tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:I will say I really overrated the value of our package for Melo. I was wrong about that. We really did trade spare parts and low level picks.

TFK.. you always talk about what a tragedy it is to pay Melo $20mm a year plus, but the reality is $20mm a year is much better spent on Melo then a combined Gallo/Chandler/Mosgov.

That right there is the gist of it. You can stick spare parts around Melo.. guys like Toney Douglas, Landry Fields, Copeland, bla bla bla and you make the playoffs. Stick the same spare parts around Chandler/Gallo/Mosgov and they are a lottery team.

I dont love Melo here, we cant build this thing right to get the most out of his talent with this retarded owner so its pointless, but in terms of value? I once thought the Knicks got fleeced. We didnt. we made out just fine. Its the moves after we totally yacked up

+1
This. All day, everyday.

We read Melo blew up the team. We read over and over about Melo forcing to trade half the team away. What team?

It's wasted typing though. tkf would trade melo straight up for the rights to Darko's dog. Make that Darko's dog's sheehit.

Remember the miles of threads showing us how great Denver was after the trade? How they were building for the future? How Karl's genius was finally going to show through? How Gallo was going to be everything at both ends that Melo never would be, in the playoffs and beyond?

Hello? It's the future gentlemen.

how is that working out for us now? we have better than spare parts and we suck...

according to you what stars do denver have? yet they won 57 games last year... they have won more games than us every year since the trade.. even right now, up to this point they are a game better and they don't even have gallo playing..

plus the picks, lord forbids we miss the playoffs and win the lottery..

this kind of talk is just foolish.. absolutely foolish.. carmelo is a waste of 20million dollars.. not money well spent... you guys can fool yourselves all you want..

the proof is in the pudding

3-7 and counting..

First round and out. Say that to yourself.
they won 57 games, but they're first...round...and...out.

I thought the regular season didn't matter? Remember that line of reasoning when everyone on here talks about 54 wins and winning the division?

Try a little consistency, tkf. It might help your coherence.

You'd rather be Utah <---this is sig worthy, dude. Seriously.

DENVER IS now .500 and not healthy

knicks are 3-9 and stink..

say that to yourself Jrod and find another hobby, you not good at this..

regular season matters to teams like Denver who are clearly trying to rebuild..

win now teams like the knicks.. 54 wins and then getting your brains blown out in the playoffs hurts.. no moral victories for these geezers...

jrod sounds like he is Dolan's wife--she may know a little more about basketball than him although that is not saying too much. J rod I second it--Id 100X rather be Utah than the Knicks. In fact Id bet 90% of savvy knick fans would rather be in uTahs position.

I dont like where the Knicks are, but I certainly wouldnt want to be in Utahs shoes either.

why not? did you see all the picks they have? they have two in this upcoming draft, and guys like favors are only getting better.. they can be good soon, and fast.. as I said, you don't have to be bad in this league for long...

Utah has picks, so does the Cavs Bobcats and hawks...I dont envy any of them.

I'm not content with the Knicks, but that doesnt make me want other teams losing situations.

knickscity wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:I will say I really overrated the value of our package for Melo. I was wrong about that. We really did trade spare parts and low level picks.

TFK.. you always talk about what a tragedy it is to pay Melo $20mm a year plus, but the reality is $20mm a year is much better spent on Melo then a combined Gallo/Chandler/Mosgov.

That right there is the gist of it. You can stick spare parts around Melo.. guys like Toney Douglas, Landry Fields, Copeland, bla bla bla and you make the playoffs. Stick the same spare parts around Chandler/Gallo/Mosgov and they are a lottery team.

I dont love Melo here, we cant build this thing right to get the most out of his talent with this retarded owner so its pointless, but in terms of value? I once thought the Knicks got fleeced. We didnt. we made out just fine. Its the moves after we totally yacked up

+1
This. All day, everyday.

We read Melo blew up the team. We read over and over about Melo forcing to trade half the team away. What team?

It's wasted typing though. tkf would trade melo straight up for the rights to Darko's dog. Make that Darko's dog's sheehit.

Remember the miles of threads showing us how great Denver was after the trade? How they were building for the future? How Karl's genius was finally going to show through? How Gallo was going to be everything at both ends that Melo never would be, in the playoffs and beyond?

Hello? It's the future gentlemen.

how is that working out for us now? we have better than spare parts and we suck...

according to you what stars do denver have? yet they won 57 games last year... they have won more games than us every year since the trade.. even right now, up to this point they are a game better and they don't even have gallo playing..

plus the picks, lord forbids we miss the playoffs and win the lottery..

this kind of talk is just foolish.. absolutely foolish.. carmelo is a waste of 20million dollars.. not money well spent... you guys can fool yourselves all you want..

the proof is in the pudding

3-7 and counting..

First round and out. Say that to yourself.
they won 57 games, but they're first...round...and...out.

I thought the regular season didn't matter? Remember that line of reasoning when everyone on here talks about 54 wins and winning the division?

Try a little consistency, tkf. It might help your coherence.

You'd rather be Utah <---this is sig worthy, dude. Seriously.

DENVER IS now .500 and not healthy

knicks are 3-9 and stink..

say that to yourself Jrod and find another hobby, you not good at this..

regular season matters to teams like Denver who are clearly trying to rebuild..

win now teams like the knicks.. 54 wins and then getting your brains blown out in the playoffs hurts.. no moral victories for these geezers...

jrod sounds like he is Dolan's wife--she may know a little more about basketball than him although that is not saying too much. J rod I second it--Id 100X rather be Utah than the Knicks. In fact Id bet 90% of savvy knick fans would rather be in uTahs position.

I dont like where the Knicks are, but I certainly wouldnt want to be in Utahs shoes either.

Put it this way Utah will likely control a top 3 pick pick25 and31 in this next franchise changing draft. I think they madea a mistake giving favors big money pre maturely but they have some very good young players and have cap space. A Fran hose player hand delivered on the draft and the ability to add 2 additional good players. Tell me how does this compare to what the k I ms have. You're a smart guy. U know once in awhile in the nba u have to accept heavy losing to improve. The knicks are in no mans land with no assets for 2 years unless a they are willing to trade ca who can simply decide to leave for no knick compensation

BRIGGS wrote:Carmelo is gonzo--listen to his comments. Think about this scenario--we win 29 games this year Carmelo walks and we are STILL over the cap. We watch a team pick a franchise player with our pick--and the unfortunate reality is that there is a high probability it happens. I guess they can market Amare as our star next year.

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Carmelo is gonzo--listen to his comments. Think about this scenario--we win 29 games this year Carmelo walks and we are STILL over the cap. We watch a team pick a franchise player with our pick--and the unfortunate reality is that there is a high probability it happens. I guess they can market Amare as our star next year.

I disagree about your predicted outcome and Melo but do you really think Amare is ever a star caliber player again?

Were 3-9 with a 1-6 record at home. When you start taking statistical probability into account--the odds of us winning more than 30 games is quite low. If it probability comes to pass-we give up a high pick. Then is Carmelo Anthony interested in staying here or playing with Kobe in the warm weather in LA. Carmelo is not a Knick at heart--he was traded here--he owes the Knicks nothing. Listen to Jim Behoeim--he believes that if the Knicks stink Carmelo is good as gone--don't you think he knows something?

"The problem for Carmelo right now, and Kevin Durant, whoever you're talking about, is they're only judged on rings," Jim Boeheim, Anthony's coach at Syracuse, said Thursday by phone. "That's it. Everything else is turned into a negative. I know Carmelo loves playing in New York, but the bottom line is it comes down to, 'Where do I have the best chance to win a ring?'"

Carmelo has zero chance ton win a championship here--in lA he has a reasonable shot.

Dude the knicks are like a game and a half out of first in the division lol. In other words, it's early, the season is full of runs both good and bad. It will be ok.

I honestly think you just don't get it man.... really..

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:I will say I really overrated the value of our package for Melo. I was wrong about that. We really did trade spare parts and low level picks.

TFK.. you always talk about what a tragedy it is to pay Melo $20mm a year plus, but the reality is $20mm a year is much better spent on Melo then a combined Gallo/Chandler/Mosgov.

That right there is the gist of it. You can stick spare parts around Melo.. guys like Toney Douglas, Landry Fields, Copeland, bla bla bla and you make the playoffs. Stick the same spare parts around Chandler/Gallo/Mosgov and they are a lottery team.

I dont love Melo here, we cant build this thing right to get the most out of his talent with this retarded owner so its pointless, but in terms of value? I once thought the Knicks got fleeced. We didnt. we made out just fine. Its the moves after we totally yacked up

+1
This. All day, everyday.

We read Melo blew up the team. We read over and over about Melo forcing to trade half the team away. What team?

It's wasted typing though. tkf would trade melo straight up for the rights to Darko's dog. Make that Darko's dog's sheehit.

Remember the miles of threads showing us how great Denver was after the trade? How they were building for the future? How Karl's genius was finally going to show through? How Gallo was going to be everything at both ends that Melo never would be, in the playoffs and beyond?

Hello? It's the future gentlemen.

how is that working out for us now? we have better than spare parts and we suck...

according to you what stars do denver have? yet they won 57 games last year... they have won more games than us every year since the trade.. even right now, up to this point they are a game better and they don't even have gallo playing..

plus the picks, lord forbids we miss the playoffs and win the lottery..

this kind of talk is just foolish.. absolutely foolish.. carmelo is a waste of 20million dollars.. not money well spent... you guys can fool yourselves all you want..

the proof is in the pudding

3-7 and counting..

First round and out. Say that to yourself.
they won 57 games, but they're first...round...and...out.

I thought the regular season didn't matter? Remember that line of reasoning when everyone on here talks about 54 wins and winning the division?

Try a little consistency, tkf. It might help your coherence.

You'd rather be Utah <---this is sig worthy, dude. Seriously.

DENVER IS now .500 and not healthy

knicks are 3-9 and stink..

say that to yourself Jrod and find another hobby, you not good at this..

regular season matters to teams like Denver who are clearly trying to rebuild..

win now teams like the knicks.. 54 wins and then getting your brains blown out in the playoffs hurts.. no moral victories for these geezers...

jrod sounds like he is Dolan's wife--she may know a little more about basketball than him although that is not saying too much. J rod I second it--Id 100X rather be Utah than the Knicks. In fact Id bet 90% of savvy knick fans would rather be in uTahs position.

I dont like where the Knicks are, but I certainly wouldnt want to be in Utahs shoes either.

why not? did you see all the picks they have? they have two in this upcoming draft, and guys like favors are only getting better.. they can be good soon, and fast.. as I said, you don't have to be bad in this league for long...

My man, i really cant take your posts serious when you talk about the lottery and then have that sig.

Utah has picks, so does the Cavs Bobcats and hawks...I dont envy any of them.

I'm not content with the Knicks, but that doesnt make me want other teams losing situations.

it goes to show my sig is way over your head.. my sig is for those teams who intentionally tank... like people in life who don't work hard and play lottery as their only means to financial security.... it is a losing mentality...

I am for those who work hard, and the harder you work, the luckier you tend to be... the jazz are not tanking, they are just not that good... the end.. but they have a ton of picks and some young talent, that is two things we just don't have..

my sig doesn't mean you just throw away lottery picks.... you still work hard and do your best.. some things you can't control..

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Carmelo is gonzo--listen to his comments. Think about this scenario--we win 29 games this year Carmelo walks and we are STILL over the cap. We watch a team pick a franchise player with our pick--and the unfortunate reality is that there is a high probability it happens. I guess they can market Amare as our star next year.

I disagree about your predicted outcome and Melo but do you really think Amare is ever a star caliber player again?

Were 3-9 with a 1-6 record at home. When you start taking statistical probability into account--the odds of us winning more than 30 games is quite low. If it probability comes to pass-we give up a high pick. Then is Carmelo Anthony interested in staying here or playing with Kobe in the warm weather in LA. Carmelo is not a Knick at heart--he was traded here--he owes the Knicks nothing. Listen to Jim Behoeim--he believes that if the Knicks stink Carmelo is good as gone--don't you think he knows something?

"The problem for Carmelo right now, and Kevin Durant, whoever you're talking about, is they're only judged on rings," Jim Boeheim, Anthony's coach at Syracuse, said Thursday by phone. "That's it. Everything else is turned into a negative. I know Carmelo loves playing in New York, but the bottom line is it comes down to, 'Where do I have the best chance to win a ring?'"

Carmelo has zero chance ton win a championship here--in lA he has a reasonable shot.

Dude the knicks are like a game and a half out of first in the division lol. In other words, it's early, the season is full of runs both good and bad. It will be ok.

Are you watching the games? Our division ineptitude is our hope--isnt that dreadful?

Dreadful yes. But it's a fact.

anyways...melo created a bidding war between bk and ny for his services guaranteeing the team that was the "winner" was going to leave their cupboard bare. so unlike many other "stars", his priority was getting to ny anyway he could along with the $$$'s. so the deal may have been made by dolan but melo played a big part.

if he walks, which he can, then he would replace lebron as the most hated player by knicks fans. it would be tough to turn down $30 mil tho but he could do it. knicks are so lucky the east is garbage, especially the atlantic. a sub .500 record may get the #4 seed. and you can't really trade him now unless it's to a team he will sign with next year. knicks are fubared.

BRIGGS wrote:

djsunyc wrote:only player i dislike more than melo is rudy gay. y'all want him too?

anyways...melo created a bidding war between bk and ny for his services guaranteeing the team that was the "winner" was going to leave their cupboard bare. so unlike many other "stars", his priority was getting to ny anyway he could along with the $$$'s. so the deal may have been made by dolan but melo played a big part.

if he walks, which he can, then he would replace lebron as the most hated player by knicks fans. it would be tough to turn down $30 mil tho but he could do it. knicks are so lucky the east is garbage, especially the atlantic. a sub .500 record may get the #4 seed. and you can't really trade him now unless it's to a team he will sign with next year. knicks are fubared.

You could trade him to a team that has a star--like Cleveland for Waiters and 3 numbers 1 picks.

but only if he says he'll re-sign there. and there ain't no way in hell he will.

anrst wrote:i keep misreading this thread as Carmelo SHOULD Abandon Ship

I've done a bunch of times too. He probably should, just not for LA...unless it's the Clippers WITH CP3 and Blake. He's got to be thinking about it. There's tons of time left in the season, but unless they magically win this year, there aren't many off season options that will make them a real contender in the league.