CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:Sometimes its just ok to not read some posts because its redundant.

TKF will usually back things up with a statistical slant but tries.

NYMental does take anything that does not sniff with postive vibes and go off.

My take is the "UK" is not "all things positive". Its a fan site but not a "praise only" site. Maybe Nickelodian can make a page for those who don't like to hear some things.

Y'all can argue it all or just let the season unfold into the truth that it will be.

Sometimes its just ok to chill, watch the games and enjoy.

Y'all know where I stand. the Somber and Haters feel like the Starphuchs defend too much to justify the Moobyistic fever. The Starphuched don't want negativity because it does not fit in with the fables told.

It all gets sorted out on the court.

What we know: Knicks have a real nice record and the potential to finish top 4, but can easily slip to 6-7th..
We are not deep at the Point. I doubt Kidd can sustain starter minutes and Priggy has a ceiling. No young point to step up.

To get Stat to start we need Camby and Sheed.

Jr is inconsistant and its why he is here and inexpensive. Amare and melo are showing they can co-exist but small sample and have not been tested yet. We just don't know. Fables depicting hope or the past regressions remind the Sombe4 how fragile it all is.

Argue all you want boys, or just watch the games and see it unfold!

personally I have no problem with a negative statement but, it does get to me that after a good win, you can come here and not see a single positive mention which, was the case most of yesterday morning. It doesn't/didn't piss me off but, it does bother me.

the problem isnt actualy negativity, its perceived negativity. Anything that is not a circle jerk over Melo's greatness is obviously anti-Knick hating of fans who would rather see the Knicks lose then succeed with Melo.

This topic is ubiquitous on this forum and all discussions end in this or start with it.

for me, the joy of watching this team will come when carmelo and a few others on this team are gone.. hopefully it is soon....

I understand that you don't care for Melo but how can you not be enjoying this season? Sorry my man but you are not a Knicks fan if you're not enjoying what's going on this season.

Exactly. I myself personally happen to find it quite hilarious/amusing too. TKF has posted with nothing but negativity since day one of the offseason. With an agenda too (which makes his posting even worse). 45 games into the regular season and we're currently 30-15 overall. (15 games above .500). What makes this down right hilarious, amusing and/or pathetic is that the team in which TKF loved (oh so much) with the likes of Gallo, Wilson Chandler, Mozgov, Anthony Randolph and Eddy Curry were only 24-21 45 games into the regular season. But yet, he's not able to enjoy our current success? His real joy will come when the likes of Carmelo and a few others are gone? That's really nice to know.

We're currently watching potential Knicks history. And Melo's without question leading the way as our greatest Knick since Ewing and/or our franchise leader.

As a fan base we've only seen our franchise win our Atlantic Division 4 times. 1971, 1989, 1993 and 1994. Dating back to 1970-1971 we've only won our Atlantic Division once every 10.5 years. Winning our Atlantic Division is something in which we've only witnessed two times during Ewing's era and/or haven't won since 1994 (18 years).

As a fan base we've only seen our franchise head into the postseason as a #1/#2 seed 4 times. 1970-1971, 1988-1989, 1992-1993 and 1993-1994. And only two times (1970-1971 and 1992-1993) have we been the #1 seed of the Eastern Conference heading into postseason play.

But yet 45 games into the regular season and we're 3.0 games ahead of Brooklyn for our Atlantic Division? While being less than a 1/2 game behind the Miami Heat for the #1 seed? During only Melo's first full season as a Knick? And TKF hasn't been able to enjoy our current season and also want's Melo gone sooner rather than later? Absolutely hilarious.

Maybe the likes of TKF (and a few others) haven't taken note over the years, but dating back to 2001-2002 we finished as the 13th, 10th, 7th, 12th, 15th, 12th, 14th, 14th, 11th, 6th and 7th seeds of the Eastern Conference. An average of being the 11th seed over the past 11 years. Now we have posters such as TKF who can't enjoy our current season and/or appreciate the greatest overall Knick since Ewing in Melo? How quickly some fans forget...

In closing we're now 27-11 during games in which Melo has not only played but also led the way. 27-11 as Melo has ranked 2nd amongst all NBA players in points scored per game. I've not only enjoyed the ways that Melo has not only played out of position due to team injuries but also led our Knicks team into postseason contention despite the fact that we've (as a team) suffered key injury after key injury.

27-11 during games in which Melo has played. If you can't enjoy that, you can't enjoy Knicks basketball.

tkf wrote:i find it almost useless to talk about any other aspect of this team... simple because you will get a few posters who honestly care about discussing other aspects of this team outside of carmelo and his quest for MVP and bringing peace and balance to the universe.... I like amare, but if I talk about him, then you will get those who feel I am now hyping him up to put down carmelo.. for me, the joy of watching this team will come when carmelo and a few others on this team are gone.. hopefully it is soon....

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:i find it almost useless to talk about any other aspect of this team... simple because you will get a few posters who honestly care about discussing other aspects of this team outside of carmelo and his quest for MVP and bringing peace and balance to the universe.... I like amare, but if I talk about him, then you will get those who feel I am now hyping him up to put down carmelo.. for me, the joy of watching this team will come when carmelo and a few others on this team are gone.. hopefully it is soon....

Why post on a forum for a team you dont enjoy watching? Im asking this question seriously cause I dont understand.

Well to be fair to tkf he does make some good points. I am a diehard fan and i am enjoying this season but i do agree that it is ok to be critical of certain aspects of the knicks because we want them to be corrected and we want them to win a title. There are a few that get defensive if there is even a little criticism

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:i find it almost useless to talk about any other aspect of this team... simple because you will get a few posters who honestly care about discussing other aspects of this team outside of carmelo and his quest for MVP and bringing peace and balance to the universe.... I like amare, but if I talk about him, then you will get those who feel I am now hyping him up to put down carmelo.. for me, the joy of watching this team will come when carmelo and a few others on this team are gone.. hopefully it is soon....

Why post on a forum for a team you dont enjoy watching? Im asking this question seriously cause I dont understand.

Well to be fair to tkf he does make some good points. I am a diehard fan and i am enjoying this season but i do agree that it is ok to be critical of certain aspects of the knicks because we want them to be corrected and we want them to win a title. There are a few that get defensive if there is even a little criticism

Being critical of certain aspects of the team and flat out saying you cant enjoy watching them until Carmelo and a few others are gone are completely different things.

But it is his opinion. Learn to accept/ignore

gunsnewing wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:i find it almost useless to talk about any other aspect of this team... simple because you will get a few posters who honestly care about discussing other aspects of this team outside of carmelo and his quest for MVP and bringing peace and balance to the universe.... I like amare, but if I talk about him, then you will get those who feel I am now hyping him up to put down carmelo.. for me, the joy of watching this team will come when carmelo and a few others on this team are gone.. hopefully it is soon....

Why post on a forum for a team you dont enjoy watching? Im asking this question seriously cause I dont understand.

Well to be fair to tkf he does make some good points. I am a diehard fan and i am enjoying this season but i do agree that it is ok to be critical of certain aspects of the knicks because we want them to be corrected and we want them to win a title. There are a few that get defensive if there is even a little criticism

Being critical of certain aspects of the team and flat out saying you cant enjoy watching them until Carmelo and a few others are gone are completely different things.

But it is his opinion. Learn to accept/ignore

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:Sometimes its just ok to not read some posts because its redundant.

TKF will usually back things up with a statistical slant but tries.

NYMental does take anything that does not sniff with postive vibes and go off.

My take is the "UK" is not "all things positive". Its a fan site but not a "praise only" site. Maybe Nickelodian can make a page for those who don't like to hear some things.

Y'all can argue it all or just let the season unfold into the truth that it will be.

Sometimes its just ok to chill, watch the games and enjoy.

Y'all know where I stand. the Somber and Haters feel like the Starphuchs defend too much to justify the Moobyistic fever. The Starphuched don't want negativity because it does not fit in with the fables told.

It all gets sorted out on the court.

What we know: Knicks have a real nice record and the potential to finish top 4, but can easily slip to 6-7th..
We are not deep at the Point. I doubt Kidd can sustain starter minutes and Priggy has a ceiling. No young point to step up.

To get Stat to start we need Camby and Sheed.

Jr is inconsistant and its why he is here and inexpensive. Amare and melo are showing they can co-exist but small sample and have not been tested yet. We just don't know. Fables depicting hope or the past regressions remind the Sombe4 how fragile it all is.

Argue all you want boys, or just watch the games and see it unfold!

personally I have no problem with a negative statement but, it does get to me that after a good win, you can come here and not see a single positive mention which, was the case most of yesterday morning. It doesn't/didn't piss me off but, it does bother me.

the problem isnt actualy negativity, its perceived negativity. Anything that is not a circle jerk over Melo's greatness is obviously anti-Knick hating of fans who would rather see the Knicks lose then succeed with Melo.

This topic is ubiquitous on this forum and all discussions end in this or start with it.

i find it almost useless to talk about any other aspect of this team... simple because you will get a few posters who honestly care about discussing other aspects of this team outside of carmelo and his quest for MVP and bringing peace and balance to the universe.... I like amare, but if I talk about him, then you will get those who feel I am now hyping him up to put down carmelo.. for me, the joy of watching this team will come when carmelo and a few others on this team are gone.. hopefully it is soon....

I understand that you don't care for Melo but how can you not be enjoying this season? Sorry my man but you are not a Knicks fan if you're not enjoying what's going on this season.

the team would be far more enjoyable if they played with the type of defensive intensity and ball movement every game, two attributes that will be required if the knicks plan to go far into the playoffs.

the only regular-season games that should be taken as a measure of the knicks is against the other top 10 teams in the league. how we fare against

spurs-- we seem to do well against them
miami-- we seem to match up well against them so lets hope they don't have an on switch defensively
grizzlies-- good defense and good low post play gives us trouble
indiana-- good defense in spite of erratic low post play is a problem for us
chicago-- we don't seem to match up well against them-- good defense
atlanta-- underrated defensively and this game was an aberration-- a question mark
warriors-- big question mark
okc-- big question mark
clippers-- big question mark
nuggets-- underrated team. a ridiculous 15 out of their first 21 games were on the road

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:Sometimes its just ok to not read some posts because its redundant.

TKF will usually back things up with a statistical slant but tries.

NYMental does take anything that does not sniff with postive vibes and go off.

My take is the "UK" is not "all things positive". Its a fan site but not a "praise only" site. Maybe Nickelodian can make a page for those who don't like to hear some things.

Y'all can argue it all or just let the season unfold into the truth that it will be.

Sometimes its just ok to chill, watch the games and enjoy.

Y'all know where I stand. the Somber and Haters feel like the Starphuchs defend too much to justify the Moobyistic fever. The Starphuched don't want negativity because it does not fit in with the fables told.

It all gets sorted out on the court.

What we know: Knicks have a real nice record and the potential to finish top 4, but can easily slip to 6-7th..
We are not deep at the Point. I doubt Kidd can sustain starter minutes and Priggy has a ceiling. No young point to step up.

To get Stat to start we need Camby and Sheed.

Jr is inconsistant and its why he is here and inexpensive. Amare and melo are showing they can co-exist but small sample and have not been tested yet. We just don't know. Fables depicting hope or the past regressions remind the Sombe4 how fragile it all is.

Argue all you want boys, or just watch the games and see it unfold!

personally I have no problem with a negative statement but, it does get to me that after a good win, you can come here and not see a single positive mention which, was the case most of yesterday morning. It doesn't/didn't piss me off but, it does bother me.

the problem isnt actualy negativity, its perceived negativity. Anything that is not a circle jerk over Melo's greatness is obviously anti-Knick hating of fans who would rather see the Knicks lose then succeed with Melo.

This topic is ubiquitous on this forum and all discussions end in this or start with it.

i find it almost useless to talk about any other aspect of this team... simple because you will get a few posters who honestly care about discussing other aspects of this team outside of carmelo and his quest for MVP and bringing peace and balance to the universe.... I like amare, but if I talk about him, then you will get those who feel I am now hyping him up to put down carmelo.. for me, the joy of watching this team will come when carmelo and a few others on this team are gone.. hopefully it is soon....

I understand that you don't care for Melo but how can you not be enjoying this season? Sorry my man but you are not a Knicks fan if you're not enjoying what's going on this season.

the team would be far more enjoyable if they played with the type of defensive intensity and ball movement every game, two attributes that will be required if the knicks plan to go far into the playoffs.0

the only regular-season games that should be taken as a measure of the knicks is against the other top 10 teams in the league. how we fare against

spurs-- we seem to do well against them
miami-- we seem to match up well against them so lets hope they don't have an on switch defensively
grizzlies-- good defense and good low post play gives us trouble
indiana-- good defense in spite of erratic low post play is a problem for us
chicago-- we don't seem to match up well against them-- good defense
atlanta-- underrated defensively and this game was an aberration-- a question mark
warriors-- big question mark
okc-- big question mark
clippers-- big question mark
nuggets-- underrated team. a ridiculous 15 out of their first 21 games were on the road

The Knicks aren't perfect and there will be games where they have lapses. However, they may have the best record in the east after today and their coach maybe coaching the all stars. The question was, are you enjoying what is going on this season?

when there is ball movement and defensive intensity you bet i do. when there isn't i sure don't. the team is too inconsistent so far.

Too inconsistent?

No mention of how the Knicks are 8th in scoring at 101.0 points per game while ranking first in offensive turnovers committed per game with only 11.5 turnovers per game? Excellent control of the basketball as a team. We make the fewest offensive mistakes of any team in the league. No mention that we're ranked 5th only behind MIA, SAS, OKC and HOU in regards to 'Adjusted FG%'? No mention on how we rank 5th in point differential only behind SAS, OKC, LAC and MIA? As a team we're ranked 5th in regards to TS% (true shooting percentage) and also ranked 3rd in Offensive Efficiency only behind OKC and Miami.

NYKMentality wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:Sometimes its just ok to not read some posts because its redundant.

TKF will usually back things up with a statistical slant but tries.

NYMental does take anything that does not sniff with postive vibes and go off.

My take is the "UK" is not "all things positive". Its a fan site but not a "praise only" site. Maybe Nickelodian can make a page for those who don't like to hear some things.

Y'all can argue it all or just let the season unfold into the truth that it will be.

Sometimes its just ok to chill, watch the games and enjoy.

Y'all know where I stand. the Somber and Haters feel like the Starphuchs defend too much to justify the Moobyistic fever. The Starphuched don't want negativity because it does not fit in with the fables told.

It all gets sorted out on the court.

What we know: Knicks have a real nice record and the potential to finish top 4, but can easily slip to 6-7th..
We are not deep at the Point. I doubt Kidd can sustain starter minutes and Priggy has a ceiling. No young point to step up.

To get Stat to start we need Camby and Sheed.

Jr is inconsistant and its why he is here and inexpensive. Amare and melo are showing they can co-exist but small sample and have not been tested yet. We just don't know. Fables depicting hope or the past regressions remind the Sombe4 how fragile it all is.

Argue all you want boys, or just watch the games and see it unfold!

personally I have no problem with a negative statement but, it does get to me that after a good win, you can come here and not see a single positive mention which, was the case most of yesterday morning. It doesn't/didn't piss me off but, it does bother me.

the problem isnt actualy negativity, its perceived negativity. Anything that is not a circle jerk over Melo's greatness is obviously anti-Knick hating of fans who would rather see the Knicks lose then succeed with Melo.

This topic is ubiquitous on this forum and all discussions end in this or start with it.

i find it almost useless to talk about any other aspect of this team... simple because you will get a few posters who honestly care about discussing other aspects of this team outside of carmelo and his quest for MVP and bringing peace and balance to the universe.... I like amare, but if I talk about him, then you will get those who feel I am now hyping him up to put down carmelo.. for me, the joy of watching this team will come when carmelo and a few others on this team are gone.. hopefully it is soon....

I understand that you don't care for Melo but how can you not be enjoying this season? Sorry my man but you are not a Knicks fan if you're not enjoying what's going on this season.

the team would be far more enjoyable if they played with the type of defensive intensity and ball movement every game, two attributes that will be required if the knicks plan to go far into the playoffs.0

the only regular-season games that should be taken as a measure of the knicks is against the other top 10 teams in the league. how we fare against

spurs-- we seem to do well against them
miami-- we seem to match up well against them so lets hope they don't have an on switch defensively
grizzlies-- good defense and good low post play gives us trouble
indiana-- good defense in spite of erratic low post play is a problem for us
chicago-- we don't seem to match up well against them-- good defense
atlanta-- underrated defensively and this game was an aberration-- a question mark
warriors-- big question mark
okc-- big question mark
clippers-- big question mark
nuggets-- underrated team. a ridiculous 15 out of their first 21 games were on the road

The Knicks aren't perfect and there will be games where they have lapses. However, they may have the best record in the east after today and their coach maybe coaching the all stars. The question was, are you enjoying what is going on this season?

when there is ball movement and defensive intensity you bet i do. when there isn't i sure don't. the team is too inconsistent so far.

Too inconsistent?

No mention of how the Knicks are 8th in scoring at 101.0 points per game while ranking first in offensive turnovers committed per game with only 11.5 turnovers per game? Excellent control of the basketball as a team. We make the fewest offensive mistakes of any team in the league. No mention that we're ranked 5th only behind MIA, SAS, OKC and HOU in regards to 'Adjusted FG%'? No mention on how we rank 5th in point differential only behind SAS, OKC, LAC and MIA? As a team we're ranked 5th in regards to TS% (true shooting percentage) and also ranked 3rd in Offensive Efficiency only behind OKC and Miami.

when i see good ball movement and defensive intensity on a consistent basis then i will deem them consistent. your post does not address this in any way. the heat, spurs, and thunder have a history of playoff success so the stats back you up. we can add the clippers if you wish since they had some recent playoff success. the knicks have no playoff history success so lumping them in with these other teams is a mistake.