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11/14/2013  11:16 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Ha not happening

We can still dream right?

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11/14/2013  11:20 AM
Nah right now I'm just looking forward to Lin dropping 40 on the Knicks tonight while Dolan watches and Dolans team falls to 3-5 with another loss in his own building
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11/14/2013  11:21 AM
Knicks let Lin walk for nada? Foolish!
Owner James Dolan's quest to rid the Garden of Linsanity has backfired -- big time.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/9973841/new-york-knicks-were-fools-let-jeremy-lin-go-houston-rockets
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11/14/2013  11:25 AM
Funny wasn't the media the ones who were leading the charge of how you can't overpay for Lin and Felton gives you the same production or better with fewer turnovers?

I can't accept the revisionist history

The only 2 media members I have respect for is Ian O'conner and Ryan Lundberg. The rest either felt Felton was better or passively felt we would be ok with Felton and it wasn't a big deal

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11/14/2013  11:39 AM
Just realized that article WAS written by Ian. Good job by him
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11/14/2013  11:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/14/2013  11:51 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Funny wasn't the media the ones who were leading the charge of how you can't overpay for Lin and Felton gives you the same production or better with fewer turnovers?

I can't accept the revisionist history

The only 2 media members I have respect for is Ian O'conner and Ryan Lundberg. The rest either felt Felton was better or passively felt we would be ok with Felton and it wasn't a big deal

Yep, hilarious revisionist history! Nearly every media writer said we shouldn't match, Linsanity was a fluke, he wasn't worth the tax hit etc etc.

I think it's early days, this season. last season Felton was a great fit for us and Lin had a disappointing season- didn't regret not re-signing him. This season Felton has stunk and Lin has played great so now everyones running the "oh foolish decision" story. But its far too early in the season to make any conclusion. If Lin keeps playing the way he's been playing, Dolan will look even more of an idiot than usual. Can he keep playing the way he is though? I'm looking forward to finding out.

I wish Felton would start playing better though- a big big disappointment so far this season. (though doesn't he usually get off to slow starts?)

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11/14/2013  11:52 AM
The lack of patience for the development of young Knicks players starts with the owner and trickles down to the brainwashed media and fans
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11/14/2013  12:04 PM
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:


I wish Felton would start playing better though- a big big disappointment so far this season. (though doesn't he usually get off to slow starts?)

Isn't Felton still hurt(not 100%) ?

Every since he had the hamstring injury he hasn't been as quick like he was earlier in the season.

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11/14/2013  12:09 PM
gunsnewing wrote:The lack of patience for the development of young Knicks players starts with the owner and trickles down to the brainwashed media and fans

And to be fair, as much as people are blaming the Knicks over not developing players, fans are just as bad and short sighted- we have no patience for struggling players. Then we look back a few seasons later are lament us losing the players that we wanted gone at the time too!

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11/14/2013  12:10 PM
playa2 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:


I wish Felton would start playing better though- a big big disappointment so far this season. (though doesn't he usually get off to slow starts?)

Isn't Felton still hurt(not 100%) ?

Every since he had the hamstring injury he hasn't been as quick like he was earlier in the season.

did he hurt it in last year's playoffs? Cause his crap play is picking right up where he left off last year
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11/14/2013  12:13 PM
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:


I wish Felton would start playing better though- a big big disappointment so far this season. (though doesn't he usually get off to slow starts?)

Isn't Felton still hurt(not 100%) ?

Every since he had the hamstring injury he hasn't been as quick like he was earlier in the season.

did he hurt it in last year's playoffs? Cause his crap play is picking right up where he left off last year

He played well in the playoffs- he was scoring at will against the Pacers and Celtics at times. He stepped up (had a couple of poor games too though. He is hampered by the hamstring injury, though I think he usually gets off to slow starts too.

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11/14/2013  12:17 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:The lack of patience for the development of young Knicks players starts with the owner and trickles down to the brainwashed media and fans

And to be fair, as much as people are blaming the Knicks over not developing players, fans are just as bad and short sighted- we have no patience for struggling players. Then we look back a few seasons later are lament us losing the players that we wanted gone at the time too!

Exactly. Like the way fans and media overreacted to one game where Miami pressured the hell out of Lin instead of understanding the simple notion that you players need time. No young player is flawless not even Lebron when he came into the league

People are so used to the Knicks signing other people's ready made talent who are either castoffs or have declining skills that they don't know what it is to develop your own stars

It is what it is for as long as Dolan owns this team

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11/14/2013  12:20 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:The lack of patience for the development of young Knicks players starts with the owner and trickles down to the brainwashed media and fans

And to be fair, as much as people are blaming the Knicks over not developing players, fans are just as bad and short sighted- we have no patience for struggling players. Then we look back a few seasons later are lament us losing the players that we wanted gone at the time too!

Exactly. Like the way fans and media overreacted to one game where Miami pressured the hell out of Lin instead of understanding the simple notion that you players need time. No young player is flawless not even Lebron when he came into the league

People are so used to the Knicks signing other people's ready made talent who are either castoffs or have declining skills that they don't know what it is to develop your own stars

It is what it is for as long as Dolan owns this team

maybe we have the owner we deserve- maybe Dolan is the physical manifestation of all the worst parts of Knick fans!

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11/14/2013  12:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/14/2013  12:22 PM
smackeddog wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:


I wish Felton would start playing better though- a big big disappointment so far this season. (though doesn't he usually get off to slow starts?)

Isn't Felton still hurt(not 100%) ?

Every since he had the hamstring injury he hasn't been as quick like he was earlier in the season.

did he hurt it in last year's playoffs? Cause his crap play is picking right up where he left off last year

He played well in the playoffs- he was scoring at will against the Pacers and Celtics at times. He stepped up (had a couple of poor games too though. He is hampered by the hamstring injury, though I think he usually gets off to slow starts too.

Like JR Felton has hot and cold streaks. The fact we had to start a 36yr old pg to mask Felton's defficiencies as a floor leader puts us in a tough spot. Here we are today and we are still relying on Raymond Felton as the PG. I said we needed to upgrade PG in the off season but we don't have the assets to do so without trading a Shumpert which hurts us in other ways

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11/14/2013  12:23 PM
smackeddog wrote:
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:


I wish Felton would start playing better though- a big big disappointment so far this season. (though doesn't he usually get off to slow starts?)

Isn't Felton still hurt(not 100%) ?

Every since he had the hamstring injury he hasn't been as quick like he was earlier in the season.

did he hurt it in last year's playoffs? Cause his crap play is picking right up where he left off last year

He played well in the playoffs- he was scoring at will against the Pacers and Celtics at times. He stepped up (had a couple of poor games too though. He is hampered by the hamstring injury, though I think he usually gets off to slow starts too.

Somebody posted a picture of Felton along side some college player I believe he looked pretty fit coming into the season. You can't predict hammy injuries.

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11/14/2013  12:46 PM
I said it before and I'll say it again. The brand of basketball we played when Lin was here was the most exciting 25 games I witnessed as a fan in over 13 years. Selfless, everyone got involved, good ball movement, find the open man. It was beautiful.
Does it make Lin the savior? No. But he was a big part of it, and now we're stuck with boring, selfish ball.
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11/14/2013  12:58 PM
34 and 12 for Lin. Has Felton done that in his entire career?
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11/14/2013  1:29 PM
Panos wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again. The brand of basketball we played when Lin was here was the most exciting 25 games I witnessed as a fan in over 13 years. Selfless, everyone got involved, good ball movement, find the open man. It was beautiful.
Does it make Lin the savior? No. But he was a big part of it, and now we're stuck with boring, selfish ball.
guys like Jeffries and Landry Fields were stuffing the stat sheet everynight. Lin was a scorer but a true floor general. He pushes and passes or pushes and scores, but he's always pushing.
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11/14/2013  1:30 PM
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Again, where the hell was all this Jermy smarm [Jeremy love] last season, when our starting PG couldn't throw the ball in the ocean for two months [JKidd]. It's easier to pick on FatRay and Picasso than JKidd right? [Where was everyone saying JLin would be an upgrade over JKidd, as opposed to taking potshots at our resident ECurry Fatboy Stand-in [Ray Felton]

Can you translate that to English? I'm not trying to be obnoxious. I have no idea what you're asking.

And there's no such thing as too small a sample per se. Rather, it would be too small a sample to justify a specific conclusion. Unless you can put the two together, you're not making sense.

So when Melo flirted with a triple double a few games ago, what vague conclusion are we allowed to draw from that?

Here's the specific conclusion: Jlin is now better than anyone on the Knicks who've
1) managed to play more than 18 games in the uniform
2) managed to play in the playoffs in the uniform.
3) managed to play with injuries

And here: Ray's defense sux major donkeykong at most times (Not that JLin is some type of Glove re-incarnated) and Pablo would do well to adopt some of Ray's agressiveness on O.

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11/14/2013  1:33 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:jrod I dont participate in such silliness.
True or false:
Lin would be the best guard on our roster right now.
Lin would have resigned but Dolan and MSG totaly phucked it up

Yeah, come on Jrod. You can do better.

Yes, Bonn, you're right, I need to work on my knee jerk reactions to small sample sizes.

Again, where the hell was all this Jermy smarm last season, when our starting PG couldn't throw the ball in the ocean for two months. It's easier to pick on FatRay and Picasso than JKidd right?

Romantic - being outplayed by Patrick Beverly and Toney Freakin Douglas.
I wanted Lin back and it sucked that he's gone, but he made his choices and our idiot owner lived up to his personality. Move on boys.

In other, actually related news, Shump tries to make amends to the breathing little turd-god with 9 dimes.

There were a lot of posters here, myself included, that were pining for Lin. We just stopped mid-season because we wanted to concentrate on the Knicks and other posters asked us to stop mentioning Lin.

In regards with Lin being outplayed last year. I watched all Rocket games last year. He was not outplayed by Beverley or TD. Sampson did not like Lin and it showed. McHale I am not sure but he is a horrible coach and I think he listened to Sampson a lot.

Interesting. Now on top of actually being statistically better, it's the coach's fault too. You forgot the injury excuse, too.

Trust me, I understand that the pining never went away.

Pining for others is part and parcel of the whole Knicks sports fan mental negativity. From Crawfish to Ray to Gallo to Moz to Lee. It never ends.


The one thing that never goes away is your intolerance of any positive comments about former Knicks.

Lee is an allstar. Crawfish is a great sixth man for the Clips (if he's still there, I don't keep track).

What I don't understand is what will happen if Ray or Pablo or Beno has a sick game statistically, will we see the same adulation for one of our own?
Let me answer that for you: No.

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