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Knixkik
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tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Jmpasq wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:Jmpasq wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:tkf wrote:Knixkik wrote:ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up! We tried the draft route. Our lottery picks consisted of Sweetneu, frye, Galliani, and Jordan hill. 3 duds and 1 ok pick. sweetney is out of the league.. gallo is a future allstar starting on a 57 win team... Jordan hill was a rotation player for the lakers and frye for the suns... 3 duds? the only dud in this deal is the one making 20 mil shooting bricks for the knicks.. Overhyping gallo much? He's a good role player. The dud you referring to led the league in scoring. Good try though.
LOL... gotta hang onto that gift from durant..
guess what the dud also leads in... worst playoff record.... yikes... Been there 11 out of 11 years. Got us to the second round. I'm sure gallo's 15 pts 5 Rebs and 41% shooting would have got us much further. You can hate a player like Melo and love and player like gallo, but your opinions of them are pure comedy. Sorry man but with the Knicks winning a playoff series and the division, the nuggets flopping, gallo the same player he's been for 4 years, and Melos huge year, you should stop why you're not too much further behind. I know, I know the Knicks are going nowhere and the nuggets are a title contender, gallo an allstar, and every team building thru the draft right now a contender within 3 years. Sounds good. I dunno would have loved to see where walsh was taking that team, maybe he trades gallo in a deal for a real star, maybe we add a real star in free agency.. who knows.. what I do know is that gallo was part of a fun Nugget team that won 57 games in the west... His career is far from being written. instead we are saddled with a physically breaking down hump who makes 20 mil a year and is a playoff loser.. you are just delusional about carmelo bro... I will take this one step further for you since you keep wanting to pull the gallo card.. I had no problem with the knicks to trading gallo for a REAL star.. so now you can't keep riding that horse... try another argument.. make carmelo stand on his own.. you can't.. you know why, his ugly history speaks for itself... if you are ok with sending the knicks into the abyss to get this clown, then have at it... I want more.. it's sad you have to go at gallo to try to defend carmelo.. ok, lets do this.. gallo sucks, chandler sucks, the picks in the future will suck.. NOW... man up MAKE Carmelo stand on his own..... I know you won't and can't..... My guess is Walsh signs Steve Nash to a 3 or 4 year deal at 15 per and the Knicks have 2 broken down players making huge money instead of 1. That is the most logical conclusion where the money would go by the way. Dantoni is still here and the Knicks were hot for Nash.
At least we would be able to build through the draft though because we would be picking in the lottery for sure with Galo,Amare and Nash all injured or just finished.This would be are likely starting lineup , Probably would of upgraded the Center spot with a mid level exception Center here Starting because we would be capped out at this point with this roster. OJ Mayo probably is on the team 2 as Walsh was always hot for him. Mozgov Amare Galo Shumpert Nash or maybe Amare Galo W CHandler Shumpert Nash I love how u have no problem praising Walsh And his less then stellar picks and talk about building through the draft when the guy gave away basically 2 1st rounders so a team would take Jared Jeffries. Those assets dont matter for some reason with your thinking. Only the assets in the Melo trade are to be scrutinized to death.
I get it the opportunity to sign the best FA in 20 years was there but we DIDN'T GET HIM so we pissed away those assets and then Walsh because of those give away trades compounded the problem panicked & signed Amare. That move for some reason deserves praise. Walsh convinced Dolan to rip it down but his Basketball decisions weren't good. The only move that worked out that I didnt like at the time was drafting Shumpert. Had he drafted better maybe the Knicks dont need to trade for Melo or dont give up as many players because we have guys the Nuggets would want.28-26 that team was with Amare playing out of his mind they werent 37-18.
Yes this is exactly how our team would have likely looked. and you know this how? LOL but you know what.. i much rather have a team with nash having the ball in his hand.. our picks and cap space than the 43% ball hog shooting playoff loser.. and BTW isn't shumpert a future Superstar according to you guys? the next paul george... so if that is the case, that lineup is GOLD!!! can't have it both ways fellas...
That team would have no cap space either. Galo 10 mil , Nash 15 mil, Amare 20, would eat up 45 million dollars. I dont know who your talking about but I dont think Shumpert is a Superstar at all. I said he could be a Top 10 SG if everything works out perfectly hardly a Superstar you are assuming gallo gets 10 mil from the knicks, maybe he gives hometown discount, or maybe we trade him in a deal for a real franchise talent.. the key is options... better options... but either way, I would roll with nash, gallo, shumpert and amare, then we could amnesty amare since we wouldn't have chandler in your scenario.. again, win-win for me... then we still would have had curry's expiring deal, AR, picks to make other moves with... I can roll with that.... damn this just makes me sad thinking about it... You build you argument on having options, which is fine, but just understand the likelihood of trading Gallo for another star, or signing another star, or whatever was always slim to none. Look at players on the open market the past couple of seasons who changed teams. The likely scenario was our core is similar to how it is today except with Gallo and W Chandler in place of Melo and T Chandler. Was there a chance for someone else, sure, but as long as you realize a package built around our assets was not netting Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, James Harden etc. It only got Melo because of the situation he put Denver in, otherwise he was headed to NJ or GS long before. But if you believe we are a better team today with Gallo and W Chandler instead of Melo and T Chandler then that is your right. Just understand any scenario beyond that was possible, but extremely unlikely. You really should decide if you want to remain a Knicks fan over the next 5-7 years because Melo will likely be with the team and rooting against a player and hoping he fails the team to prove a point isn't very fun. your argument is based on, if we keep gallo, we suck, and we can't trade him in a deal for a star because, well, he sucks... LOL.. the fact is, that gallo has value, he is the starting SF on a 57 win team, his best years are ahead of him, i would have been happy to keep him, chandler, amare, our picks, shumpert, the cap space from curry, Ar and the amnesty... yes, I like those options a lot!!!!! My argument has nothing to do with my view on Gallo, i am basing it on the view of him around the league at that time. He was a good player, with good but questionable upside, due for a new contract. This guy wasn't a 2nd year player on a rookie contract. Teams viewed Derrick Favors as a much better prospect, and if they wanted to pay a player they were willing to take Brook Lopez. Look back at previous articles from that time, Gallo just didn't have a lot of value. And if you think we had so many options, then name a possibility of what we would have looked like beyond Amare, Gallo, W Chandler, Fields, Shumpert, and maybe Nash for example. Like i said, of all of the big names that came up during free agency and via trade, we had no chance at any of them. If you think our package was landing Dwight, Paul, Harden, etc, you just aren't being realistic. I would say Igoudala was the best player available that could realistically be had for that package, but he got traded for Bynum, so i can't even say that. |
