IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The idea that some players don't need to rebound is beyond stupid (to use your language). If you're giving up 4 more rebounds than the average PF, that's gonna give the opponent 4 to 5 more PPG. Then when you take into account him being below average in steals and blocks, we're already at around -6. That would be a tough amount of ground to make up for on offense unless you're one of the top 5 or so players in the game.

yea he bargnani though,

bargs should be our starting sf this year, what does this do for the rpg

It doesn't help much since Melo would be at PF and Bargs probably can't guard SFs.

so he is a worthless player?

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The idea that some players don't need to rebound is beyond stupid (to use your language). If you're giving up 4 more rebounds than the average PF, that's gonna give the opponent 4 to 5 more PPG. Then when you take into account him being below average in steals and blocks, we're already at around -6. That would be a tough amount of ground to make up for on offense unless you're one of the top 5 or so players in the game.

yea he bargnani though,

bargs should be our starting sf this year, what does this do for the rpg

It doesn't help much since Melo would be at PF and Bargs probably can't guard SFs.

so he is a worthless player?

bargnani? he is not "worthless" but he is a negative-sum player.

making matters worse he does not fill a need, and if you want to say he does fill a need then that chronic knick issue of chemistry arises.

quote stats all you want but it isn't about the raw numbers it's about HOW he gets those numbers.

defense? lets not go there.

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The idea that some players don't need to rebound is beyond stupid (to use your language). If you're giving up 4 more rebounds than the average PF, that's gonna give the opponent 4 to 5 more PPG. Then when you take into account him being below average in steals and blocks, we're already at around -6. That would be a tough amount of ground to make up for on offense unless you're one of the top 5 or so players in the game.

yea he bargnani though,

bargs should be our starting sf this year, what does this do for the rpg

It doesn't help much since Melo would be at PF and Bargs probably can't guard SFs.

so he is a worthless player?

Pretty much. I might have given him the vet min as an FA since there's always the possibility of a player turning things around and he still has potential. But I wouldn't have given up any assets for him.

if they reach ECF this year, is he worthless or can we let him ride?

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The idea that some players don't need to rebound is beyond stupid (to use your language). If you're giving up 4 more rebounds than the average PF, that's gonna give the opponent 4 to 5 more PPG. Then when you take into account him being below average in steals and blocks, we're already at around -6. That would be a tough amount of ground to make up for on offense unless you're one of the top 5 or so players in the game.

yea he bargnani though,

bargs should be our starting sf this year, what does this do for the rpg

It doesn't help much since Melo would be at PF and Bargs probably can't guard SFs.

so he is a worthless player?

Pretty much. I might have given him the vet min as an FA since there's always the possibility of a player turning things around and he still has potential. But I wouldn't have given up any assets for him.

if they reach ECF this year, is he worthless or can we let him ride?

It would make more sense to judge his worth based on how he plays, not the team's record.

if he is worthless and the team goes deeper in the playoffs, can we still say he is worthless?

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:ou

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The idea that some players don't need to rebound is beyond stupid (to use your language). If you're giving up 4 more rebounds than the average PF, that's gonna give the opponent 4 to 5 more PPG. Then when you take into account him being below average in steals and blocks, we're already at around -6. That would be a tough amount of ground to make up for on offense unless you're one of the top 5 or so players in the game.

yea he bargnani though,

bargs should be our starting sf this year, what does this do for the rpg

It doesn't help much since Melo would be at PF and Bargs probably can't guard SFs.

so he is a worthless player?

Pretty much. I might have given him the vet min as an FA since there's always the possibility of a player turning things around and he still has potential. But I wouldn't have given up any assets for him.

if they reach ECF this year, is he worthless or can we let him ride?

It would make more sense to judge his worth based on how he plays, not the team's record.

if he is worthless and the team goes deeper in the playoffs, can we still say he is worthless?

Did you not understand my previous statement? Anyway, you're defining him as worthless in the question ("if he is worthless..."), so wouldn't the answer have to be yes? It's kind of like saying "If John is a male and everyone else in the room is a female, is John still a male?"

what i want to know is, because the stats are so bad on him, does bargnani belong in the nba? should he even be playing basketball? will he make this team worse than it is?

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:ou

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The idea that some players don't need to rebound is beyond stupid (to use your language). If you're giving up 4 more rebounds than the average PF, that's gonna give the opponent 4 to 5 more PPG. Then when you take into account him being below average in steals and blocks, we're already at around -6. That would be a tough amount of ground to make up for on offense unless you're one of the top 5 or so players in the game.

yea he bargnani though,

bargs should be our starting sf this year, what does this do for the rpg

It doesn't help much since Melo would be at PF and Bargs probably can't guard SFs.

so he is a worthless player?

Pretty much. I might have given him the vet min as an FA since there's always the possibility of a player turning things around and he still has potential. But I wouldn't have given up any assets for him.

if they reach ECF this year, is he worthless or can we let him ride?

It would make more sense to judge his worth based on how he plays, not the team's record.

if he is worthless and the team goes deeper in the playoffs, can we still say he is worthless?

Did you not understand my previous statement? Anyway, you're defining him as worthless in the question ("if he is worthless..."), so wouldn't the answer have to be yes? It's kind of like saying "If John is a male and everyone else in the room is a female, is John still a male?"

what i want to know is, because the stats are so bad on him, does bargnani belong in the nba? should he even be playing basketball? will he make this team worse than it is?

Well everyone's going to have their own answer. But to answer your questions, I'd say:
A) He at least belongs on a preseason roster
B) Yes, since he makes a lot of money. Even if you're not in the NBA, you can still make a lot of money.
C) If he plays anything like he has in the past, then he'll make the team much worse.

so if we look at the stats, how does novak compare to bargnani?

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:ou

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The idea that some players don't need to rebound is beyond stupid (to use your language). If you're giving up 4 more rebounds than the average PF, that's gonna give the opponent 4 to 5 more PPG. Then when you take into account him being below average in steals and blocks, we're already at around -6. That would be a tough amount of ground to make up for on offense unless you're one of the top 5 or so players in the game.

yea he bargnani though,

bargs should be our starting sf this year, what does this do for the rpg

It doesn't help much since Melo would be at PF and Bargs probably can't guard SFs.

so he is a worthless player?

Pretty much. I might have given him the vet min as an FA since there's always the possibility of a player turning things around and he still has potential. But I wouldn't have given up any assets for him.

if they reach ECF this year, is he worthless or can we let him ride?

It would make more sense to judge his worth based on how he plays, not the team's record.

if he is worthless and the team goes deeper in the playoffs, can we still say he is worthless?

Did you not understand my previous statement? Anyway, you're defining him as worthless in the question ("if he is worthless..."), so wouldn't the answer have to be yes? It's kind of like saying "If John is a male and everyone else in the room is a female, is John still a male?"

what i want to know is, because the stats are so bad on him, does bargnani belong in the nba? should he even be playing basketball? will he make this team worse than it is?

Well everyone's going to have their own answer. But to answer your questions, I'd say:
A) He at least belongs on a preseason roster
B) Yes, since he makes a lot of money. Even if you're not in the NBA, you can still make a lot of money.
C) If he plays anything like he has in the past, then he'll make the team much worse.

so if we look at the stats, how does novak compare to bargnani?

Nothing special but much better than Bargnani

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:ou

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The idea that some players don't need to rebound is beyond stupid (to use your language). If you're giving up 4 more rebounds than the average PF, that's gonna give the opponent 4 to 5 more PPG. Then when you take into account him being below average in steals and blocks, we're already at around -6. That would be a tough amount of ground to make up for on offense unless you're one of the top 5 or so players in the game.

yea he bargnani though,

bargs should be our starting sf this year, what does this do for the rpg

It doesn't help much since Melo would be at PF and Bargs probably can't guard SFs.

so he is a worthless player?

Pretty much. I might have given him the vet min as an FA since there's always the possibility of a player turning things around and he still has potential. But I wouldn't have given up any assets for him.

if they reach ECF this year, is he worthless or can we let him ride?

It would make more sense to judge his worth based on how he plays, not the team's record.

if he is worthless and the team goes deeper in the playoffs, can we still say he is worthless?

Did you not understand my previous statement? Anyway, you're defining him as worthless in the question ("if he is worthless..."), so wouldn't the answer have to be yes? It's kind of like saying "If John is a male and everyone else in the room is a female, is John still a male?"

what i want to know is, because the stats are so bad on him, does bargnani belong in the nba? should he even be playing basketball? will he make this team worse than it is?

Well everyone's going to have their own answer. But to answer your questions, I'd say:
A) He at least belongs on a preseason roster
B) Yes, since he makes a lot of money. Even if you're not in the NBA, you can still make a lot of money.
C) If he plays anything like he has in the past, then he'll make the team much worse.

so if we look at the stats, how does novak compare to bargnani?

Nothing special but much better than Bargnani

how can we win more games than last year if we added a player that's making us worse?

I don't think we will. I think we'll win about 5 to 10 less than last year

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The idea that some players don't need to rebound is beyond stupid (to use your language). If you're giving up 4 more rebounds than the average PF, that's gonna give the opponent 4 to 5 more PPG. Then when you take into account him being below average in steals and blocks, we're already at around -6. That would be a tough amount of ground to make up for on offense unless you're one of the top 5 or so players in the game.

While of course you would want rebounding. Rebounding basically leads to possessions which is the goal. Heat were the worst rebounding team in the NBA last yr, Spurs were the 20th. The average PF doesn't average 10rebs a game and Tyson is one of 8-9 centers in the NBA to average 10rebs or more. Then Bargs moves Carmelo back to SF and if Melo puts up his average 6 he would be a top 6 rebounding SF. Knicks were also 12th in defensive rebounding last season but were last in offensive rebounding. It really comes down to limiting turn overs and causing turnovers which seems more impactful which the Knicks did very well last season.

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:ou

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The idea that some players don't need to rebound is beyond stupid (to use your language). If you're giving up 4 more rebounds than the average PF, that's gonna give the opponent 4 to 5 more PPG. Then when you take into account him being below average in steals and blocks, we're already at around -6. That would be a tough amount of ground to make up for on offense unless you're one of the top 5 or so players in the game.

yea he bargnani though,

bargs should be our starting sf this year, what does this do for the rpg

It doesn't help much since Melo would be at PF and Bargs probably can't guard SFs.

so he is a worthless player?

Pretty much. I might have given him the vet min as an FA since there's always the possibility of a player turning things around and he still has potential. But I wouldn't have given up any assets for him.

if they reach ECF this year, is he worthless or can we let him ride?

It would make more sense to judge his worth based on how he plays, not the team's record.

if he is worthless and the team goes deeper in the playoffs, can we still say he is worthless?

Did you not understand my previous statement? Anyway, you're defining him as worthless in the question ("if he is worthless..."), so wouldn't the answer have to be yes? It's kind of like saying "If John is a male and everyone else in the room is a female, is John still a male?"

what i want to know is, because the stats are so bad on him, does bargnani belong in the nba? should he even be playing basketball? will he make this team worse than it is?

Well everyone's going to have their own answer. But to answer your questions, I'd say:
A) He at least belongs on a preseason roster
B) Yes, since he makes a lot of money. Even if you're not in the NBA, you can still make a lot of money.
C) If he plays anything like he has in the past, then he'll make the team much worse.

so if we look at the stats, how does novak compare to bargnani?

Nothing special but much better than Bargnani

how can we win more games than last year if we added a player that's making us worse?

I don't think we will. I think we'll win about 5 to 10 less than last year

what other things go into this result, other than bringing bargs in

is bargs the main reason we will win so few games?