/2014 5:17 PM